An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[TH3]

14 hours ago, Success said:

Accepting the penalty on the Rams drive.

 

Then, calling TIME OUT.  Could have rushed to the line there & still been able to stop the clock.  That ended the game.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

feel better?

[Einstein]

Just now, Governor said:

Thinking we could kick it deep, use timeouts and get a stop, was laughable at that point. I think I agree with you. It was not considered an option.

 

Then that’s idiotic of the coaching staff.

 

You 100% kick it deep and play defense.z It would not have been a normal drive by the Rams. They would do what every team in that situation does - they would run the ball twice and then throw on 3rd and long.

 

And because teams play those drives so conservatively, there is a decent chance we get a stop. I know they had converted all day, but anyone who has watched football for a long time know that those type of series often go to the defense because of how conservatively they’re called (to avoid a turnover) and the pressure.

 

Even if it’s only an 8% chance we stop them, it’s a lot better than the 3% chance we convert the onside kick.

[WhiskyBreath]

14 hours ago, Process said:

1. Declining the penalty on 3rd and 7 was clearly the correct move YOU NEED A TD TD WIN NO MATTER WHAT. Would have been 4th and 7 vs 4th and 5. Would they have kicked the FG with 7 yards needed instead of 5? Who knows., but the decision was wrong regardless. 

 

and somehow this next one is  10000x worse. 

 

2. You can not, under any circumstance. call a TO after the  QB sneak. Sneaking it is dumb, but if you are going to do it you tell the guys if they stop it you hurry up, spend 10 seconds getting back to the line, and run it again. The second Sean called TO the game was over. 

 

Agree with both, but the first was a head-scratcher because we were not able to stop them throughout the game, so why would you trust our defense to discover what they have been doing wrong for the first 57 minutes and suddenly fix it in the last few minutes?  What insight did we have to make that decision?

 

Conversely, they had not been able to stop us either.  So, take the 3 point and the ball.  In a game like this, the last person with the ball wins, just about every time.

 

[oldmanfan]

50 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Sure, but then they played prevent to put them right back in the same spot, they literally just gave them the completion with no resistance. And that took even more time off the clock. 

 

And this is McD's defense. It all falls on him no matter how much some of you try to deflect it. 

Yes, I was calling for them to switch up defenses all day.  But how about putting the blame on some players, particularly the D line that got blown off the ball all day long?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Not making sure that we return that last punt was so dumb too

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Then that’s idiotic of the coaching staff.

 

You 100% kick it deep and play defense.z It would not have been a normal drive by the Rams. They would do what every team in that situation does - they would run the ball twice and then throw on 3rd and long.

 

And because teams play those drives so conservatively, there is a decent chance we get a stop. I know they had converted all day, but anyone who has watched football for a long time know that those type of series often go to the defense because of how conservatively they’re called (to avoid a turnover) and the pressure.

 

Even if it’s only an 8% chance we stop them, it’s a lot better than the 3% chance we convert the onside kick.

To think McVay would have played conservatively when he knew that: 1.  one first down wins the game, and 2.  they torched the Bills all day long in the passing game, is absurd in my opinion.  

Edited December 9 by oldmanfan

[Governor]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Then that’s idiotic of the coaching staff.

 

You 100% kick it deep and play defense.z It would not have been a normal drive by the Rams. They would do what every team in that situation does - they would run the ball twice and then throw on 3rd and long.

 

And because teams play those drives so conservatively, there is a decent chance we get a stop. I know they had converted all day, but anyone who has watched football for a long time know that those type of series often go to the defense because of how conservatively they’re called (to avoid a turnover) and the pressure.

 

Even if it’s only an 8% chance we stop them, it’s a lot better than the 3% chance we convert the onside kick.

The difference there is not worth mentioning and certainly not why we lost the game. The game was over. Lol

 

Now the other situation I initially felt we should’ve declined it but after seeing that it did essentially take them out of FG range (maybe) I was ok with that one. A coin flip basically and we would never know how much time off the clock we lost by that decision since it didn’t look like they were kicking a FG anyway.

