NFL and NFLPA agree to changes in the Marijuana and performance enhancing drug policy.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I totally get that. I actually read a lot of the criticism of his work, and then read a lot of the underlying studies and other studies, and I think Berenson is right. The med maeijuana lobby also understandably has an interest in trying to discredit him.

 

I also have informally talked to some in the substance abuse treatment arena who anecdotally said he’s absolutely right based on their experiences. 
 

Again, I held an opposite view for a while, and have just come full circle based on what I have read so far. So I am always beating this drum when it comes to talking to kids, etc. 

 

This is not the marijuana lobby discrediting him; this is professionals and doctors with far more knowledge than him pointing out how utterly flawed his understanding of statistical studies, causal relationships and science in general is.

I don't believe kids should use cannabis until their brains are fully formed in their 20's so more power to you holding them back.

But please don't bring fatally flawed misinformation into these forums and pass it off as medical evidence and causal connections because those things are simply not true.

[US Egg]

“I used to smoke marijuana. But I’ll tell you something: I would only smoke it in the late evening. Oh, occasionally the early evening, but usually the late evening – or the mid-evening. Just the early evening, midevening and late evening. Occasionally, early afternoon, early midafternoon, or perhaps the late-midafternoon. Oh, sometimes the early-mid-late-early morning. . . . But never at dusk.”

― Steve Martin

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

my view on this has dramatically changed after I read the book “tell your children” by Alex Berenson. The medical evidence is staggering as to the causal connection between THQ And mental illness and violence. Would not want pro football players who may be prone to CTE taking medical marijuna with high quantities of THQ. 

The only mental illness in getting high on weed is thinking gas station hot dogs at 2:00 am is a good idea.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

This is not the marijuana lobby discrediting him; this is professionals and doctors with far more knowledge than him pointing out how utterly flawed his understanding of statistical studies, causal relationships and science in general is.

I don't believe kids should use cannabis until their brains are fully formed in their 20's so more power to you holding them back.

But please don't bring fatally flawed misinformation into these forums and pass it off as medical evidence and causal connections because those things are simply not true.

My intention wasn’t to offend you or anyone else on this; just thought I would

mention why I changed my views on the issue.  But I have spent a lot of time (like hundreds of hours) looking into these issues because I find them to be interesting. That said, I have been wrong on many things!! And I will certainly re-visit my views as I continue to read up on the issue! 
 

[billsfanmiamioh]

34 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

My intention wasn’t to offend you or anyone else on this; just thought I would

mention why I changed my views on the issue.  But I have spent a lot of time (like hundreds of hours) looking into these issues because I find them to be interesting. That said, I have been wrong on many things!! And I will certainly re-visit my views as I continue to read up on the issue! 
 

You can “look into” whatever you want, but if you’re basing your opinions off crap, they’re also crap. 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

my view on this has dramatically changed after I read the book “tell your children” by Alex Berenson. The medical evidence is staggering as to the causal connection between THQ And mental illness and violence. Would not want pro football players who may be prone to CTE taking medical marijuna with high quantities of THQ. 

 

Problem is these days the THC content is 5x or more higher than it normally was because strains are selectively being bred for higher THC content.

 

No different than anything else...if you drank 5x more alcohol or took 5x more acetaminophen or took 5x more Ibuprofen, etc it's going to cause more severe issues that it wouldn't cause at lower doses.

 

People are using the same amount but at 5x higher strengths but yet don't seem to understand why this would be an issue as if weed somehow is different than every other substance in earth in that regard.

Edited December 6 by Big Turk

[Lost]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

This is not the marijuana lobby discrediting him; this is professionals and doctors with far more knowledge than him pointing out how utterly flawed his understanding of statistical studies, causal relationships and science in general is.

I don't believe kids should use cannabis until their brains are fully formed in their 20's so more power to you holding them back.

But please don't bring fatally flawed misinformation into these forums and pass it off as medical evidence and causal connections because those things are simply not true.

 

Sorry mate but the most credentialed scientists and scholars also have biases and donors and this shows up in their own studies and work.  Always good to take in both points of view, do your own research and form your own opinion.  Not just take someone's word solely because of their credentials.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Problem is these days the THC content is 5x or more higher than it normally was because strains are selectively being bred for higher THC content.

 

No different than anything else...if you drank 5x more alcohol or took 5x more acetaminophen or took 5x more Ibuprofen, etc it's going to cause more severe issues that it wouldn't cause at lower doses.

