An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

That just makes taking the penalty all the more idiotic, if you have a chance to get a team to 4th and long when TIME is your biggest enemy, you have to take it.  Especially if your big plan is to sit in a weak zone and let them get right back to the same distance.  Which the scheme showed was exactly the plan, they gave a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 17.  He’s just awful at real time decision making.

Josh Allen had a record breaking performance, missing two starting receivers and you somehow want to pin this on him?  Ok Sean.

Im not. I’m pinning it primarily on our defensive backs who got annihilated yesterday.

[waterglass]

 

Ever since he arrived here coach cant win a playoff game when hes up against other good coaches. Its been like that since he always wanted and drafted undersize D linemen. His rational back then was so they could run down Mahomes. Oh, so what happened to the run D? Having undersize D puts pressure on the 2nd and 3rd level players and boy oh boy have they paid the price. All those injuries are because the D line isnt doing it because they physically cant. Its not their fault as its the coach who put this team together based on that type of thinking; small fast lineman. Whats damming is he also cant scheme his way to work with what he has. Does anyone recall that he ran D Coordinator Jim Schwartz out of here back when he showed up in 2017. That guy could coach D. So could Mike Pettine. McDermott cant and thats why coach Andy Reed fired him as D Coordinator years ago. Reed knows him. 

 

Coach excels at throwing others under the bus. He also did it yesterday when he took a swipe at Buffalos running game. So what about Special Teams ever since you tossed the Coach in the 13 seconds game. Coach Smily is a mistake and they have been terrible since. Just like Bass regression on his kicks? The root cause?  At least Leslie Fraiser had some success with you. So really coach, everyone has to play your compilmentary football just to cover your mistakes. So when it doesnt work you chastize them for it? At least they know when they cant run they pass and because of it they scored 42 points.

 

All the National guys already know what I wrote above. There also must be some truth to what Fraiser said about coach blinking mentally when its crunch time. In brief he freezes up like a deer in the headlights. He did it in 13 seconds, the Texans game this year and yesterday. Those are just a few of many over the years. 

 

I commend coach for what hes done but Josh alone is responsible for 5 years of AFC East titles. We win despite McDermott, not because of him. He rewards people who kiss his junk. One example are those in the booth upstairs making calls on those challenge flags since 2017. Its there for all the public to see with ZERO improvement since his arrival. 

 

He doesnt learn 

Edited December 9 by waterglass

[Ayjent]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Nope, being serious.  I don't think there was any way we hold them to three and out.  McVay would have known one first down wins the game; he would not have just ran the ball 3 times.

I think McVay probably would have run all three times, he knows the clock is on his side and he knows there are a lot more things that can go wrong with a pass attempt than a run.  It doesn't matter because the timeout was called that made it easy to just run out the clock.

[DrBob806]

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

... unless they can scheme up a different D this is our achilles heal and will be the most likely reason we get ousted in the playoffs

I agree about scheme, but 14 weeks into the season, it is what it is. Unlikely to change a whole lot.

 

The division is wrapped up, so they really should employ new wrinkles. They're either a 2 or 3 seed, so they have leeway to implement changes...will they?

[MJS]

It's the reason most fans are angry about it. If Tom Brady didn't say anything about it, most fans would have remained unaware. They'd still be calling for McDermott's head, though. That is the nature of Bills losses.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Ayjent said:

I think McVay probably would have run all three times, he knows the clock is on his side and he knows there are a lot more things that can go wrong with a pass attempt than a run.  It doesn't matter because the timeout was called that made it easy to just run out the clock.

I disagree but we'll never know.

[mjt328]

Without the punt block, the Rams would have gotten the ball 30-40 yards farther down the field.  And they would have proceeded to go on a 10-play, 6 minute touchdown drive anyway.  

 

If the Bills had saved all three timeouts at the very end, the Rams would have still gotten a first down and iced the game.

 

I know everyone wants to blame the coach (as usual).  But we really need to figure out why the defense is even capable of games like this.  It doesn't seem to matter who is in charge (Leslie Frazier, Sean McDermott, Bobby Babich).  It doesn't seem to matter if we rush 4 or blitz.  It doesn't seem to matter if we play zone or man coverage.  Every season we get 1-2 games where that side of the ball doesn't even show up to play.

 

[Ayjent]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I disagree but we'll never know.

Yeah its all useless speculation, but I'm kinda glad Brady put it on the coaches like he did.  They earned all of that negative narrative.

[mannc]

3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

Brady knew exactly what was happening and the strategic stakes of the situation--he seemed shocked at what we did. As he explained, an onside kick has less than a 10% chance to work.

 

When the Bills lined up jumbo on first and goal, I assumed we were going to go play action and throw over the top to a lineman or tight end for the TD.

 

There was 1:06 on the clock. Rams would have had the ball with 1 minute left, if we could have held them to a 3 and out while using our 3 timeouts, we would have probably gotten the ball back with at least 40 seconds and the ball on our own 30-40 yard line.

 

We would then have needed to drive 25-35 yards for a field goal to win a game for the ages, 45-44.

 

I estimate Josh Allen's chances to do it at 75%-80%.

