An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[Xwnyer]

I still think the accepting the penalty was dumb.  Force fourth down and if you fail ya have more clock.  Giving them two more downs cost valuable clock.  Smiley should be fired immediately not just blocked punt but the fact he had 9 guys on field for the on,y punt Rams had all day.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

I still think the accepting the penalty was dumb.  Force fourth down and if you fail ya have more clock.  Giving them two more downs cost valuable clock.  Smiley should be fired immediately not just blocked punt but the fact he had 9 guys on field for the on,y punt Rams had all day.

The true coaching failure was Smiley having 9 guys on the field.  Taking the penalty gets them into 3rd and I think 15?  Your D has to stop that.  Has to.  But we couldn’t stop them all day.  That’s why I was OK with the onside kick.  I think that was a better chance than assuming we could stop them with 3 TOs.  

[Blackbeard]

6 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

I still think the accepting the penalty was dumb.  Force fourth down and if you fail ya have more clock.  Giving them two more downs cost valuable clock.  Smiley should be fired immediately not just blocked punt but the fact he had 9 guys on field for the on,y punt Rams had all day.

Yes. Fire him IMMEDIATELY!

 

Bringing in Ron Rivera will guarantee a SB win! 

[colin]

11 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Generally our D is a well oiled machine.  Yesterday, they weren’t.  Pair that with Stafford, Pacua and Cupp playing phenomenally, and you see the result.  
 

The anti McD crowd was just waiting on something like this to castigate him again. It’s ridiculous.   

 

no, we have seen the bills D just choke, put in what are the statistical worst games, or bottom 10, of the year in the playoffs.  not of our team for the year, but of all teams in all games for the year, that's like 270ish games and in the playoffs we have had bottom 10 and lower of 270 total games in the year, just like we did vs the rams.

 

it's not that the d is consistently bad, it's that they are shockingly bad vs good teams in high importance games.  if our d was bad but not terrible vs the rams, if our special teams were bad but not terrible vs the rams, if our coaches had the same awful game plans there but didn't make such goofy choices, we win or at least have a much better chance too.

 

that's our criticism, not that we lose to good teams, but that the d lays a game just so so out of type, so far below what they've done before, in these high profile games that even allen LITERALLY MAKING HISTORY with spectacular performances is not enough to overcome awful D, awful special teams, and awful coaching.

 

our last two losses in the playoffs to KC were exactly that.  we did the stupid kick off vs kc w 13 seconds left, taking no time off the clock while we were kicking it 3 yards short and stuffing guys before the 25 (old kick off rules) all year.  our d collapsed hard and played sidelines vs a team w 3 time outs.  that's sub 13 year old playing madden coching.

 

last year, our d made one single stop when mcdermott was forced to take human corpse aj klien off the field and allow our 3rd round rookie to actually play, and we had a really nifty fake punt w damar hamlin which gave the ball away, similar trash to the 12 men denver fg, the 13 second kick, and the punt block last night.

 

mcd has never once had an efficient stable defensive performance in a big game vs a non bottom seeded team in the playoffs.  not one time.  he is not usually efficient when it counts, he is consistently terrible -- and terrible beyond the frame of our injuries or how our d tends to play, terrible at a statistically bottom performance for the entire year of all teams.

[Blackbeard]

2 minutes ago, colin said:

 

no, we have seen the bills D just choke, put in what are the statistical worst games, or bottom 10, of the year in the playoffs.  not of our team for the year, but of all teams in all games for the year, that's like 270ish games and in the playoffs we have had bottom 10 and lower of 270 total games in the year, just like we did vs the rams.

 

it's not that the d is consistently bad, it's that they are shockingly bad vs good teams in high importance games.  if our d was bad but not terrible vs the rams, if our special teams were bad but not terrible vs the rams, if our coaches had the same awful game plans there but didn't make such goofy choices, we win or at least have a much better chance too.

 

that's our criticism, not that we lose to good teams, but that the d lays a game just so so out of type, so far below what they've done before, in these high profile games that even allen LITERALLY MAKING HISTORY with spectacular performances is not enough to overcome awful D, awful special teams, and awful coaching.

