An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

you know we had stopped them on literally the drive right before that right? The drive they punted?

 

literally, no one in this entire thread said they would run the ball three times and then punt. Not a single poster

You said McVay would have been conservative.  Define conservative 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Did you think the horrendous penalty accept and then playing prevent to put them in almost exactly the same position and take time off the clock was smart? Was using the timeout so the only way we could get the ball back was an onside kick an intelligent decision? Was having 9 men on the field on the last play just a stroke of genius that we just can't comprehend? 

Was this all just a complete masterclass in coaching that should be the model that the rest of the coaches in the league strive to one day reach?

 

Totally untrue. Keeping. your timeouts there is something that even newbie Madden players know. 

 

Also, let's say some of the fans remained unaware....does that all of a sudden not make it a blunder? The mental gymnastics some of you play to try to deflect from McD is unreal. 

 

If you actually look at most of the posts, the people that are ragging on McD are making football points. The people that are deflecting are throwing personal shade at those people, not actually talking about what happened. Probably because you know there is no defense for it. 

He failed yesterday.  He’s failed in the past and he will continue to fail.

 

but you said he’s the “THE WORST COACH IN THE LEAGUE”. 
 

he’s not even close to that- but that’s how you feel-  thanks for filtering yourself out 

[Xwnyer]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

They gave them one more down not two. It would have been 4th and 7, Instead it became 3rd and 16, then with the pass completed went to 4th and 5.  Likely whether it was 4th and 7 or 4th and 5, Rams still would have went for it.  Admittedly they did lose time, believe the rule in last 5 minutes, even if you decline penalty, clock does not restart?

 

On the attempted run play at goal line, what surprised me was no one was in the backfield too push Allen forward.  I assumed they were faking the sneak and Allen was maybe going to roll out and if he had a clear path run it in, else, pass it to someone sneaking out behind them in the end zone.

but on 4th and 7 they might ick FG and than all we need is the TD to win.  I think it was wrong decision.

[Einstein]

42 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You said McVay would have been conservative.  Define conservative 

I believe they would have opted for safe plays. Short safe throws, runs, etc. 

They were in almost the same exact situation about a month ago. Up by one score, got the ball with 2 minutes (and change) left and needed a score to put the game away.

What did the Rams and McVay do? A few safe passes, short non-risky pass, then punted.  This isn't guess work - its what they ACTUALLY DID.

 

And they're not alone. Most teams do the same thing in that situation because they want to avoid any chance of a turnover that would destroy all odds of them winning.

[Livinginthepast]

55 minutes ago, DC Greg said:

Perfectly said. When games get crazy at the end, McD becomes a deer in headlights. He is not

prepared for high pressure situations and doesn’t know how to prepare his team for those moments. He displays it time after time. Good coach when things are going well/normal, but at the end of high stakes tense games, the moment has consistently proven too big for him.

As crazy as it sounds McD needs a strategy consultant for these high pressure situations up in the booth. I guess he has a officiating one already? but he needs a calm voice in his ear to save him from himself!

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Einstein said:

I believe they would have opted for safe plays. Short safe throws, runs, etc. 

They were in almost the same exact situation about a month ago. Up by one score, got the ball with 2 minutes (and change) left and needed a score to put the game away.

What did the Rams and McVay do? A few safe passes, short non-risky pass, then punted.  This isn't guess work - its what they ACTUALLY DID.

 

And they're not alone. Most teams do the same thing in that situation because they want to avoid any chance of a turnover that would destroy all odds of them winning.

And would have gotten the first down because their passing game shredded us all day.  Or they could have run the jet sweep that killed us all day.  Any number of plays.  If the decision in this particular game was between recovering an onside kick or stopping them from getting a first down, my money was on the inside kick.  It was clear except for one series we had no clue how to deal with their offense.

 

Should that TO been called?  No.  Did it ultimately matter?  No.  
 

You want to get on coaching get on them staying most of the game with 4 guys rushing with zone coverage behind.  They got killed all day in that defense.  And the 4 down linemen did little, saw very few stunts, etc.  Near as I can tell all our DEs  do is rush straight into opposing tackles.

[blitzboy54]

16 hours ago, Process said:

1. Declining the penalty on 3rd and 7 was clearly the correct move YOU NEED A TD TD WIN NO MATTER WHAT. Would have been 4th and 7 vs 4th and 5. Would they have kicked the FG with 7 yards needed instead of 5? Who knows., but the decision was wrong regardless. 

 

and somehow this next one is  10000x worse. 

 

2. You can not, under any circumstance. call a TO after the  QB sneak. Sneaking it is dumb, but if you are going to do it you tell the guys if they stop it you hurry up, spend 10 seconds getting back to the line, and run it again. The second Sean called TO the game was over. 

 

 

I don't know how everyone keeps missing this but it wasn't 4th and 7. It was 4th and maybe 2. Stafford ran for nearly a first down. Had we declined the penalty he keeps the rushing yards. Everyone assumes it was 4th and 7 because that was the original line of scrimmage. It was either 3rd and 17 or 4th and 2. This was the math. 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And would have gotten the first down because their passing game shredded us all day.  

 

You mean like the previous drive where we stopped them and they had to punt?
 

