An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Seriously? I was never his biggest fan but that is quite the stretch. In fact, he has improved quite a bit this season.

 

How many end of the game blunders do you have to see? Houston and last night were just this season alone. There's countless botched scenarios and the fact that his side of the ball comes up so short in every single postseason. 

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I estimate the chances of all that happening at 3% or less. We had not held them all day,.  McVay would not have just called three runs when he knew one first down wins the game.  

 

That could be true...but it doesn't change the fact that it was incredibly poorly managed. McD didn't even give them the shot to make the comeback. 

2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

I don’t think they realized how far away they were on that sneak attempt. They usually do the sneak inside the 1 yard line. The ball was on the 1.5 yard line. Big difference when attempting the sneak.

 

Same thing happened in Tennessee a couple years ago. McD and his staff have never learned anything from their mistakes, they just make the same ones over and over again. 

[yall]

I'm not wading through 20 pages of nonsense, but the timeout thing is absolutely irrelevant.

 

The onside kick was out only hope. Anyone who watched the previous 59 minutes of that game and had a fully functional brain knew the D wasn't stopping the Rams when if mattered.

[Blackbeard]

4 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

What side of the ball is McD's specialty? Who hired the DC?

I’m sorry.  All your credibility left the arena as soon as you called McD the worst coach in the league.  And that it’s not even close.  
 

How do you expect anyone to waste time arguing w you?

[Billsatlastin2018]

21 minutes ago, Gman10 said:

Fire McD for Brady? Im in

Funny… but not.

 

Top analysts, like Brady or Romo (because they were excellent QBs exposed to these very situations) know the correct call by instinct!

 

And they sure as shite, no what the wrong call, the monumental loser call is,too!

 

McClapper never does. He never seems to comprehend that a huge part of the end game is to do one of several things: a) retain your game deciding TOs; b) ensure that the opposition blows through theirs by calling plays where the clock doesn’t stop; c) save as much time left with play calls designed to do so while scoring; d) make sure that clock burns to almost zero with the lead or before a final clinching score.

 

He just cannot process this stuff simultaneously- starting with the give the Rams TWO plays, instead of one 4th Down decision. When you have the MVP on your team, you want him ON the ***** field! Regardless of whether the opponent makes a FG!

 

Down 9, with that time remaining, you again must design plays at the GL to preserve your CRITICAL TOs!! 
 

USE ONE… YOU LOSE! Simple as that. There are no NINE point TDs that I know of.

 

Hopelessly, outclassed in the end game is McClapper! As I’ve said here before, after ‘13 Seconds’, he should have been subjected to an intense, rapid fire test of endless time left and TO scenarios.

 

And he needed to ace the answers in 5- 10 seconds each, so that he would know what to do instantly in real game situations.

 

After watching these endless time management FUBARs, we know now he lacks the mental capacity to process them in an instant timely manner. We know that whatever he does is invariably dead wrong!

Edited December 9 by Billsatlastin2018

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, yall said:

I'm not wading through 20 pages of nonsense, but the timeout thing is absolutely irrelevant.

 

The onside kick was out only hope. Anyone who watched the previous 59 minutes of that game and had a fully functional brain knew the D wasn't stopping the Rams when if mattered.

Nonsense take.  With three timeouts you have a realistic shot at a three and out.  You put yourself in that position.  If they convert, THEN it’s over.

[DeltaDigital]

40 minutes ago, waterglass said:

I commend coach for what hes done but Josh alone is responsible for 5 years of AFC East titles. We win despite McDermott, not because of him. He rewards people who kiss his junk. One example are those in the booth upstairs making calls on those challenge flags since 2017. Its there for all the public to see with ZERO improvement since his arrival. 

 

He doesnt learn 

THIS. All day, THIS. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 hours ago, Success said:

Accepting the penalty on the Rams drive.

 

Then, calling TIME OUT.  Could have rushed to the line there & still been able to stop the clock.  That ended the game.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

 

The run call was the bad call, not the timeout.  You don't run inside 2 minutes when you need to preserve 3 timeouts.  If you're doing a sneak, clock it after then.  

 

As for the penalty, i assume from a win probability thing you're looking at like... a small percentage either way in win probability.  I could see causing a punt there as a winning move.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Andrew Son said:

Do you know how long it would take to unpile everyone from the failed sneak?  And I’m sure the Rams would be super helpful in moving things along…

 

It was a terrible call.

 

Yea, scamper and spike would have been better than the timeout. But the real damage was the decision to sneak. Just an atrocious decision.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The worst coach in the league…..

 

Mondays after losses are like filters. 

