An absolute disaster by the coaches at the end of this game

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

It was an epic failure by McDermott. No way around it. Even McDermotts wife would say he sh*t the bed that game 

And if we win the coin flip and score first does the 13 seconds matter? 

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And if we win the coin flip and score first does the 13 seconds matter? 

Dude🤦‍♂️ I'm a nice guy so will end it respectfully here- In the future if you want to justify McDermott, I would strongly recommend you don't bring up the 13 seconds game to other bills fans to support your argument lol.

 

Have a good night buddy

Edited December 10 by BillsFan130

[The Jokeman]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Dude🤦‍♂️ I'm a nice guy so will end it respectfully here- In the future if want to justify McDermott, I would strongly recommend you don't bring up the 13 seconds game to other bills fans to support your argument lol.

 

Have a good night buddy

My point being yes. McDermott botched the last 13 seconds which lead to a tie but he had no control of the coin flip. Also why do the players get a pass? That's all I'm saying. 

[The Wiz]

28 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

McD hired Farwell then had to fire him. He hired Smiley and likely will fire him after the season.  Maybe McD needs to take a course on hiring better employees?

I think most coaches in the NFL need a course in "Hire the person that I know" if anything.

 

Remember when Rex Ryan claimed "it's not nepotism?" when he hire Rob Ryan as our DC and he couldn't do anything?

 

At some point, every coach is going to fall back into the "devil you know vs the devil you dont" and McD sticking with them, even though they have been bad at times, is giving them a chance to fix it.

 

For fans, no.  That's not acceptable.  Instant gratification is the only true result (AKA fire someone).  So we fire the ST coordinator with 4 games left and then what is going to happen?  Hire a new experienced ST coach?  nope.  Elevate someone else that will result in the ST being better, doubtful.

 

So a firing at this point, when they have clinched the division, are in the playoffs and are likely going to be top 2-3 and have home field until the AFC Championship (cause we call know that KC will luck their way in with a 10-6 game somehow)

 

you don't disrupt it.  You try to fix it.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Get a grip.  The 1985 Bears lost by 14 to Miami in a game in which Steve Fuller started at QB, hardly blown out.   The other teams have rings, when McClappy has one I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, until then, I've seen how this movie ends.

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Which is why it’s infuriating that weren’t even making Superbowls

 

1 hour ago, JTown said:

I’m curious where your confidence in this Defense comes from?  
Most teams have been exploiting our soft zone for years.  
 

I acknowledge that once the opponent get inside the red zone the Bills D does a great job defending the short field.

 

IMO, our pass rush sucks, our ability to stop the run is even worse yet.  So therefore I have little confidence in our current defense heading into the playoffs.  Can we be the Chiefs…. Absolutely.  Can beat the Steelers?  Highly unlikely.  They will gash us run game.  Can we beat the Ravens ?  Extremely unlikely…. Henry will have another field day and when he needs a breather,  Lamar will get plenty of running and passing yards.

 

 Other than our ability to score on most possessions due our amazing QB, I have very little confidence that our Defense can stop any playoff team this year.

 

i have a feeling that Detroit is going to embarrass us next week even if Josh has another “historic “ day.

 

it’s very depressing,  I wish I knew how Josh truly feels today.  He has to be frustrated.

Because in years prior the defense was up to the level needed vs KC in the regular season but injury was a major reason that didn't repeat in the playoffs...

 

Is that optimistic? Yes

 

But I'm sorry, I love our chances with this version of the team and also think some of the concern about game management or some defensive vulnerability is null and void because Josh Allen will simply be too much for other teams. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 10 by Kelly to Allen

[Success]

I think we were all watching that last scoring drive the same way.  Just keep the 3 timeouts....then we've got a chance.

 

Literally, as soon as you use one, your down to a much more improbable onside kick.  You can say that w/ the way our D performed all day, the chances were slim that we'd get a 3 & out - but their O would have been predictable at that point.  

 

It's just basic situational awareness.  

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I think we were all watching that last scoring drive the same way.  Just keep the 3 timeouts....then we've got a chance.

 

Literally, as soon as you use one, your down to a much more improbable onside kick.  You can say that w/ the way our D performed all day, the chances were slim that we'd get a 3 & out - but their O would have been predictable at that point.  

 

It's just basic situational awareness.  

 

It’s really simple. 
 

There’s a reason Brady said “oh no what are they doing” almost immediately lol

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I think we were all watching that last scoring drive the same way.  Just keep the 3 timeouts....then we've got a chance.

 

Literally, as soon as you use one, your down to a much more improbable onside kick.  You can say that w/ the way our D performed all day, the chances were slim that we'd get a 3 & out - but their O would have been predictable at that point.  

 

It's just basic situational awareness.  

 

And as you note even as bad as they played the chance our D stops the Rams from getting that 1st down was always going to be much better then the chances of recovering an onside kick. 

