4th&long Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, IrishLass said: I'm planning to enjoy all four years! It's just going to get better from here. Really? I'm not into the lgbtq crap, don't care for our support transgender. Don't care for all this pronoun bull crap etc... But it had never once made a difference in my day to day life. Same with this birth right business. I never woke up and thought about weather someone had some birthright, I had to go to work, party my bills etc... And these are the first things he is going to have executive orders on? Wonderful. That doesn't help me and it doesn't help you. Hopefully he actually gets to something that would be helpful. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'm wondering what @The Frankish Reich and @ChiGoose think of preemptive pardons and people designated as being above the law? I don't like it. I'm all about snark on a day like this. But here's a serious comment. Obama started it. I'll admit it. The expansion of what were understood to be the limits to Presidential power. He said he was being lobbied hard by immigrant rights groups to give undocumented young people status, but that he couldn't do that without an act of Congress. Then he needed an energized left to beat Romney, and he did exactly what he said he lacked the authority to do. Pen and phone, etc. Trump carried it further in numerous ways, exceeding the long-understood limits to presidential authority. And it led to the ultimate conclusion of his presidency: the notion that the president/vice president can pick and choose which electoral slates to count. Biden took Trump's use of unappropriated funds for political purposes (the wall) a few steps further, with student loan forgiveness, etc. And took the willy-nilly use of the pardon power beyond Trump's summary grants to political dirty tricksters on his side (Manafort/Stone) to preemptive grants to his own family members. The power to pardon is now the power not to undo "errors" of the past, but to direct the future too. And the Supreme Court helped all this along with its creation of a new presidential immunity. I hope someday we'll look back on the period of 2012-now as an aberration in American politics. Both parties have done America and its political institutions a great disservice. Jimmy Carter, our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you?
Orlando Buffalo Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, 4th&long said: I don't have to root for him to fail. That will happen naturally. If you like a rapist narcissistic lying cheating stealing piece of ***** him good for you. He stole from a children's cancer charity for crying out loud! It says more about you because you worship a guy like that. Complete white trash. You are honestly the first person who claims he stole from a children's charity and I can't find any article actually listing what charity it is, could you enlighten me on which charity? 1
4th&long Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said: You are honestly the first person who claims he stole from a children's charity and I can't find any article actually listing what charity it is, could you enlighten me on which charity? One the trump family started. That is why they are not allowed to run a charity anymore. It was a children's cancer charity I believe. Kinda like Trump U. All scams. But you go ahead and support them. Great people they are.
B-Man Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 4TH hitting every thread with his manic delusion. The day continues to get better and better. 1
BillsFanNC Posted 13 hours ago Author Posted 13 hours ago Just now, B-Man said: 4TH hitting every thread with his manic delusion. The day continues to get better and better. And to think with the Bills moving on to the AFC Championship game it has nothing to discuss on the main forum today, only here in the cesspool of PPP where she only comes when they're bored.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 4 minutes ago, 4th&long said: One the trump family started. That is why they are not allowed to run a charity anymore. It was a children's cancer charity I believe. Kinda like Trump U. All scams. But you go ahead and support them. Great people they are. Thought I would help as you make yourself look as dimwitted as possible. No need to thank me. It’s basically a random act of kindness. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/social-posts-distort-facts-on-trump-charities/ 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 9 minutes ago, 4th&long said: One the trump family started. That is why they are not allowed to run a charity anymore. It was a children's cancer charity I believe. Kinda like Trump U. All scams. But you go ahead and support them. Great people they are. I asked what the name of the charity was, bur you can't answer because there is not one. Trump definitely played fast and lose with the tax code in regards to his charity, but the tax code does not bother me.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't like it. I'm all about snark on a day like this. But here's a serious comment. Obama started it. I'll admit it. The expansion of what were understood to be the limits to Presidential power. He said he was being lobbied hard by immigrant rights groups to give undocumented young people status, but that he couldn't do that without an act of Congress. Then he needed an energized left to beat Romney, and he did exactly what he said he lacked the authority to do. Pen and phone, etc. Trump carried it further in numerous ways, exceeding the long-understood limits to presidential authority. And it led to the ultimate conclusion of his presidency: the notion that the president/vice president can pick and choose which electoral slates to count. Biden took Trump's use of unappropriated funds for political purposes (the wall) a few steps further, with student loan forgiveness, etc. And took the willy-nilly use of the pardon power beyond Trump's summary grants to political dirty tricksters on his side (Manafort/Stone) to preemptive grants to his own family members. The power to pardon is now the power not to undo "errors" of the past, but to direct the future too. And the Supreme Court helped all this along with its creation of a new presidential immunity. I hope someday we'll look back on the period of 2012-now as an aberration in American politics. Both parties have done America and its political institutions a great disservice. Jimmy Carter, our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you? Nice write up, thanks. I'm not so sure I understand "...long-understood limits to presidential authority". I've had a couple conversations with you and Chi about the soft, squishy middle of ethical/legal behavior. Chi famously has suggested that in certain circumstances, "...special rules electeds", carry the day. That sounds an awful lot to me like those in power just make crap up as they go based on the standards they choose to follow in the moment. Put another way, when HClinton was screwing around with classified docs and Comey suggested her behavior was illegal but no 'reasonable prosecutor' would prosecute, the thought that occurs to me that which Merrick Garland (and I realize he was not AG at the time) sees as reasonable is likely quite different than what Pam Bondi might. That gives the impression that justice is malleable (it is) and different rules are applied to different people(they are). It sounds to me like you're suggesting what Obama started was unconstitutional and beyond the scope of his powers as president.
