An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Huh?

blocked punt TD in not on the defense

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, T master said:

 

But if ST's would not have allowed the Rams guy to knock the Bills linemen on his A** for a scoop and score NONE of that which you talk about would have come into play so this one is on ST's players . 

 

End score Bills 42 - Rams 37 - Bills win end of story !!!! This game was lost by ST's players (D didn't help either) !!

 

If you look  at that play the Bills lineman was pushed completely into the back field and he literally knocked our guy on his A** to block that punt & score ...

They don’t block it they march down the field and score anyway.  It was that type of game.

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Prime example of why this board needs an aptitude test to be able to post.  
 

 

You don’t leave it up to decision and calls that are a flip of the coin. 
 

Did McD have his best game ?  I don’t know.  I hear arguments both ways for his last minute calls.  But the glaring issue was the defense.  Not our head coach. 

You quote: "But the glaring issue was the defense".

 

McDermott is supposed to be a defensive head coach, no?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The penalty takes them out of FG range.  At the time we had no idea if McVay would kick the FG or not.  It’s on the D to stop them and the D sucked all day long.

 

Sure, but then they played prevent to put them right back in the same spot, they literally just gave them the completion with no resistance. And that took even more time off the clock. 

 

And this is McD's defense. It all falls on him no matter how much some of you try to deflect it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If the game is tight late, he's going to make these mistakes. 

 

You saw it against Arizona, you saw it against the Texans, you saw it yesterday. 

 

His explanation after the game made no sense. 

 

GET UP AND RUN THE SAME PLAY and you score with ~ 48 seconds left at worst? 

 

 

 

[Sweats]

10 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

You'll never get one because he doesn't know. Just like he doesn't know what he did wrong at the end of this one. He's completely clueless. 

 

This argument is so dense though. How does that change McD's coaching blunder? I agree it probably wouldn't have happened....but your Head Coach should be putting the team in the best possible position to succeed. That timeout did not do that. And we've see him do that soooo many times in his career here, including the playoffs where it's cost us big. 13 seconds if I have to remind you. 

 

It's a huge problem that this guy has never put in an honest day's work into improving himself as a coach. Game management isn't some kind of inherent talent....it's just all about preparation. And he's never wanted to put in the work for preparation. 

 

Probably not...but that doesn't change that the end of the game was completely butchered. Using the timeout was a horrendous coaching decision whether or not we could have gotten the stop. As a Head Coach, you have to at least do the best you can to give your team that chance. 

 

 

 

So, when we're winning, he had the team prepared, but when we're losing, he doesn't put in the work?........i am not a huge McD supporter, but i firmly believe the man does his homework and puts in the work.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

56 minutes ago, mannc said:

Let’s be real…it was a huge blunder, but if we gave the Rams the ball back with a minute left and all our time outs, they would have just run the jet sweep to Nacua for a first down or found him wide open on play action with the Bills selling out to stop the run.  We did not stop them the whole game and McVey would have schemed something up to get a first down and end the game.

 

Probably...but at least you're still wiling to admit that it was a huge blunder. A lot of mental gymnastics are being played here where people are trying to say that because it's unlikely that we would've gotten a stop, it somehow means it wasn't a huge coaching blunder. 

[yall]

15 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

You'll never get one because he doesn't know. Just like he doesn't know what he did wrong at the end of this one. He's completely clueless. 

 

This argument is so dense though. How does that change McD's coaching blunder? I agree it probably wouldn't have happened....but your Head Coach should be putting the team in the best possible position to succeed. That timeout did not do that. And we've see him do that soooo many times in his career here, including the playoffs where it's cost us big. 13 seconds if I have to remind you. 

 

It's a huge problem that this guy has never put in an honest day's work into improving himself as a coach. Game management isn't some kind of inherent talent....it's just all about preparation. And he's never wanted to put in the work for preparation. 

 

Probably not...but that doesn't change that the end of the game was completely butchered. Using the timeout was a horrendous coaching decision whether or not we could have gotten the stop. As a Head Coach, you have to at least do the best you can to give your team that chance. 

No doubt it could have been better, but of all the warts in that game, focusing on the time out seems like pissing in the wind.

Edited December 9 by yall

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

So, when we're winning, he had the team prepared, but when we're losing, he doesn't put in the work?........i am not a huge McD supporter, but i firmly believe the man does his homework and puts in the work.

 

I don't see how. He hasn't improved at all whatsoever as a game manager. He hasn't even improved on his challenges which have been a huge issue since Day 1. He's had 8 years to change something, either the guys that review it and give him their recommendations to challenge or not, changing something about the way he views them...anything. He's literally done nothing. He still makes rookie blunders. His staff is still highly unorganized. That last play with 9 men on the field...do you think that's the first time that's happened in the McD era? Things like that have happened on the biggest of stages. And it never changes. 

2 minutes ago, yall said:

No doubt it could have been better, but of all the warts in that game, focusing on the time out seems like pissing in the wind.

People like yourself say that...but then we see McD have these same exact blunders in the playoffs. One of which I probably don't need to mention but literally cost us the season in January. It's insane that #17's biggest obstacle to the SB is his own coach and that people defend it every step of the way. 

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I don't see how. He hasn't improved at all whatsoever as a game manager. He hasn't even improved on his challenges which have been a huge issue since Day 1. He's had 8 years to change something, either the guys that review it and give him their recommendations to challenge or not, changing something about the way he views them...anything. He's literally done nothing. He still makes rookie blunders. His staff is still highly unorganized. That last play with 9 men on the field...do you think that's the first time that's happened in the McD era? Things like that have happened on the biggest of stages. And it never changes. 