Let’s be real…it was a huge blunder, but if we gave the Rams the ball back with a minute left and all our time outs, they would have just run the jet sweep to Nacua for a first down or found him wide open on play action with the Bills selling out to stop the run.  We did not stop them the whole game and McVey would have schemed something up to get a first down and end the game.

Edited December 9 by mannc

[Ray Stonada]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Let’s be real…it was a huge blunder, but if we gave the Rams the ball back with a minute left and all out time outs, they would have just run the jet sweep to Nacua for a first down or found him wide open on play action with the Bills selling out to stop the run.  We did not stop them the whole game and McVey would have schemed something up to get a first down and end the game.

So we should have tried an onside kick no matter what?

 

I think our defense had a better chance to get a 3 and out than our vaunted special teams to

recover an onside kick. 

[FireChans]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

I answered already. Any positive thing that happened, the head coach shares credit. He created everything. He empowers the other coaches to do their jobs. He created the environment for Josh Allen to flourish. He readies the players to play each week. He provides leadership and motivation. He does all the head coach things that lead to success week in and week out.

What about any negative thing?

 

9 guys on the field for the last play of the game? Mismanaging timeouts? does the head coach share blame?

[Gman10]

Fire McD for Brady? Im in

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I think we had a better chance of recovering an onside kick vs. trying to stop them 

Frankly, we could’ve tried to stop them after not getting the kick then 

 

The timeout counted for something even if not likely 

[Ayjent]

12 hours ago, ImpactCorey said:

The benefit of declining the penalty would have saved some clock as well.

And two plays where you might have a defensive penalty give the Rams a 1st down.

[PromoTheRobot]

Every scenario depended on the Bills defense stopping the Rams, which they hadn't done but for once all day.

Edited December 9 by PromoTheRobot

[LarryMadman]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Generally our D is a well oiled machine.  Yesterday, they weren’t.  Pair that with Stafford, Nacua and Cupp playing phenomenally, and you see the result.  
 

The anti McD crowd was just waiting on something like this to castigate him again. It’s ridiculous.   

Its because he's not a very good coach. He would have been out of a job years ago if not for Josh Allen.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What about any negative thing?

 

9 guys on the field for the last play of the game? Mismanaging timeouts? does the head coach share blame?

Dude. Read my posts. That is exactly what I said. He is just as much a factor in the negative things as the positive.

23 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Im not. I’m pinning it primarily on our defensive backs who got annihilated yesterday.

And the MIA defensive line, particularly Oliver, who has been mostly invisible all season.

7 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

It’s the same BS as 13 seconds, and it’s going to keep happening.

 

Josh literally puts on an all time great performance, again, and Sean Midermott can’t hold up his end of the bargain in a close game, again.

 

 I get Terry is likely just content with being “relevant” on the national stage, but the greatest player ever to step on a football field might eventually get tired of having his career wasted with a coach who routinely chokes in the biggest spots.

 

We all know a Josh is an upstanding guy, but at a certain point, how many times can he be expected to just keep running it back? 
If Midermott’s soft defense costs them, again, in the postseason, I just hope we don’t see Josh try and force his way out… he did grow up a Niners fan, and it would be a lot closer to his future wife. I’d probably stop watching football if that happened, but if the playoffs end the way they have every other year under Sean Midermott, I couldn’t blame him.

It isn't the same as 13 seconds at all. We had the lead in that game with 13 seconds left. We were down by two scores with one minute left in this game, an almost impossible situation to claw out of.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Prime example of why this board needs an aptitude test to be able to post.  
 

 

You don’t leave it up to decision and calls that are a flip of the coin. 
 

Did McD have his best game ?  I don’t know.  I hear arguments both ways for his last minute calls.  But the glaring issue was the defense.  Not our head coach. 

 

What side of the ball is McD's specialty? Who hired the DC?

[T master]

4 hours ago, Herb said:

The punt block TD and McDermott choosing to run on our last possession with 3 timeouts was the difference in the game. Tom Brady called out our wasted timeout live. Tom fully explained the situation and exclaimed that McDermott's decision basically made it impossible to win the game.

 

The punt block was what lost the Bills the game that & the fact that the D couldn't stop their WR's but if our linemen on that punt didn't get flat out knocked on his A** that was 7 points off the board Bills win ...

 

If that punt block does't happen none of the rest of it is relevant ! Brady doesn't have to make his last statement which he was spot on but it never would have came to be if they didn't allow that guy to blow up the punt . They literally knocked that guy on his A** he should be embarrassed .

[Ayjent]

1 minute ago, LarryMadman said:

Its because he's not a very good coach. He would have been out of a job years ago if not for Josh Allen.

He's not a very good coach in close games in crunch time.  Aside from that he is a very good coach.  Problem is that will give you what you've seen for his a tenure, a perennial playoff team that doesn't bring home the trophy.  It's not that they can't, but this was another exhibit of how the team had no counters and no answers on D to a team imposing its will followed by some questionable coaching where every decision had to be the right decision based on the circumstances.  I like McDermott but that was a poor showing yesterday.  The Rams played really well on Offense, but D had to take way more chances and it was clear that they didn't think they had to.