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Or they could have run the jet sweep that killed us all day.  

You mean like two drives before that when we stuffed their final jet sweep attempt and then they never tried it again?
 

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Did it ultimately matter?  No.  

 

And this is the disconnect between us.

You feel that if the end result may have been the same, it doesn't matter.

But thats not true.

You always want to give your team the BEST CHANCE POSSIBLE - even if the result may be the same. 

We stopped them on 9% of their third downs. An onside kick has a 3% probability. 

Kicking off and keeping the TO gives us a 3x better chance. It's still a low chance, but its a BETTER chance. And thats the point you keep ignoring.

[DD4Bills]

2 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

 

I don't know how everyone keeps missing this but it wasn't 4th and 7. It was 4th and maybe 2. Stafford ran for nearly a first down. Had we declined the penalty he keeps the rushing yards. Everyone assumes it was 4th and 7 because that was the original line of scrimmage. It was either 3rd and 17 or 4th and 2. This was the math. 

Check the play-by-play. It was 3rd and 7 from the 37 yeard line, and Stafford gained 1 yard to the 36, so would have been 4th and 6 had they declined the penalty.

[Sweats]

This game was lost long before the last 1 minute of the game........in fact, i'd wager to say we probably lost it in the 1st quarter when we couldn't stop anyone and let Stafford be our daddy.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You mean like the previous drive where we stopped them and they had to punt?
 

You mean like two drives before that when we stuffed their final jet sweep attempt and then they never tried it again?
 

And this is the disconnect between us.

You feel that if the end result may have been the same, it doesn't matter.

But thats not true.

You always want to give your team the BEST CHANCE POSSIBLE - even if the result may be the same. 

We stopped them on 9% of their third downs. An onside kick has a 3% probability. 

Kicking off and keeping the TO gives us a 3x better chance. It's still a low chance, but its a BETTER chance. And thats the point you keep ignoring.

I don’t ignore it.  I think your 9% is flawed.  There is no question in my mind they get the first down.  

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

I don't know how everyone keeps missing this but it wasn't 4th and 7. It was 4th and maybe 2. Stafford ran for nearly a first down. Had we declined the penalty he keeps the rushing yards. 

No offense intended but your confused. Stafford scrambled for 0 yards on that run. He literally got nocked out of bounds at the LOS. He was no where near a first down. It would have been 4th and 7.

[Process]

7 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

 

I don't know how everyone keeps missing this but it wasn't 4th and 7. It was 4th and maybe 2. Stafford ran for nearly a first down. Had we declined the penalty he keeps the rushing yards. Everyone assumes it was 4th and 7 because that was the original line of scrimmage. It was either 3rd and 17 or 4th and 2. This was the math. 

 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, DD4Bills said:

Check the play-by-play. It was 3rd and 7 from the 37 yeard line, and Stafford gained 1 yard to the 36, so would have been 4th and 6 had they declined the penalty.

It wasnt even 1 yard. The play-by-play online makrs it as 1 yard, but he was actually knocked out of bounds at the LOS. It would have been 4th and 7.

[Mango]

My quick $0.02 on this is that the call was a Brady gaffe and not a McD gaffe. The only fail safe was for Allen to spike the ball. Once the unit went out there there they either had to run it or spike it. A time out was the same result. With the way Allen was playing overall, he was confident he could get the ball in himself. 

McD's presser about that play was him falling on the sword for the staff. 

[From Roc to Ky bills fan]

16 hours ago, Success said:

Accepting the penalty on the Rams drive.

 

Then, calling TIME OUT.  Could have rushed to the line there & still been able to stop the clock.  That ended the game.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

The whole game was a disaster, after they went down the field on their first drive, exposing our defense , we should never have punted for the rest of the game 

[Billsatlastin2018]

29 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

 

I don't know how everyone keeps missing this but it wasn't 4th and 7. It was 4th and maybe 2. Stafford ran for nearly a first down. Had we declined the penalty he keeps the rushing yards. Everyone assumes it was 4th and 7 because that was the original line of scrimmage. It was either 3rd and 17 or 4th and 2. This was the math. 

It absolutely was NOT!

 

I don’t know why you didn’t know the math- before posting wrongly!

[Livinginthepast]

17 minutes ago, Mango said:

My quick $0.02 on this is that the call was a Brady gaffe and not a McD gaffe. The only fail safe was for Allen to spike the ball. Once the unit went out there there they either had to run it or spike it. A time out was the same result. With the way Allen was playing overall, he was confident he could get the ball in himself. 

McD's presser about that play was him falling on the sword for the staff. 

Maybe Brady made the sneak call, which wasnt that bad a call if Josh got in right away or even if he didnt there was a quick followup spike or play. But there wasnt which is completely unacceptable. Its McD's responsibility to make sure that a 2nd or 3rd play is scripted if the sneak is stopped and of course its McD's fault that the TO was called. Also all completely unacceptable at a pro level.

[CapeBreton]

17 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Good learning experience but this game really doesn't matter. Starters are going down to injury, is it worth it for seeding?

 

McDermott has so many learning experiences, he keeps doing one stupid thing after another. 

[starrymessenger]

Bills can win a championship with Josh Allen. But can they win one with McD?