 

Did you think the horrendous penalty accept and then playing prevent to put them in almost exactly the same position and take time off the clock was smart? Was using the timeout so the only way we could get the ball back was an onside kick an intelligent decision? Was having 9 men on the field on the last play just a stroke of genius that we just can't comprehend? 

Was this all just a complete masterclass in coaching that should be the model that the rest of the coaches in the league strive to one day reach?

58 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's the reason most fans are angry about it. If Tom Brady didn't say anything about it, most fans would have remained unaware. They'd still be calling for McDermott's head, though. That is the nature of Bills losses.

 

Totally untrue. Keeping. your timeouts there is something that even newbie Madden players know. 

 

Also, let's say some of the fans remained unaware....does that all of a sudden not make it a blunder? The mental gymnastics some of you play to try to deflect from McD is unreal. 

 

If you actually look at most of the posts, the people that are ragging on McD are making football points. The people that are deflecting are throwing personal shade at those people, not actually talking about what happened. Probably because you know there is no defense for it. 

Edited December 9 by HomeskillitMoorman

[Nuncha]

13 hours ago, Process said:

1. Declining the penalty on 3rd and 7 was clearly the correct move YOU NEED A TD TD WIN NO MATTER WHAT. Would have been 4th and 7 vs 4th and 5. Would they have kicked the FG with 7 yards needed instead of 5? Who knows., but the decision was wrong regardless. 

 

and somehow this next one is  10000x worse. 

 

2. You can not, under any circumstance. call a TO after the  QB sneak. Sneaking it is dumb, but if you are going to do it you tell the guys if they stop it you hurry up, spend 10 seconds getting back to the line, and run it again. The second Sean called TO the game was over. 

I totally agree with 1.  

 

Number 2 - sneaking it was not dumb.  The chances of Josh scoring on that sneak are extremely high and that is the first time I can remember he was held for no gain on a tush push.  He typically gains well over a yard.  Using a TO there was a waste though.  Hurry up and spike it, conserve the TO.

 

Unfortunately, the game was over long before the TO call.  Our D remained somewhere in Ochard Park making snow angels.  That was by far the WORST defensive performance of the McD era.

Edited December 9 by Nuncha

[Steptide]

Calling that time out at the end slightly reminded me of the Colts snow game back in 2017 when McDermott was litterally playing for a tie, when that would've litterally put us out of of the playoffs. Even after that game he mentioned how a tie was better than a loss, but still would've essentially made it impossible for the bills to get into the playoffs that year. He's gotta figure his end of game management out 

[TBBills Fan]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Yep. First decision was wrong but I can at least understand what the other side of it was and it might not have mattered. 

 

The second decision was idiotic. It basically made the game that one play when you didn't need to. You could go 2nd and 1 pass, 3rd and 1 pass, 4th and 1 kick the FG if you needed to and the game still be alive. What you could not do under any circumstances is call time out. 

 

They'd have even been better if they were going to try the sneak rushing back to lineup, keep the timeout, snap it and chuck it oob then kick. 

 

The one thing you could not do there was use your time out. Once you did it was game over.

This.  

The goal line call was bad and then they doubled down by ending the game with that TO

 

I can see the argument both ways on the 3rd down penalty

[yall]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Nonsense take.  With three timeouts you have a realistic shot at a three and out.  You put yourself in that position.  If they convert, THEN it’s over.

They clearly knew they were going for the onside kick at that point.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Every scenario depended on the Bills defense stopping the Rams, which they hadn't done but for once all day.

 

Sure...but that doesn't change that the head coach should be putting the team in the best possible position to win. If we use our downs to throw there and score and the Rams have the ball with our 3 timeouts in tact and they get a 1st down to end it...OK....from a management perspective he would have put the team in position for success, they just couldn't get it done. 

 

I don't know if that's what you're saying, but I've heard quite a few of those responses of "who cares, we weren't going to get the stop anyway"....when that may be true but it doesn't erase the fact that McD has absolutely no idea what he's doing as a game manager. 

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Calling that time out at the end slightly reminded me of the Colts snow game back in 2017 when McDermott was litterally playing for a tie, when that would've litterally put us out of of the playoffs. Even after that game he mentioned how a tie was better than a loss, but still would've essentially made it impossible for the bills to get into the playoffs that year. He's gotta figure his end of game management out 

 

Yup, he was unprepared from Day 1 when he took over and that's never changed

12 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I’m sorry.  All your credibility left the arena as soon as you called McD the worst coach in the league.  And that it’s not even close.  
 

How do you expect anyone to waste time arguing w you?