[Buffalo Boy]

7 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Because in years prior the defense was up to the level needed vs KC in the regular season but injury was a major reason that didn't repeat in the playoffs...

 

Is that optimistic? Yes

 

But I'm sorry, I love our chances with this version of the team and also think some of the concern about game management or some defensive vulnerability is null and void because Josh Allen will simply be too much for other teams. 

 

 

 

 

   This is the “ We are always in it with Josh” argument.

   Josh won the 13 Second game. That is the closest we’ve been. Coach lost it. That is the counter to your “ null and void” .

   And, this D is absolutely ripe for the picking by numerous teams in the postseason.

   Is it possible for everything to breaks just right? Yes.

   Is it a high percentage possibility? Not at all.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Success said:

I think we were all watching that last scoring drive the same way.  Just keep the 3 timeouts....then we've got a chance.

 

Literally, as soon as you use one, your down to a much more improbable onside kick.  You can say that w/ the way our D performed all day, the chances were slim that we'd get a 3 & out - but their O would have been predictable at that point.  

 

It's just basic situational awareness.  

 

 

It's why I think it is worse than any other end of game situation the Bills have suffered through. Even 13 seconds. This wasn't just a play call mistake. It was a really basic game management mistake. Once you use a timeout there the game is basically over. It isn't like a playcall that doesn't work, but could in theory have worked if executed differently. The moment you call time out you are dead. 

[philholbroo]

the entire game was a disaster from the coaching; from pregame planning through in-game adjustments. minus brady, he adjusted very well after the first 3 drives.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 12/8/2024 at 6:33 PM, Success said:

Accepting the penalty on the Rams drive.

 

Then, calling TIME OUT.  Could have rushed to the line there & still been able to stop the clock.  That ended the game.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

I agree, this is why McD will never make it to a SB. We are wasting one of the best QB’s the NFL has ever seen. Allen and Ben Johnson would break Marino’s passing records. The Play designs that Ben Johnson would come up with for Allen would be legendary. 

[dave mcbride]

15 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I have already said I would not have called the TO.  This is the second time you refuse to answer the question so I’ll pose it again.   Do you honestly believe we could have scored, stopped them for a 3 and out, then got in position to kick a FG all within time remaining?  Do you honestly believe given how their offense dominated all night that would have happened?

So you're saying you'd rather have zero chance of winning than a small chance of winning?

[GoBills808]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It's why I think it is worse than any other end of game situation the Bills have suffered through. Even 13 seconds. This wasn't just a play call mistake. It was a really basic game management mistake. Once you use a timeout there the game is basically over. It isn't like a playcall that doesn't work, but could in theory have worked if executed differently. The moment you call time out you are dead. 

i said it immediately after it happened

 

that was one of the dumbest things ive ever seen in pro football full stop

[RunTheBall]

Haven’t read the whole thread but I probably agree with the sentiment that it was horrific game management from McD in the last 3 minutes with the biggest error being the TO. If you are going to accept the penalty on 3rd down, WHY PLAY SOFT ZONE. My god that’s 13 seconds all over again. Just assinine.

 

We lost the game on the blocked punt for a TD when Ferguson got absolutely blown up. Horrible time for that to happen.

 

What’s going to cost us in the playoffs is our D-line is underperforming. Oliver has done nothing, Jones is washed, and we have 23 reserve DTs who suck (Carter being the exception but he’s learning). Same old story.

 

 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Most of the hand wringing over the coaching decisions came at a point in the game where there was a 1% chance of winning. The game was lost by the defense being unable to stop the Rams. Period.

 

I kind of didn't mind a loss because we needed to get this stinker out of the way in the regular season. Better now than in January. As long as we learn from this and fix it.

Edited December 10 by PromoTheRobot

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Most of the hand wringing over the coaching decisions came at a point in the game where there was a 1% chance of winning. The game was lost by the defense being unable to stop the Rams. Period.

 

I kind of didn't mind a loss because we needed to get this stinker out of the way in the regular season. Better now than in January. As long as we learn from this and fix it.

way better than 1%

 

espnWP had it at almost 20% if im reading it correctly

[HappyDays]

30 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

We lost the game on the blocked punt for a TD when Ferguson got absolutely blown up. Horrible time for that to happen.

 

Meh. Quite likely the Rams score a TD on that drive anyways but take 5 minutes off the clock instead of 5 seconds. With hindsight getting the ball right back to our offense wasn't a terrible outcome and gave us enough time to try and score at the end of the half (even though we failed, we at least had a chance).

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

way better than 1%

 

espnWP had it at almost 20% if im reading it correctly

What point are we discussing? The holding penalty? The time out at the sneak? The onside kick?

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

What point are we discussing? The holding penalty? The time out at the sneak? The onside kick?

can't exactly zoom in on their graph w my phone rn but im seeing it after we score to make it 42-44