 

our last two losses in the playoffs to KC were exactly that.  we did the stupid kick off vs kc w 13 seconds left, taking no time off the clock while we were kicking it 3 yards short and stuffing guys before the 25 (old kick off rules) all year.  our d collapsed hard and played sidelines vs a team w 3 time outs.  that's sub 13 year old playing madden coching.

 

last year, our d made one single stop when mcdermott was forced to take human corpse aj klien off the field and allow our 3rd round rookie to actually play, and we had a really nifty fake punt w damar hamlin which gave the ball away, similar trash to the 12 men denver fg, the 13 second kick, and the punt block last night.

 

mcd has never once had an efficient stable defensive performance in a big game vs a non bottom seeded team in the playoffs.  not one time.  he is not usually efficient when it counts, he is consistently terrible -- and terrible beyond the frame of our injuries or how our d tends to play, terrible at a statistically bottom performance for the entire year of all teams.

This has swayed me into thinking we fire our horrible 10-3, 5 time AFCE champion coach immediately.   
 

 

[peterpan]

45 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

From PFT :

 

 

“The Bills are the first team in the Super Bowl era to have six or more touchdowns and no giveaways

and lose. Previously, teams that did that were 245-0.

Receiver Puka Nacua had 12 catches for 162 yards and two total touchdowns.

Josh Allen had three passing touchdowns and three rushing touchdowns. He's the only player to do it in a regular-season game. The only other player to ever do it was Otto Graham in the 1954

NFL Championship.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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McDermott is a true record setting coach!! 🤪

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

Brady knew exactly what was happening and the strategic stakes of the situation--he seemed shocked at what we did. As he explained, an onside kick has less than a 10% chance to work.

 

When the Bills lined up jumbo on first and goal, I assumed we were going to go play action and throw over the top to a lineman or tight end for the TD.

 

There was 1:06 on the clock. Rams would have had the ball with 1 minute left, if we could have held them to a 3 and out while using our 3 timeouts, we would have probably gotten the ball back with at least 40 seconds and the ball on our own 30-40 yard line.

 

We would then have needed to drive 25-35 yards for a field goal to win a game for the ages, 45-44.

 

I estimate Josh Allen's chances to do it at 75%-80%.

And what do estimate the chances of that happening yesterday? The reason we stopped them on their last possession is because the Rams were ok with running the ball to get us to use our last 2 TOs, run the clock down after.

 

Has there been a minute left and we had 3 TOs. They were 1 Puka reception away from icing the game anyway. 

 

This isn't saying that taking that first TO was a good idea. It wasn't. They could have rushed the line and spiked the ball or went back to the Plow. Minimal time lost. But the real culprit yesterday was the inability to get off the field on 3rd down the entire game. And when they converted that late 4th down it was ballgame. 

[Ray Stonada]

22 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Generally our D is a well oiled machine.  Yesterday, they weren’t.  Pair that with Stafford, Pacua and Cupp playing phenomenally, and you see the result.  
 

The anti McD crowd was just waiting on something like this to castigate him again. It’s ridiculous.   

I agree with you that Stafford, Nacua and Cupp played off the charts. 

 

However I wasn’t waiting around to castigate McDermott—I just voted that I see him as better than in the past and learning from his mistakes. This game was a recurrence of his late game blunders, though, which I hope is just a one-time relapse.

[stevewin]

For that goal line sequence, a lot of people are complaining about the run call.  The main issue wasn't the qb sneak on 1st down (your best play at the goal line), it was not immediately getting up to the line and spiking it or running a quick pass play instead of the timeout.  What is the percentage that Josh is stopped on a qb sneak from the one.  I have no problem with the initial sneak, you just need to be ready with a spike or another quick pass play if it doesn't work (an not call a timeout)

[Don Otreply]

48 minutes ago, The Helmet of said:

That was a blunder. But it was a small factor in the overall loss.

 

I’m much more concerned with the fact that McVay’s O B-slapped McD’s D up and down the field for 60 minutes. McD and Babich had NO answers.

 

And coach Smiley obviously has egg all over his kisser.

The  Defense has always been this team’s question mark, and yet there has never been a move to modify it for the better, it’s as if…, well, you finish the sentence,

 

GO BILLS!

