An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[Billl]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Here's how I see it - the defense gave us like a 10% chance to win. The coaching at the end gave us a 0% chance to win. It's worth discussing both, especially in the context of those two issues being the main reasons our season ends early year after year.

The Bills’ win probability went from 9.5% to 8% after that play.  The timeout barely impacted the game at all.  Even if they’d run up to the line and spiked the ball or snuck it in rather than calling a timeout, they were still going to need either an onside kick or a defensive stop followed by a 40+ yard drive and a made FG with about 25 seconds on the clock and no timeouts.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Year 8 for McDermott now - and against the Texans we’re throwing from the 3 yard line, he says after the game we should have ran it.

 

Today he’s saying they should have preserved the timeouts and thrown the ball at the goal line.

 

Last year he plays for OT against the Eagles.

 

12-men on the field against the Broncos. 
 

We all know the big one. 
 

I do think you have to look at Allen’s career, now in Year 7 and say if he’s hypothetically 1/2-way through it now does it warrant a chance with an offensive coach? 
 

McDermott has had several years with his guys in the coaching room and the players that fit his scheme. So much

so that Micah, Jordan, Jefferson are all coming back to the team. 
 

I think it’s fair to ask the question. 
 

Allen will be 29 next year. 
 

He stays at this level until when? 

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Year 8 for McDermott now - and against the Texans we’re throwing from the 3 yard line, he says after the game we should have ran it.

 

Today he’s saying they should have preserved the timeouts and thrown the ball at the goal line.

 

Last year he plays for OT against the Eagles.

 

12-men on the field against the Broncos. 
 

We all know the big one. 
 

I do think you have to look at Allen’s career, now in Year 7 and say if he’s hypothetically 1/2-way through it now does it warrant a chance with an offensive coach? 
 

McDermott has had several years with his guys in the coaching room and the players that fit his scheme. So much

so that Micah, Jordan, Jefferson are all coming back to the team. 
 

I think it’s fair to ask the question. 
 

Allen will be 29 next year. 
 

He stays at this level until when? 

You pointed out 5 mistakes in 110 games.  Sound like my ex wife.

 

Texans game,  I prefer them throwing over trying to run the ball.

Last night, they ran the QB sneak and didn't get it (that's on the offensive Co for not telling them to either hurry up and run it again or spike it, not HC)

12-men on the field for Broncos, special teams (Smiley who has turned Bass into an erratic kicker and the coverage unit into a yardage machine)

The big one, Smiley again on the sideline calling the play.

 

And we can go back to last night again, we needed a blocked punt.  Smiley had 9 players on the field and didn't even tell the return man to try to do something.  How do you have your returner call a fair catch with 6 seconds left in the game?

 

Edited December 10 by The Wiz

[ProcessTruster]

41 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If I had a dollar for every time I've read this sentence. 🤣

well, I guess then we could always go back to Marrone and EJ and skip this entire McD / Allen 5-peat nonsense; hey I hear Rex Ryan is looking to get back in.. and Tyrod is still out there... 

[GaryPinC]

In his pressor, McDermott felt we didn't run the ball enough.  He went with the sneak because it was their most effective play statistically.

 

It was apparent by the second quarter that we couldn't run on the Rams but pass protection was very good and importantly they didn't dedicate a spy for Allen.  This was an open invitation for old Josh and we shouldn't have waited into the second half to unleash this.  McDermott seems to have missed that.

He decided to go with the sneak at the end knowing our Oline was ineffective the entire game on the ground.  Ok, but why the hell didn't he lead with the tush push on first down instead of second?

 

McDermott needs to stop hiding behind analytics and his system and be a more dynamic head coach.  Sometimes you have to adapt to the realities of the moment.

[Savage]

10 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

well, I guess then we could always go back to Marrone and EJ and skip this entire McD / Allen 5-peat nonsense; hey I hear Rex Ryan is looking to get back in.. and Tyrod is still out there... 

after a while, just being good isn’t good enough.

 

JA17 won’t always be the player he is now.

 

sometimes you just need to say F it and take a chance.

 

I’ve said it many times, in many threads, this edition of the Buffalo Bills will never win a SB with McD as HC.

 

[ganesh]

9 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

In his pressor, McDermott felt we didn't run the ball enough.  He went with the sneak because it was their most effective play statistically.

 

It was apparent by the second quarter that we couldn't run on the Rams but pass protection was very good and importantly they didn't dedicate a spy for Allen.  This was an open invitation for old Josh and we shouldn't have waited into the second half to unleash this.  McDermott seems to have missed that.

He decided to go with the sneak at the end knowing our Oline was ineffective the entire game on the ground.  Ok, but why the hell didn't he lead with the tush push on first down instead of second?

 

McDermott needs to stop hiding behind analytics and his system and be a more dynamic head coach.  Sometimes you have to adapt to the realities of the moment.

They could have also tried to pass the ball there and if there was a lane for Josh, he would have walked in.  I think that was a far more effective play the whole day than trying to out muscle at the line of scrimmage.

[BillsFan130]

23 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

In his pressor, McDermott felt we didn't run the ball enough.  He went with the sneak because it was their most effective play statistically.