Edited December 9 by Governor

[Billsatlastin2018]

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Then that’s idiotic of the coaching staff.

 

You 100% kick it deep and play defense.z It would not have been a normal drive by the Rams. They would do what every team in that situation does - they would run the ball twice and then throw on 3rd and long.

 

And because teams play those drives so conservatively, there is a decent chance we get a stop. I know they had converted all day, but anyone who has watched football for a long time know that those type of series often go to the defense because of how conservatively they’re called (to avoid a turnover) and the pressure.

 

Even if it’s only an 8% chance we stop them, it’s a lot better than the 3% chance we convert the onside kick.

100%! The game was OVER once you called that TO. That’s a decision for Losers! 
 

For those who are McClapper who made that decision or any defender here,there’s a famous question…

 

https://youtu.be/kF-uHaKVW10?si=no3VtGIATNCRnnY2

 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

100%! The game was OVER once you called that TO. That’s a decision for Losers! 
 

For those who are McClapper who made that decision or any defender here,there’s a famous question…

 

https://youtu.be/kF-uHaKVW10?si=no3VtGIATNCRnnY2

 

No it wasn't.  You hope to get an onside kick.  Do you honestly, truly believe that McVay would have just ran the ball 3 times knowing he needed one first down and knowing they killed us with Nakua all day long?  Come on.  The chances of winning were single digits no matter what.  This game was lost because the D stunk the entire day.

Edited December 9 by oldmanfan

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

The difference there is not worth mentioning

 

A 3x increase in chance of converting is actually worth mentioning

 

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

 

 

and certainly not why we lost the game. The game was over. Lol

 

 

No, the game wasn’t over.

 

Thousands of teams have won games in that same situation. One stop and you get the ball back. That’s the entire reason why coaches covet all 3 timeouts.

[Livinginthepast]

The most excruciating thing about 13 seconds was the lack of planned series of plays right after we scored the TD. No plan for the KO, No plan for the defense on 1st down or 2nd down. But this lack of foresight in critical situations has been a repeated flaw in McD and his team ever since in several games. This year its been Houston and LA where its reared its ugly head. I dont understand why its so hard to have a coherent plan drilled into whatever coaches or players are involved in the play and a short series of plays ready in whatever late game situation on offense and defense. I dont know why this has not been practiced? Yesterday under no circumstances should the TO have been called after the failed sneak, just abject stupidity. McD, Brady and Allen should have all been clear on this. A 2nd down play should have also been called or just a spike it call. But if that wasnt enough, there was no plan on the punt by LA at the end. Was the punt block on? or a trick play return? Instead we got 9 men on the field, with no rush and then a returnable kick that the returner Codrington let go into the endzone with no attempted return. Which turned an already dumb situation into a situation of pure stupidity.

[Jauronimo]

I simply cannot muster the energy to give a ***** about end of game clock management in a game where our defense allowed 45 points.

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

To think McVay would have played conservatively when he knew that: 1.  one first down wins the game, and 2.  they torched the Bills all day long in the passing game, is absurd in my opinion.  

 

You’re an oldmanfan - you should have seen thousands of examples of teams doing just that over the years. In fact, I can show you examples of McVay doing that if you’d like.

 

But let’s pretend that he goes against all NFL conventional wisdom, and comes out and becomes aggressive, throwing the ball 3 times. First, that could lead to the Bills getting the ball back with tons of time AND three timeouts. Secondly, there is an increased chance of INT. Thirdly, it STILL gives us a higher percentage chance of winning. Why? We stopped them on 9% of third downs. That is 3x the rate of a successful onside.

 

There’s no universe we are kicking and anti-kick is the better choice than kicking off and playing defense. with the kick, you have a 3% chance of converting. And only one shot of doing so. kicking off and you likely 3 chances at them throwing a bad ball, fumbling, dropping a pass, etc.

