McD will be the scapegoat to hide the real issue this week

[Haslett_Stomp]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

i was told it is new turf than the previous years + injuries was.

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2023/09/14/detroit-lions-nfl-grass-ford-field-aaron-rodgers-turf-debate/70852624007/

changed prior to the '23 season.

 

if the injury concern is there than it should be that the Lions play with such high intensity and so hard that they are injuring themselves as much as anyone else. they have a  back, kirby jospeh, who goes low with his head down who's hurt a lot of people this year. there was a player interviewed back a while ago and another after the Lawrence hit that had said that if a QB runs on them they're coached to hit him as if he was a runner. they're going to try to hurt QB17.

 

I agree with the bolded text.  I hadn't see Detroit play all season until watching last Thursday's game against the Packers, where their defense played excessively dirty.  They are a bunch of punks.

[Eastport bills]

57 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

that game was over when Rams got to 44.   even if we go the low percentage route and try to  throw for the TD (for 42 points) and succeed (for the 1st time all season) , 3 time outs would not stop the Rams from getting a first down if they really needed one, (based on the D's inability to stop anything) and they kneel out the clock just as easily. 

 

 game was over at Rams with 44 points.  

 

All this bashing McD for calling the timeout is a bunch of whiny BS .  Grow up fanbase.  Move on. 

 

go bills. 

I posted Sean was not solely responsible for the loss, but as much as you want to gloss of his obliviousness just play out the other choice. With three timeouts if Josh clocks it or throws quickly into the end zone we can force a punt with 50 seconds left. I’m not saying we could’ve stopped them from getting a 1st down but they wouldn’t have thrown the ball until 3rd down and there was a chance to stop a 3rd and medium play. The other way you saw what happened. Every coach worth a damn doesn’t call that timeout.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

47 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I absolutely believe McD and Babich could have and should have prepared a better defensive game plan and called a better game.

 

But I also  believe that our roster isn't extremely talented on either side of the ball.   We have Josh and to quote McVay, "Josh is an alien."  We have some nice players beyond Josh but every team has nice players, including the Rams despite their record. 

 

The Bills aren't 10-3 despite McD.   They're 10-3 because of McD - and Josh.  Take those two away and this is a sub .500 team.    

Second half adjustments were pretty good imo which is why I haven’t lost full hope…probably should’ve started the game that way and maybe next time we will. Should be interesting to see the Detroit game 
 

the rams still made plays but they went from routine to incredible/low percentage plays in the second half 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

I posted Sean was not solely responsible for the loss, but as much as you want to gloss of his obliviousness just play out the other choice. With three timeouts if Josh clocks it or throws quickly into the end zone we can force a punt with 50 seconds left. I’m not saying we could’ve stopped them from getting a 1st down but they wouldn’t have thrown the ball until 3rd down and there was a chance to stop a 3rd and medium play. The other way you saw what happened. Every coach worth a damn doesn’t call that timeout.

A team that’s scared enough of the opposing offense to roll the dice on that 4th and 5 is very likely opening the full playbook on every play of that final game sealing drive to win it with their offense.  I’m not gonna fault people for being worried that that sneak decision could mean something boneheaded could happen in an actual game on the line situation obviously, but I don’t think in this particular game that it was super consequential 

I don’t even hate the sneak call given how high percentage it has been over Josh’s career but if it got stopped you have to know to line up right away and sneak it again without a timeout..  I think they probably got nervous a second sneak would get stuffed too and second guessed it in the moment. 

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

that game was over when Rams got to 44.   even if we go the low percentage route and try to  throw for the TD (for 42 points) and succeed (for the 1st time all season) , 3 time outs would not stop the Rams from getting a first down if they really needed one, (based on the D's inability to stop anything) and they kneel out the clock just as easily. 

 

 game was over at Rams with 44 points.  

 

All this bashing McD for calling the timeout is a bunch of whiny BS .  Grow up fanbase.  Move on. 

 

go bills. 

Their chances were miniscule even with a TO. Plus many extra seconds were going to tick down getting everyone off the pile and spotting the ball. They needed a stop and should have had a false start on LAR to make it a tougher conversion at that. The game was effectively over there. 