 

 

 

You bring up some good points, however, i do believe he has bad games just like any HC might have in the NFL, however, it all might be hyper inflated in Buffalo as he has made some of the biggest blunders on some of the biggest stages.

 

I think McD's problem is his philosophy and stubbornness.........i think he figures that if something is working, then why change it, not figuring that teams will catch on and re-work their game plans around it until it's too late.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I don't see how. He hasn't improved at all whatsoever as a game manager. He hasn't even improved on his challenges which have been a huge issue since Day 1. He's had 8 years to change something, either the guys that review it and give him their recommendations to challenge or not, changing something about the way he views them...anything. He's literally done nothing. He still makes rookie blunders. His staff is still highly unorganized. That last play with 9 men on the field...do you think that's the first time that's happened in the McD era? Things like that have happened on the biggest of stages. And it never changes. 

People like yourself say that...but then we see McD have these same exact blunders in the playoffs. One of which I probably don't need to mention but literally cost us the season in January. It's insane that #17's biggest obstacle to the SB is his own coach and that people defend it every step of the way. 

Please tell us who is the coach we don't have that will put us over the hump? Everyone is quick to blame McDermott but have yet to see someone name a coach that is available and would put us over the hump. It's easy to blame coaches but sometimes players have to be accountable, is it the coaches problem that our LS got pushed aside like a rag doll? Was it the coach that made Ingram "hold" on 3rd down? Did a coach cause the refs to miss an obvious false start on 4th down? McDermott had poor clock management at the end as I was screaming for us to call timeout before the two minute warning but that said it was a team loss both from the players and refs. Josh was great most of the game but his slow start wasn't helpful either. As early on he was clearly not the calm self we've seen most of this season, Tom Brady mentioned he was taking things that weren't there etc. Sure he came back from it but it did put us in what turned out an unfermentable hole.

[boyst]

No one has mentioned two things that showed the ultimate end and stupidity of organization on the coaching:

9 men to return the final punt

Not having even a simple attempt to return on what was the last play of the game. 

[Nephilim17]

Nine guys on the filed for the last punt of the game. Nine, not eleven, not even ten, but nine.

That's coaching too. This gets uglier and uglier.

[Blackbeard]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

You quote: "But the glaring issue was the defense".

 

McDermott is supposed to be a defensive head coach, no?

Yes.  And we should fire him NOW!!!!

Please Terry.  Please bring in Ron Rivera.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

No one has mentioned two things that showed the ultimate end and stupidity of organization on the coaching:

9 men to return the final punt

Not having even a simple attempt to return on what was the last play of the game. 

 

Yep. I mean Smiley getting that job and still having it is a failure ultimately on McDermott. It's like they held a raffle at training camp and let a fan be STC. 

[yall]

11 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I don't see how. He hasn't improved at all whatsoever as a game manager. He hasn't even improved on his challenges which have been a huge issue since Day 1. He's had 8 years to change something, either the guys that review it and give him their recommendations to challenge or not, changing something about the way he views them...anything. He's literally done nothing. He still makes rookie blunders. His staff is still highly unorganized. That last play with 9 men on the field...do you think that's the first time that's happened in the McD era? Things like that have happened on the biggest of stages. And it never changes. 

People like yourself say that...but then we see McD have these same exact blunders in the playoffs. One of which I probably don't need to mention but literally cost us the season in January. It's insane that #17's biggest obstacle to the SB is his own coach and that people defend it every step of the way. 

I'm no defender of McD. I think he makes dumb decisions all the time (declining the  penalty immediately comes to mind).

 

My point is simply this; I believe they were already committed to doing the onside kick and as such a low-risk approach to getting the TD was preferable and the time-out was worth it.

 

He's generally a boneheaded Coach, as evidenced by what seemingly was an unwillingness or inability to adjust the entire game.

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I mean Smiley getting that job and still having it is a failure ultimately on McDermott. It's like they held a raffle at training camp and let a fan be STC. 

Maybe the job description was misunderstood by the word special....

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Yes.  And we should fire him NOW!!!!

Please Terry.  Please bring in Ron Rivera.  

Im not saying fire him. But saying it's not the head coaches fault when his defence gives up over 40 and he completely botched the game management at the end doesn't make much sense to me.

 

That L is on him , Babich and yes the defensive players of course 

[Governor]

17 minutes ago, yall said:

I'm no defender of McD. I think he makes dumb decisions all the time (declining the  penalty immediately comes to mind).

 

My point is simply this; I believe they were already committed to doing the onside kick and as such a low-risk approach to getting the TD was preferable and the time-out was worth it.

 

He's generally a boneheaded Coach, as evidenced by what seemingly was an unwillingness or inability to adjust the entire game.

Thinking we could kick it deep, use timeouts and get a stop, was laughable at that point. I think I agree with you. It was not considered an option.

Edited December 9 by Governor

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Nine guys on the filed for the last punt of the game. Nine, not eleven, not even ten, but nine.

That's coaching too. This gets uglier and uglier.

 

And we spent 1 of those 9 guys to punt return….

 

think about that

 

we used 1 of our guys to RETURN a punt that everyone knew that the Rams would either kick out of bounds or into the endzone

 

that little stuff drives me nuts 

 

your only chance is a blocked punt … put every freaking defender rushing the punter