 

People are using the same amount but at 5x higher strengths.

Agreed. I think people assume the THC content is similar to the 1960s era pot. Like you said, it’s way higher. 

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, Lost said:

Sorry mate but the most credentialed scientists and scholars also have biases and donors and this shows up in their own studies and work.  Always good to take in both points of view, do your own research and form your own opinion.

 

I have, which is why I am 100% against people using marijuana until they are well into their 20's and have no history of mood disorders.

The book he was citing is a total fraud based on sociology with zero scientific authenticity.

 

12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think people assume the THC content is similar to the 1960s era pot.

 

30 year olds are comparing it to the pot they were smoking 30 years before they were born? 

 

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

People are using the same amount

 

And how much did they use back then?

 

[BillsShredder83]

9 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Sorry mate but the most credentialed scientists and scholars also have biases and donors and this shows up in their own studies and work.  Always good to take in both points of view, do your own research and form your own opinion.  Not just take someone's word solely because of their credentials.  

This. Look at the medicinal cocaine community, a small group, mainly  consisting of just me. Giant Energy Drink Corporations just want to take away my right to marathon stim fap with the shadow people that come to party right around day 5.

 

Oh im sorry, I thought this was America

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

But nobody cares about it anymore and it's a joke that it still is.

 

Don't get caught in Florida or Georgia.  There still are states in this country that have strict laws.

[Capco]

29 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

the shadow people

I see you've had a run in with them too.  

[GoBills808]

49 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

This. Look at the medicinal cocaine community, a small group, mainly  consisting of just me. Giant Energy Drink Corporations just want to take away my right to marathon stim fap with the shadow people that come to party right around day 5.

 

Oh im sorry, I thought this was America

Real talk

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

Sorry mate but the most credentialed scientists and scholars also have biases and donors and this shows up in their own studies and work.  Always good to take in both points of view, do your own research and form your own opinion.  Not just take someone's word solely because of their credentials.  

 

And this is how we spiral into anti-intellectualism.

 

Can't trust anyone. Doctors, experts, scientists, etc. could all be bad actors, therefore disregard evidence & consensus to go with my gut and/or conspiracy!

[todd]

6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I totally get that. I actually read a lot of the criticism of his work, and then read a lot of the underlying studies and other studies, and I think Berenson is right. The med maeijuana lobby also understandably has an interest in trying to discredit him.

 

I also have informally talked to some in the substance abuse treatment arena who anecdotally said he’s absolutely right based on their experiences. 
 

Again, I held an opposite view for a while, and have just come full circle based on what I have read so far. So I am always beating this drum when it comes to talking to kids, etc. 

 

6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I totally get that. I actually read a lot of the criticism of his work, and then read a lot of the underlying studies and other studies, and I think Berenson is right. The med maeijuana lobby also understandably has an interest in trying to discredit him.

 

I also have informally talked to some in the substance abuse treatment arena who anecdotally said he’s absolutely right based on their experiences. 
 

Again, I held an opposite view for a while, and have just come full circle based on what I have read so far. So I am always beating this drum when it comes to talking to kids, etc. 

if it caused violence and psychosis, we’d see many more cases of it. There just isn’t the scientific or social evidence to support that. 
 

the only thing I’d worry about is hyperemesis syndrome.

[Scott7975]

Personally I don’t think they should test for it at all. It’s way better for them than popping pills for pain. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Did they raise the threshold previously too?   I have not heard of a marijuana suspension in years.  That wr from the browns is the last guy I remember.  Someone they were not testing or enforcing already.   I would have thought this gets bundled with the 18 game schedule or cba change.  Owners will happily exchange money for allowing you to get high.  

[Blackbeard]

10 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

And? 

You don’t want to risk your players having it on them as they enter different states etx.  

Cause you know there will be some oops moments.  
 

then again not sure who is really inspecting their bags etc at airports. 

 

Edited December 6 by Blackbeard

[Pete]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

And so it is not decriminalized everywhere, like the post I responded to stated. It is illegal in the United States of America. Just a fact.

Stupid laws only apply to stupid people that can’t think for themselves.  Example- slavery was legal.  Were you a champion of slavery because it was federally legal?  I don’t need Big Brother filling my head with what to think

[Coffeesforclosers]

Someone tell Mike McDaniel's vape pen!

 

...assuming THC was the only thing in the cartridge.