[Kirby Jackson]

He’s is the real issue and has been. He’s made way more crucial errors that have cost games than he has shrewd decisions that have stolen games.
 

That being said, I had no issue with accepting the penalty. The Rams were going otherwise. Backing them up was the only way to potentially force a punt. They were never kicking a FG to go up 6.

 

The 1st down sneak is way less forgivable. I was screaming at the TV before they lined up. You HAD to throw 4 times from there. The only chance was to preserve 3 TOs and hope to kick a long FG at the buzzer. That was him not understanding the situation.

[JimmyNoodles]

59 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I absolutely believe McD and Babich could have and should have prepared a better defensive game plan and called a better game.

 

But I also  believe that our roster isn't extremely talented on either side of the ball.   We have Josh and to quote McVay, "Josh is an alien."  We have some nice players beyond Josh but every team has nice players, including the Rams despite their record. 

 

The Bills aren't 10-3 despite McD.   They're 10-3 because of McD - and Josh.  Take those two away and this is a sub .500 team.    

Josh is the team, but that’s the same with any great player at QB.  I disagree about the offense. The offense can control games. I agree 100% on the defense.  Only a handful of players are good on that side. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Maybe it’s good that McD feels the heat a little bit heading into the final 4 games and the playoffs.  Hopefully the embarrassment of yesterday will fuel him and the rest of the defense to step up going forward.  Get that bad taste out of the mouth and take it out on our opponents moving forward.  Lions will be a real tough first test.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

 I think the rams averaged Les than 4 yards per carry. Bigger issue was total lack of pass rush and defensive scheme. Stafford is  below average qb when pressured and is much better playing vs zone. Where was Rousseau and any DE or DT today? Certainly not near Stafford. One thing Phillips can do is rush the QB and we sit him. One thing Elam can do is play man and we sit him. And we stubbornly play zone on around 80% of plays. Plain stupid decisions and coaching 

I looked this up, on first watch I thought the Rams RBs got into the second level easily in the first half, and then the Bills tightened in the 2nd half.

 

First Half

 

-3, 3, 1, 7, 12, 4, 3, 2, 11, 7, 6, 0, 2, 0, 7, -1, 10, -1, 4, 1

 

20 carries, 81 yards in the first to Rams RBs. 4.05 ypc. 

 

Puka had 5, 9, 4 and a TD. 

 

 

Second Half

 

0, 1, 3, 4, 7, 4, 2, 5, 0, 0, 6, 0, 5, 2, 2, 4 

 

16 carries, 45 yards (2.81 ypc). 

 

Puka had 1, -3 

 

 

42 carries to get 137 yards at 3.3 ypc. 

 

Conclusion is Puka Nucua and Cooper Kupp destroyed the Bills defense. 

17-252-2 in the air (79% of Stafford's 320 passing). 

 

 

 

I too thought it was worse against the run that it actually was. Because they could convert so easily on 3rd down they could afford ineffective runs and just soak time of possession. 

 

 

 

[PayDaBill$]

Scapegoat?  FORTY FOUR POINTS!

 

He oversees all coaches. Special teams was a fail.  MCD / DC defensive schemes are not aggressive enough, you can’t let teams move the ball at will and hope for a single play to bail you out.  Watching teams move the ball on us drives me crazy!

 

Rams haven’t played this well all season. Rams HC took McClappy and his defensive scheme to the woodshed.

Edited December 9 by PayDaBill$

[Wags67]

16 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Fans are already piling on McD for his end of game decisions (accepting the penalty with 5 minutes left and the TO after the sneak).  I think there is fair criticism to both plays, however those two decisions are NOT why we lost the game. 

 

Defense today:

11-15 on third down conversions (was 11-12 with about 5 minutes left in the game

1-1 on fourth down

0 sacks

38:30 time of possession for the Rams

457 total yards allowed

 

The game wasn't lost in the last 5 minutes, it was the poor playcalling by Babich and execution in the first 55 that really hurt us.

And a blocked punt for a TD against our ST...unexuseable!  