4th&long Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I asked what the name of the charity was, bur you can't answer because there is not one. Trump definitely played fast and lose with the tax code in regards to his charity, but the tax code does not bother me. Of course something he did doesn't bother you, I wouldn't expect it to bother Maga. What bothers me, being self employed I got killed in taxes. They would come after me hard. Billionaires like Trump? No one cares. If you were self employed you would care. My wife stayed home with my kids. I supported 6 of us. They would give! $10,000 tax bills I had to pay then. They didn't ask if my kids had food or clothes. I had to cough up for cheaters like you and trump. 29 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: Thought I would help as you make yourself look as dimwitted as possible. No need to thank me. It’s basically a random act of kindness. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/social-posts-distort-facts-on-trump-charities/ You think I'm going to read our believe anything you post? You are dumber than I thought and that is really saying something! Edited 13 hours ago by 4th&long
The Frankish Reich Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It sounds to me like you're suggesting what Obama started was unconstitutional and beyond the scope of his powers as president That's exactly what I'm saying. There's certainly gray areas. I'm not saying everything Obama/Trump/Biden/Trump did/will do in the area of expanding presidential authority is "unconstitutional." But all of the things I pointed to do, at a minimum, violate long-standing understandings of the limits to presidential power. Those understanding - norms - were important, and we're now marching blind into unmapped territory. Note that this is a conservative take, in the sense of "conserve and protect the principles upon which our system of government operates."
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 13 minutes ago, 4th&long said: You think I'm going to read our believe anything you post? You are dumber than I thought or 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: That's exactly what I'm saying. There's certainly gray areas. I'm not saying everything Obama/Trump/Biden/Trump did/will do in the area of expanding presidential authority is "unconstitutional." But all of the things I pointed to do, at a minimum, violate long-standing understandings of the limits to presidential power. Those understanding - norms - were important, and we're now marching blind into unmapped territory. Note that this is a conservative take, in the sense of "conserve and protect the principles upon which our system of government operates." Thankish, Frankish. Assuming you're correct, this is why I simply follow the mindset that voters tend to be very strident when they feel the other party is guilty of wrongdoing, yet quite comfortable when it's their guy pimping the agenda they prefer. So, that brings me to the notion that after the last 4 years of unprecedented legal action by JB against one man, he (JB) would be quite foolish not to unconditionally pardon family members/business associates etc in the future. Trump should follow suit, of course as/if the political landscape changes. This raises another question imo, for a Pres/DOJ(assume Trump here)--assuming wrong-doers (Biden family members or close associates) cannot "be got" due to pardons, does an aggressive prosecutor look for second tier targets for political gain? For example, they look into/around Jill Biden for example, make a case and push forward. Or, they revisit wrongdoing by someone like Hillary Clinton...Ashley Biden (Assuming she wasn't preemptively pardoned of course). It's been ugly the past 4 years but could get much uglier still.
Orlando Buffalo Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 26 minutes ago, 4th&long said: Of course something he did doesn't bother you, I wouldn't expect it to bother Maga. What bothers me, being self employed I got killed in taxes. They would come after me hard. Billionaires like Trump? No one cares. If you were self employed you would care. My wife stayed home with my kids. I supported 6 of us. They would give! $10,000 tax bills I had to pay then. They didn't ask if my kids had food or clothes. I had to cough up for cheaters like you and trump. You think I'm going to read our believe anything you post? You are dumber than I thought and that is really saying something! You seem to have a hatred of government but are directing at the guy who has only been in government for a total of 4 years and was fought every step of the way. If you feel the tax burden in NYS is too high why do you stay? I am sorry that you feel the government has screwed you so badly, but I pay my taxes fully and have literally never taken any deductions beyond the standard, even the year I gave a car away, because I did not get the proper documentation of who received it.
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