An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

It's the two situations that everyone is debating about the use of time out after the sneak 

I mean where do you get 15seconds

[oldmanfan]

Just now, mike22nc said:

I understand your reason for saying that as a fan of the Bills having watched the game. If that is the mentality of your head coach, it's a problem.

As a coach I would put it on my defense of course.  But regardless we were going to need a miracle to win in that last minute.  

[mike22nc]

6 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Would people rather have which of the following:

 

1 minute left two time outs and an onside kick opportunity needing only 20ish yards to win

 

Or

 

15 seconds no timeouts , needing 45ish to win

Why would you not try the onside kick in the second instance?

[jkeerie]

39 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Last I checked the HEAD Coach is the final line.

McD said in his presser, they did switch to man at times, but were flagged for PI more when they did.  He said they lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  He also believed McV would have gone for it had he declined the penalty based on what the Ram kicker was doing in warmups.

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But also the extra 3rd down play gave them 40 more seconds to run off the clock which absolutely mattered at the end. If the Bills had managed the end of the game appropriately we wouldn't have even needed to onside kick. We would have had all 3 timeouts and like 1:40 left after we scored our final TD.

 

Our decisions in the final minutes turned a winnable game into a certain loss.

The Bills’ D was *SHREDDED* all game long. Starts and ends there. No late-game decision excuses allowed.

Edited December 9 by dave mcbride

[oldmanfan]

Just now, jkeerie said:

McD said in his presser, they did switch to man at times, but were flagged for PI more when they did.  He said they lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  He also believed McV would have gone for it had he declined the penalty based on what the Ram kicker was doing in warmups.

He’s right.  Face it, today their WRs were way better than our DBs and their O line especially was better.  That’s why they won.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

Im not putting the game on McD’s timeout. I’m putting it on our players giving up ridiculous plays over and over again by losing their one-on-one matchups. Something you people keep ignoring. 

9 players on the field for the last play of the game is on the coaches. lol.

 

McD cannot lose. His defense gets gashed, it’s the players fault. The defense plays well, he’s a coaching genius. The offense plays great, it’s because he “developed” Allen. The offense plays terrible, he doesn’t call the offensive plays, it’s not his fault. 
 

He’s unkillable.

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I just listened to McD's presser.  He said in warmups the Ram kicker was shaky beyond the 38 (or it may have been from more than 38 yds).  In any event, because of that he believed McV would have gone for it and not kicked the FG.  That's why he took the penalty.

 

Thanks for sharing. So he thought the defense would hold them to 10 or less yards. He’s more confident in the defense than I was.

[Kelly to Allen]

That defensive performance better not happen in the playoffs. 

 

I'm not saying they have to be great. But that was absolutely horrible.

 

That's all I'm going to say. 

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I mean where do you get 15seconds

No time out if rams move at a decent pace they will be lined up by 40 seconds left

 

We will say they score on the next play - 5 seconds additional with the running clock - we are now down to 35 seconds

 

We kick the ball out of bounds and the rams run three offensive plays - 12 seconds off the clock. Down to 23 seconds left

 

Punt takes an average of 7 seconds down to 15 seconds 

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

But also the extra 3rd down play gave them 40 more seconds to run off the clock which absolutely mattered at the end. If the Bills had managed the end of the game appropriately we wouldn't have even needed to onside kick. We would have had all 3 timeouts and like 1:40 left after we scored our final TD.

 

Our decisions in the final minutes turned a winnable game into a certain loss.

It only made a difference because we played some ridiculous soft zone on 3rd and long, or we didn't stop them on 4th down, or from scoring a TD on that drive, or because we burnt a TO on the goal line for no reason.  So because we failed at 4 other things not accepting the penalty is a thing.  Otherwise it's a fine decision.  I mean you're not without an argument.  I see your point but we had just stopped them the drive before and we were making it 3rd and very long and possibly out of field goal range.  It's more all the mistakes they made after that bother me.

[HappyDays]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The Bills’ D wa *SHREDDED* all game long. Starts and ends there. No late-game decision excuses allowed.

 

Yeah there is nothing but bad things to say about McDermott in this one. His side of the ball was abysmal. The special teams run by the coach he hand selected had multiple critical failures. There were several game management decisions that he utterly botched. You could say McDermott single handedly ruined a historic QB performance. Something he has now done twice in his career.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Im not putting the game on McD’s timeout. I’m putting it on our players giving up ridiculous plays over and over again by losing their one-on-one matchups. Something you people keep ignoring. 

players get beat. They’re not deciding that. He chooses these things. You’re bending over backwards here 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

McD said in his presser, they did switch to man at times, but were flagged for PI more when they did.  He said they lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  He also believed McV would have gone for it had he declined the penalty based on what the Ram kicker was doing in warmups.

Doesnt even matter if they have prime Butker, McVay knew the deal.. don’t give it back to Allen up 6. 
 

McDermott made the right decision accepting the penalty and then played his typical 3rd and long rally to the ball defense, which makes me think he truly didn’t understand what McVay was always going to do. 
 

 

Edited December 9 by SCBills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Marcia actually made the point several times today:  the rams offense was playing on their terms, dictating the game.

[jkeerie]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Thanks for sharing. So he thought the defense would hold them to 10 or less yards. He’s more confident in the defense than I was.

I don't disagree.  In fact, McD trusted his defense AND his offense at the goal line.  He put the game in the hands of his players.  

[<bills4life>]

11 minutes ago, Bills aPHILLYate said:

8 weeks of bliss on this message board out the window just like that lol

 

Just a few more weeks til the playoffs

 

And then we can start all over again. 

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

9 players on the field for the last play of the game is on the coaches. lol.

 

McD cannot lose. His defense gets gashed, it’s the players fault. The defense plays well, he’s a coaching genius. The offense plays great, it’s because he “developed” Allen. The offense plays terrible, he doesn’t call the offensive plays, it’s not his fault. 
 

He’s unkillable.

He has a long leash in my book. Stop blaming players’ individual failures on him. 

2 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

players get beat. They’re not deciding that. He chooses these things. You’re bending over backwards here 

McDermott chooses to allow Douglas to give up that touchdown? Huh?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

McD said in his presser, they did switch to man at times, but were flagged for PI more when they did.  He said they lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  He also believed McV would have gone for it had he declined the penalty based on what the Ram kicker was doing in warmups.

That’s hilarious because even if you accept those excuses it doesn’t cover playing 10 yards off on 3rd down or the goal line blunders 

[finn]

It could be that the Rams exposed what good coaching has covered up all year: that the the Bills defensive personnel just isn't very good. Rapp, Rousseau, Bernard, and Benford are excellent, but the others are average or mediocre (Milano could improve dramatically). In other words, Babich might not be the culprit; in fact, he might be the only thing holding the defense together. 

 

I'm not defending McDermott, though. When the team needs him most, he lets them down. If they win it all, it will be despite his game management, not because of it.