 

The guy has cost a generational QB almost his entire 20's and he hasn't learned a thing in 8 years as a coach. He's completely botched 2 end of game scenarios this season alone. He's done it multiple times in the playoffs. His side of the ball has been given an incredible amount of resources from the beginning only to get gashed in every single big game. 

 

The high majority of coaches could just make the playoffs with Josh Allen every season. This guy has a top 2 QB...some would argue the best...and has lost in the Divisional Round 3 years in a row. I think it was you who mentioned Ron Rivera as a joke earlier in the thread...even he made it to a Super Bowl with Cam Newton while our guy can't get out of Round 2. 

[Sweats]

10 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Nonsense take.  With three timeouts you have a realistic shot at a three and out.  You put yourself in that position.  If they convert, THEN it’s over.

 

 

 

We weren't stopping anything or anybody alllllllllllllllllllllll day, but we were going to miraculously have a 3 and out?!?

 

Like, come on, man.........you can do better than this.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Sean still owes us an explanation of the 13 seconds. No accountability whatsoever, and now each new game management blunder is magnified 100-fold.

 

You'll never get one because he doesn't know. Just like he doesn't know what he did wrong at the end of this one. He's completely clueless. 

2 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

We weren't stopping anything or anybody alllllllllllllllllllllll day, but we were going to miraculously have a 3 and out?!?

 

Like, come on, man.........you can do better than this.

 

This argument is so dense though. How does that change McD's coaching blunder? I agree it probably wouldn't have happened....but your Head Coach should be putting the team in the best possible position to succeed. That timeout did not do that. And we've see him do that soooo many times in his career here, including the playoffs where it's cost us big. 13 seconds if I have to remind you. 

 

It's a huge problem that this guy has never put in an honest day's work into improving himself as a coach. Game management isn't some kind of inherent talent....it's just all about preparation. And he's never wanted to put in the work for preparation. 

21 minutes ago, yall said:

I'm not wading through 20 pages of nonsense, but the timeout thing is absolutely irrelevant.

 

The onside kick was out only hope. Anyone who watched the previous 59 minutes of that game and had a fully functional brain knew the D wasn't stopping the Rams when if mattered.

 

Probably not...but that doesn't change that the end of the game was completely butchered. Using the timeout was a horrendous coaching decision whether or not we could have gotten the stop. As a Head Coach, you have to at least do the best you can to give your team that chance. 

[foreboding]

I think McD is good at building culture and a system of accountability. Without these things you do not build a winning, long term program.

 

However, I do not think he is super bright and it shows up in his "in the moment" mistakes.

 

What do we do about this? No idea, but firing a good leader who has us close, seems counter-productive.

[T master]

13 hours ago, Success said:

Accepting the penalty on the Rams drive.

 

Then, calling TIME OUT.  Could have rushed to the line there & still been able to stop the clock.  That ended the game.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

 

But if ST's would not have allowed the Rams guy to knock the Bills linemen on his A** for a scoop and score NONE of that which you talk about would have come into play so this one is on ST's players . 

 

End score Bills 42 - Rams 37 - Bills win end of story !!!! This game was lost by ST's players (D didn't help either) !!

 

If you look  at that play the Bills lineman was pushed completely into the back field and he literally knocked our guy on his A** to block that punt & score ...

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

We weren't stopping anything or anybody alllllllllllllllllllllll day, but we were going to miraculously have a 3 and out?!?

 

Like, come on, man.........you can do better than this.

LOL, think about what you are saying.  You have to at least give yourself a chance.

 

Like a three and out is some sort of miracle situation....  "Well, we haven't stopped them much so let's just waive the whit flag!"

[oldmanfan]

16 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Did you think the horrendous penalty decline and then playing prevent to put them in almost exactly the same position and take time off the clock was smart? Was using the timeout so the only way we could get the ball back was an onside kick an intelligent decision? Was having 9 men on the field on the last play just a stroke of genius that we just can't comprehend? 

Was this all just a complete masterclass in coaching that should be the model that the rest of the coaches in the league strive to one day reach?

 

Totally untrue. Keeping. your timeouts there is something that even newbie Madden players know. 

 

Also, let's say some of the fans remained unaware....does that all of a sudden not make it a blunder? The mental gymnastics some of you play to try to deflect from McD is unreal. 

 

If you actually look at most of the posts, the people that are ragging on McD are making football points. The people that are deflecting are throwing personal shade at those people, not actually talking about what happened. Probably because you know there is no defense for it. 

The penalty takes them out of FG range.  At the time we had no idea if McVay would kick the FG or not.  It’s on the D to stop them and the D sucked all day long.