[Ray Stonada]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

And what do estimate the chances of that happening yesterday? The reason we stopped them on their last possession is because the Rams were ok with running the ball to get us to use our last 2 TOs, run the clock down after.

 

Has there been a minute left and we had 3 TOs. They were 1 Puka reception away from icing the game anyway. 

 

This isn't saying that taking that first TO was a good idea. It wasn't. They could have rushed the line and spiked the ball or went back to the Plow. Minimal time lost. But the real culprit yesterday was the inability to get off the field on 3rd down the entire game. And when they converted that late 4th down it was ballgame. 

I agree with this. There are lots of examples of great receivers making catch after catch against the Bills. Nacua and Cupp yesterday, Nico Collins until he got hurt in the Texans game, Justin Jefferson, Hopkins, Kelce, and more. Stopping those types of dominant offensive players is not the Bills’ forte. 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

Yes. One play lost us the game. 
 

orrrrrrrr maybe the defense played like *****?  Maybe the defense let up 44  points?

 

And I’m not sure Brady “called out” anyone.  

 

 

good god. 

that was a critical point in the game and prevented us from getting the ball back....no one said one play lost the game. The defense didn't give up 44 points.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

I agree with this. There are lots of examples of great receivers making catch after catch against the Bills. Nacua and Cupp yesterday, Nico Collins until he got hurt in the Texans game, Justin Jefferson, Hopkins, Kelce, and more. Stopping those types of dominant offensive players is not the Bills’ forte. 

How many other teams stop guys like these?  Look at the Rams D yesterday, couldn’t come close to stopping a great player in Josh.

[Livinginthepast]

10 hours ago, BananaB said:

I had no problem accepting the penalty to make it 3rd and 17. Problem was they backed off and gave them an easy completion to get the yards back. Should of been aggressive 

This is what kills me. If your pass rush is non existent, like ours was last night get out of the soft zone and double up Nacua on man coverage. They never seem to learn!

[zow2]

The Bills were intoxicated into thinking the tush-push or whatever it’s called was virtually automatic.  even though it was stuffed at least a couple times yesterday.  The coach panicked and called TO.  I feel they should have had a plan for failed push and they didn’t.

[Ray Stonada]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

How many other teams stop guys like these?  Look at the Rams D yesterday, couldn’t come close to stopping a great player in Josh.

I think great defenses try to take away your best thing and let you try to beat them with your second best. Josh puts you in a bind, though, because if you stop one thing he can do the other. That’s why he’s impossible to stop and is scoring

touchdowns at an unprecedented, historic rate over the last five years. But the Bills’ D too often lets the other offense do their best thing, staying rigidly in their 4-2 nickel.

 

[bmur66]

17 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

I agree with this. There are lots of examples of great receivers making catch after catch against the Bills. Nacua and Cupp yesterday, Nico Collins until he got hurt in the Texans game, Justin Jefferson, Hopkins, Kelce, and more. Stopping those types of dominant offensive players is not the Bills’ forte. 

Wait..... I thought shutting those guys down but giving up runs is their forte. So if it's not shutting down the passing game and it's not stopping the run then what is it? Oh, I get it now. It is hoping for turnovers!

Edited December 9 by bmur66

[Blackbeard]

23 minutes ago, nucci said:

The defense didn't give up 44 points

Huh?

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

Generally our D is a well oiled machine.  Yesterday, they weren’t.  Pair that with Stafford, Pacua and Cupp playing phenomenally, and you see the result.  
 

The anti McD crowd was just waiting on something like this to castigate him again. It’s ridiculous.   

Come on now, that’s a bit over the top, I’m very pro Bills, and the one glaring aspect of this team not getting “over the hump” has been it’s defense in crucial moments in games, it’s just that when the defense fails it is very noticeable, lol, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

I think great defenses try to take away your best thing and let you try to beat them with your second best. Josh puts you in a bind, though, because if you stop one thing he can do the other. That’s why he’s impossible to stop and is scoring

touchdowns at an unprecedented, historic rate over the last five years. But the Bills’ D too often lets the other offense do their best thing, staying rigidly in their 4-2 nickel.

 

I agree with the latter.  I was screaming all day for them to do something different than rush 4 and play zone.