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

A team that’s scared enough of the opposing offense to roll the dice on that 4th and 5 is very likely opening the full playbook on every play of that final game sealing drive to win it with their offense.  I’m not gonna fault people for being worried that that sneak decision could mean something boneheaded could happen in an actual game on the line situation obviously, but I don’t think in this particular game that it was super consequential 

I don’t even hate the sneak call given how high percentage it has been over Josh’s career but if it got stopped you have to know to line up right away and sneak it again without a timeout..  I think they probably got nervous a second sneak would get stuffed too and second guessed it in the moment. 

 

Agree.  Our chances of winning at that time were pretty low.  I think McD and Brady thought/hoped the initial sneak would work.  If it did, we'd have a chance.  They probably didn't think too deeply through the possibility of it not working.  

[CircleTheWagons99]

Sorry but McD is the problem. If not for Josh he would not have made it this far. He is a def coach, 8 years building this def, and it's always the Def that loses the game for the Bills. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I looked this up, on first watch I thought the Rams RBs got into the second level easily in the first half, and then the Bills tightened in the 2nd half.

 

First Half

 

-3, 3, 1, 7, 12, 4, 3, 2, 11, 7, 6, 0, 2, 0, 7, -1, 10, -1, 4, 1

 

20 carries, 81 yards in the first to Rams RBs. 4.05 ypc. 

 

Puka had 5, 9, 4 and a TD. 

 

 

Second Half

 

0, 1, 3, 4, 7, 4, 2, 5, 0, 0, 6, 0, 5, 2, 2, 4 

 

16 carries, 45 yards (2.81 ypc). 

 

Puka had 1, -3 

 

 

42 carries to get 137 yards at 3.3 ypc. 

 

Conclusion is Puka Nucua and Cooper Kupp destroyed the Bills defense. 

17-252-2 in the air (79% of Stafford's 320 passing). 

 

 

 

I too thought it was worse against the run that it actually was. Because they could convert so easily on 3rd down they could afford ineffective runs and just soak time of possession. 

 

 

 

That last paragraph is exactly how we beat the chiefs and also why I don’t think the chiefs could afford to go super run heavy against us in the playoff rematch

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Sorry but McD is the problem. If not for Josh he would not have made it this far. He is a def coach, 8 years building this def, and it's always the Def that loses the game for the Bills. 

I’d give him this playoffs at least…embarrassing wildcard loss maybe move on this season, anything further than that give him one more chance at a deep playoff run. Injuries have been an issue in the playoffs on the defensive side but this season seems to be shaping up to not have that excuse 

 

defensive coaches definitely get got sometimes, we humiliated belichick in the playoffs who’s defense was quite good that year. Offensive coaches get got sometimes, mcvay got absolutely pantsed in that first Super Bowl appearance.  

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’d give him this playoffs at least…embarrassing wildcard loss maybe move on this season, anything further than that give him one more chance at a deep playoff run.

 

defensive coaches definitely get got sometimes, we humiliated belichick in the playoffs who’s defense was quite good that year. Offensive coaches get got sometimes, mcvay got absolutely pantsed in that first Super Bowl appearance.  

Key word is sometimes. But I agree, I'll give him till the EOS but not too excited anymore.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Key word is sometimes. But I agree, I'll give him till the EOS but not too excited anymore.  

regular season I feel like no matter how good the coach is there’s gonna be a few of those shootout games.  The sample size is just too big for that to not happen. 
 

Id like to see a playoff run where we’re not missing 2-3 of our best defenders before rolling the dice on someone new it’s lookin like this will probably be that year

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DrDawkinstein]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

"McD's horrible in-game decisions will be the scapegoat to hide the real problem: McD's soft defense!"

 

lol

 

I was bored waiting for my burritos...

 

[Dillenger4]

 We ran into a good offensive team. Puka, Cupp, Stafford and pretty good O line. Our D was outmatched! Plain and simple. I posted this last week while most were discussing the upcoming Lions game. I said the Rams are tough and our D needed to step it up for this game. They didn't even come close.

The Lions will also torch us. Our D.. once again... played like a swiss cheese bunch of lamoids.