 

It was apparent by the second quarter that we couldn't run on the Rams but pass protection was very good and importantly they didn't dedicate a spy for Allen.  This was an open invitation for old Josh and we shouldn't have waited into the second half to unleash this.  McDermott seems to have missed that.

He decided to go with the sneak at the end knowing our Oline was ineffective the entire game on the ground.  Ok, but why the hell didn't he lead with the tush push on first down instead of second?

 

McDermott needs to stop hiding behind analytics and his system and be a more dynamic head coach.  Sometimes you have to adapt to the realities of the moment.

They score 42 points and his concern is that they didn't run the ball enough😂 

[FireChans]

51 minutes ago, Billl said:

The Bills’ win probability went from 9.5% to 8% after that play.  The timeout barely impacted the game at all.  Even if they’d run up to the line and spiked the ball or snuck it in rather than calling a timeout, they were still going to need either an onside kick or a defensive stop followed by a 40+ yard drive and a made FG with about 25 seconds on the clock and no timeouts.

This is 100%, WRONG.

 

If you force a 3 and out with all 3 TO's, you would have maybe 40-45 seconds, not 25.

 

Anyone know if a great QB has ever gotten a FG to win a game with 40 seconds left?

Edited December 10 by FireChans

[DaVinci]

Mcdermott said today "we are going to learn from this"

[Sojourner]

Just now, DaVinci said:

Mcdermott said today "we are going to learn from this"

JFC 

🤦‍♂️

 

I would prefer something along the lines of pure transparency: “the defense was unacceptable and embarrassing”

 

 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, DaVinci said:

Mcdermott said today "we are going to learn from this"

Haha his go to line. Can't wait to see more soft zone and poor game management in the playoffs. 

[Billl]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

This is 100%, WRONG.

 

If you force a 3 and out with all 3 TO's, you would have maybe 40-45 seconds, not 25.

 

Anyone know if a great QB has ever gotten a FG to win a game with 40 seconds left?

How do you figure?  Buffalo called a timeout.  That saved them about 12 seconds.  The Rams got the ball with 59 seconds on the clock.  If the Bills hadn’t called timeout, that would have been about 47 seconds.  They ran 3 plays and used 12 seconds.  You’re down to 35.  Then they punted which burned the final 6 seconds and would have taken a few more.  So that’s about 27 seconds with no timeouts.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Haha his go to line. Can't wait to see more soft zone and poor game management in the playoffs. 

Cuz McDermotts coaching cost us a coin flip in 13 seconds game and he made Bass miss the FG last year? Yes. McDermott gets some blame but I can't blame him for everything.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

How do you figure?  Buffalo called a timeout.  That saved them about 12 seconds.  The Rams got the ball with 59 seconds on the clock.  If the Bills hadn’t called timeout, that would have been about 47 seconds.  They ran 3 plays and used 12 seconds.  You’re down to 35.  Then they punted which burned the final 6 seconds and would have taken a few more.  So that’s about 27 seconds with no timeouts.

Instead they punted the ball and we never touched it again.

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Cuz McDermotts coaching cost us a coin flip in 13 seconds game and he made Bass miss the FG last year? Yes. McDermott gets some blame but I can't blame him for everything.

Is this serious? Do we really have to re visit how the bills got into overtime in the 13 seconds game?

[oldmanfan]

Does anyone here honestly, truly believe what you’re saying?  That somehow we score on the very first play from the one yard line?  And that the Rams then somehow fail to convert a first down when they get the ball back?  Despite their offense absolutely dominating the defense the entire game?  And that then if that miracle occurs we somehow gain what we need in a short period of time, get the FG team on and kick a winner? 
 

How many people honestly believe that all would have happened?  I don’t.  I think it would have taken two downs to score.  And there’s not the slightest doubt in my mind they close it out with a first down.  Would I have taken the TO?  No.  But ultimately our chances were extraordinarily remote either way.

[GaryPinC]

31 minutes ago, ganesh said:

They could have also tried to pass the ball there and if there was a lane for Josh, he would have walked in.  I think that was a far more effective play the whole day than trying to out muscle at the line of scrimmage.

I was cutting him a break because of his analytics but he certainly could have.  He could have faked the sneak/push and either bootlegged or hit a releasing TE on first down.  It's just the lack of creativity.  

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Does anyone here honestly, truly believe what you’re saying?  That somehow we score on the very first play from the one yard line?  And that the Rams then somehow fail to convert a first down when they get the ball back?  Despite their offense absolutely dominating the defense the entire game?  And that then if that miracle occurs we somehow gain what we need in a short period of time, get the FG team on and kick a winner? 
 

How many people honestly believe that all would have happened?  I don’t.  I think it would have taken two downs to score.  And there’s not the slightest doubt in my mind they close it out with a first down.  Would I have taken the TO?  No.  But ultimately our chances were extraordinarily remote either way.

Do you understand the difference between it likely not happening and guaranteeing it can't happen?

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Is this serious? Do we really have to re visit how the bills got into overtime in the 13 seconds game?

Point being if Bills win coin flip things may have ended differently.