An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[Andrew Son]

47 minutes ago, stevewin said:

For that goal line sequence, a lot of people are complaining about the run call.  The main issue wasn't the qb sneak on 1st down (your best play at the goal line), it was not immediately getting up to the line and spiking it or running a quick pass play instead of the timeout.  What is the percentage that Josh is stopped on a qb sneak from the one.  I have no problem with the initial sneak, you just need to be ready with a spike or another quick pass play if it doesn't work (an not call a timeout)

Do you know how long it would take to unpile everyone from the failed sneak?  And I’m sure the Rams would be super helpful in moving things along…

 

It was a terrible call.

[Dr.Sack]

As great as the offense played we had 3 punts? Need to keep punts to zero. 6 TDs won’t win vs an offensive genius. 

[Roundybout]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Apparently this is what you think happened in the 2nd half:

 

Im so sick of the “McDermott does nothing right and every thing wrong” takes 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I mean everyone did. People who are even just casual football viewers were miffed at it. 

 

We have the worst HC in the league and it's not even close to be honest. 

The worst coach in the league…..

 

Mondays after losses are like filters. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I estimate the chances of all that happening at 3% or less. We had not held them all day,.  McVay would not have just called three runs when he knew one first down wins the game.  

a 3 and out unlikely but not impossible. Make them execute. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

I don't buy the no giveaways bit. IMHO the blocked punt was a giveaway.

A blocked punt is not a turnover. 

[DrBob806]

2 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

One play didn't lose the game, but in that moment, that play reduced our chances to pull out the win by a lot.

 

Couple that with McDermott's record of making strange calls late in close games, and you might understand people getting a little upset. 

 

It's not every game an offense scores 42 points with 6 TDs and 0 turnovers and loses.

 

Yeah, great point in the last paragraph. Those kind of numbers & blowing it are usually reserved for the Raiders, Jets, or Browns.

 

Please, no "one & done" in the playoffs. But I can see it😢

[BearNorth]

2 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

Yes. One play lost us the game. 
orrrrrrrr maybe the defense played like *****?  Maybe the defense let up 44  points?

 

 

i think the defense only let up 38, Bills scored 42.  Special teams where McDermott dedicates a chunk of roster spots also gave up a TD.

[Ayjent]

You just simply don't call a time out at the goal line there no matter what, even if Josh doesn't get in.  You have control of getting to the line and getting set to run another play and save your TOs to have more time to stop the Rams from running clock if you don't get the Onsides kick.  It's not that they ran and didn't make it.  Its that they called the TO at all.  That is coaching 101.

Edited December 9 by Ayjent

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

a 3 and out unlikely but not impossible. Make them execute. 

I think we had a better chance of recovering an onside kick vs. trying to stop them 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Xwnyer said:

I still think the accepting the penalty was dumb.  Force fourth down and if you fail ya have more clock.  Giving them two more downs cost valuable clock.  Smiley should be fired immediately not just blocked punt but the fact he had 9 guys on field for the on,y punt Rams had all day.

 

They gave them one more down not two. It would have been 4th and 7, Instead it became 3rd and 16, then with the pass completed went to 4th and 5.  Likely whether it was 4th and 7 or 4th and 5, Rams still would have went for it.  Admittedly they did lose time, believe the rule in last 5 minutes, even if you decline penalty, clock does not restart?

 

On the attempted run play at goal line, what surprised me was no one was in the backfield too push Allen forward.  I assumed they were faking the sneak and Allen was maybe going to roll out and if he had a clear path run it in, else, pass it to someone sneaking out behind them in the end zone.

[The Red King]

Why not both?

 

I hear people say the D not being able to stop a running nose was the bigger issue, so stop talking about McD.

 

Why?

 

McD had a major, major blunder and that certainly deserves talking about.  Absolutely nobody is giving the D a pass, but their terminal play does not let our coach off the hook for the call that sunk at least a chance for a comeback win.

[ddaryl]

this game reminds us of our weakness against solid accurate QBs who can pick apart our zone D while also having some success running the football.

We saw this against the Ravens and unless they can scheme up a different D this is our achilles heal and will be the most likely reason we get ousted in the playoffs

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I think we had a better chance of recovering an onside kick vs. trying to stop them 

 

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the way the defense played yesterday even with only a 3% chance of successful onside kick, I tend to agree with you!

[Ayjent]

When your team plays so god awful in some aspects it magnifies everything that goes wrong.  Could the false start on 4th and 5 have been called on Rams? Yes.  Should the PI call on the Rams for tugging on Cooper that was picked up have stood? Absolutely.  But.....

 

The Bills coaching was just stubborn and stupid to make those plays matter:  I can't stand Brady's voice but he called the coaching out where it was totally blowing it.  They kept on playing zone that the Rams were just destroying, and then the end of game sequence was inexcusable.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the way the defense played yesterday even with only a 3% chance of successful onside kick, I tend to agree with you!

Nope, being serious.  I don't think there was any way we hold them to three and out.  McVay would have known one first down wins the game; he would not have just ran the ball 3 times.

[DCofNC]

11 hours ago, jkeerie said:

McD said in his presser, they did switch to man at times, but were flagged for PI more when they did.  He said they lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  He also believed McV would have gone for it had he declined the penalty based on what the Ram kicker was doing in warmups.

That just makes taking the penalty all the more idiotic, if you have a chance to get a team to 4th and long when TIME is your biggest enemy, you have to take it.  Especially if your big plan is to sit in a weak zone and let them get right back to the same distance.  Which the scheme showed was exactly the plan, they gave a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 17.  He’s just awful at real time decision making.

36 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Im so sick of the “McDermott does nothing right and every thing wrong” takes 

Josh Allen had a record breaking performance, missing two starting receivers and you somehow want to pin this on him?  Ok Sean.

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, The 9 Isles said:

From PFT :

 

 

“The Bills are the first team in the Super Bowl era to have six or more touchdowns and no giveaways

and lose. Previously, teams that did that were 245-0.

Receiver Puka Nacua had 12 catches for 162 yards and two total touchdowns.

Josh Allen had three passing touchdowns and three rushing touchdowns. He's the only player to do it in a regular-season game. The only other player to ever do it was Otto Graham in the 1954

NFL Championship.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How one can consider a blocked punt returned for a TD NOT a turnover is beyond me.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Nope, being serious.  I don't think there was any way we hold them to three and out.  McVay would have known one first down wins the game; he would not have just ran the ball 3 times.

 

I  don't think they'd have been afraid to pass either as we couldn't stop the short ones.  And yes one 1st down game over.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, DCofNC said:

That just makes taking the penalty all the more idiotic, if you have a chance to get a team to 4th and long when TIME is your biggest enemy, you have to take it.  Especially if your big plan is to sit in a weak zone and let them get right back to the same distance.  Which the scheme showed was exactly the plan, they gave a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 17.  He’s just awful at real time decision making.

You take the penalty because it knocks them out of FG range if McVay was thinking about kicking.    But the D wet the bed like they did all game.  That's also why I don't have an issue deciding to call the TO and rely on an onside kick.  The alternative was expecting your D to get a 3 and out which simply was not going to happen.