 

Mathematically, kicking off is the right play.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

You’re an oldmanfan - you should have seen thousands of examples of teams doing just that over the years. In fact, I can show you examples of McVay doing that if you’d like.

 

But let’s pretend that he goes against all NFL conventional wisdom, and comes out and becomes aggressive, throwing the ball 3 times. First, that could lead to the Bills getting the ball back with tons of time AND three timeouts. Secondly, there is an increased chance of INT. Thirdly, it STILL gives us a higher percentage chance of winning. Why? We stopped them on 9% of third downs. That is 3x the rate of a successful onside.

 

There’s no universe we are kicking and anti-kick is the better choice than kicking off and playing defense. with the kick, you have a 3% chance of converting. And only one shot of doing so. kicking off and you likely 3 chances at them throwing a bad ball, fumbling, dropping a pass, etc.

 

Mathematically, kicking off is the right play.

And that does not mean squat given what was going on in the game yesterday.  We could not stop anything the Rams did on offense.   McVay knew that.  Everyone on the field knew that.  I didn't say he throws the ball 3 times.  Maybe he throws it first down and catches us off guard.  You can throw out whatever historical numbers you want but the likelihood we stop them from getting a first down was miniscule at best.  

[Governor]

Based on how the Rams played their previous drive, and had no plans to kick a FG(since they didn’t want to give the ball back to us) I agree that there was zero chance they were running the ball 3 times and punting.

[Captain Caveman]

If you are accepting the penalty at the end of the game don't go into a shell and give them an easy 12 yards to just get back to where it was minus the extra time off the clock.

[DC Greg]

9 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

The most excruciating thing about 13 seconds was the lack of planned series of plays right after we scored the TD. No plan for the KO, No plan for the defense on 1st down or 2nd down. But this lack of foresight in critical situations has been a repeated flaw in McD and his team ever since in several games. This year its been Houston and LA where its reared its ugly head. I dont understand why its so hard to have a coherent plan drilled into whatever coaches or players are involved in the play and a short series of plays ready in whatever late game situation on offense and defense. I dont know why this has not been practiced? Yesterday under no circumstances should the TO have been called after the failed sneak, just abject stupidity. McD, Brady and Allen should have all been clear on this. A 2nd down play should have also been called or just a spike it call. But if that wasnt enough, there was no plan on the punt by LA at the end. Was the punt block on? or a trick play return? Instead we got 9 men on the field, with no rush and then a returnable kick that the returner Codrington let go into the endzone with no attempted return. Which turned an already dumb situation into a situation of pure stupidity.

Perfectly said. When games get crazy at the end, McD becomes a deer in headlights. He is not

prepared for high pressure situations and doesn’t know how to prepare his team for those moments. He displays it time after time. Good coach when things are going well/normal, but at the end of high stakes tense games, the moment has consistently proven too big for him.

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I simply cannot muster the energy to give a ***** about end of game clock management in a game where our defense allowed 45 points.

Come on man the defence wasn't THAT bad... it was only 44 points let up, not 45..

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And that does not mean squat given what was going on in the game yesterday.  We could not stop anything the Rams did on offense.   McVay knew that.  Everyone on the field knew that.  I didn't say he throws the ball 3 times.  Maybe he throws it first down and catches us off guard.  You can throw out whatever historical numbers you want but the likelihood we stop them from getting a first down was miniscule at best.  

 

you know we had stopped them on literally the drive right before that right? The drive they punted?

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

Based on how the Rams played their previous drive, and had no plans to kick a FG(since they didn’t want to give the ball back to us) I agree that there was zero chance they were running the ball 3 times and punting.

 

literally, no one in this entire thread said they would run the ball three times and then punt. Not a single poster

[LarryMadman]

34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes, I was calling for them to switch up defenses all day.  But how about putting the blame on some players, particularly the D line that got blown off the ball all day long?

Yup totally agree but how about the coach who wanted those not very good D linemen and have them rotate in and "stay fresh", then not change when he realized things weren't working, if he even realized it.