Micah Hyde is BACK- Signed to PS

[Mr. WEO]

58 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Just add a quick 10 lbs of muscle by Week 17. No big deal.

that’s my exact routine 

1 hour ago, NickelCity said:

 

He's been doing some but has been running more than he used to, or in higher proportion. I don't think he's so far away that two weeks of heavy lifting and calories won't get him there. 

no chance. 

47 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

 

I don't think he's going to play, despite all the hype. I think this is a locker room move 1st, and then just insurance in case Hamlin, Rapp, and Cole go down. I also think it's McD throwing him a bone and bringing him back for the run since he's well loved by the players and fans. But if he has to play, I think we'll all be disappointed by what we see. There is no way he's in any sort of game shape, and he won't get there between now and January. 

This team/roster is on a roll, why would they need a locker room mascot now?

[Blackbeard]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

that’s my exact routine 

no chance. 

This team/roster is on a roll, why would they need a locker room mascot now?

He's not a mascot.

 

The guy knows our system.  He knows defenses WELL.  He's greatly experienced.  Why wouldn't you bring him back for that?  He's more a mentor/teacher than a mascot.  

 

And if we get down a safety, break glass.  

 

Its a very smart move in my opinion.  Very.

Edited December 6 by Blackbeard

[notpolian]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I've decided I'm rooting for Hyde to be so impressive that he gets himself back on the field

 

In fact, Hyde could be an X factor in the playoffs.....   3 Safety / Dime looks with him being a ball hawk 

I'm glad Hyde is back.  Your comment may be the answer.  I've been thinking along the lines of him taking Hamlin's place, that may be wrong.  Hyde in the dime package come playoff time, now that could be very interesting 🤔.

[Einstein's Dog]

3 hours ago, NickelCity said:

He's thin and needs to lift / put on weight. He mentioned this in his intro press conference.

That's what you came away with from his press conference??  Your comment prompted me to listen to it.  He had personal trainers, was running, and stopped his heavier lifting for a little while in mid-November.  I didn't hear where he said he thought he was too thin or needed to gain weight.  I did hear him say how he felt healthier than he did at this same time last year.

 

One item that seemed noteworthy to me is how the story of him coming back kind of morphed throughout the press conference.  First he didn't want to answer who contacted who, then came up with this half-baked story about some connection when he congratulated Phillips.  Then later in answering other questions, he dropped those pretenses and said things like "after I was contacted"

 

I continue to believe the plan is to have Hyde start for the playoffs.  And I like it!

[NickelCity]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

That's what you came away with from his press conference??  Your comment prompted me to listen to it.  He had personal trainers, was running, and stopped his heavier lifting for a little while in mid-November.  I didn't hear where he said he thought he was too thin or needed to gain weight. 

 

"Once it got to mid November I wouldnt say that I was lifting as heavy, so I feel like at that time I lost a little weight so that's something I'm trying to put back on." 

 

From Micah during his press conference. 

 

He looks healthy and slightly thinner to me. Nothing that can't be worked on.

[Captain_Quint]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

that’s my exact routine 

no chance. 

This team/roster is on a roll, why would they need a locker room mascot now?

More of a coaches assistant than a mascot. Cole and Edwards didn't work out as planned, so Micah makes more sense than some random PS signing this late in the season. 

 

I guess my point is that if it comes down to him playing anytime soon, it won't be a good thing. But his experience in the defense could make up for some of the long ramp up time that it takes to go from the couch to game shape. 

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

that’s my exact routine 

no chance. 

This team/roster is on a roll, why would they need a locker room mascot now?

Why do you think they signed him?

[gonzo1105]

Wonder if Kareem Jackson is a call up this week with Rapp dealing with injury. Gotta have that insurance person in case Hamlin or Bishop get hurt in the game.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

Why do you think they signed him?

I don’t know. Why did they pick Brown and Beasley out of their respective dumpsters late in 2022? 

 

 

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, NickelCity said:

 

"Once it got to mid November I wouldnt say that I was lifting as heavy, so I feel like at that time I lost a little weight so that's something I'm trying to put back on." 

 

From Micah during his press conference. 

 

He looks healthy and slightly thinner to me. Nothing that can't be worked on.

 

I think it needs to be emphasized how some of these guys fine-tune their bodies.  In an interview pre season Terrel Bernard said he was trying out playing heavier this year.  That meant (to him) playing at 227 instead of 225.  Two pounds!   

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I don’t know. Why did they pick Brown and Beasley out of their respective dumpsters late in 2022? 

 

Me!  I can answer that!

They added Brown and then Beasley to their practice squad because after Jake Kumerow was injured then went on IR Week 10, they literally only had 4 WR on the roster and their practice squad call up, Tanner Gentry, 1) had 4 call-ups and could have been poached by anyone looking to mess with the Bills 2) proved inadequate.  Bringing in vets who knew their system and previously had rappore with Allen for their 3 callups each was probably the best of a bunch of crap options.

They were still counting on Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, and Shakir as their game-day stalwarts, but if one of those 4 got hurt or was out for a game, they literally didn't have enough bodies because they started the season with 6 WR but had already lost Jamison Crowder.  So without Kumerow, Then There Were 4.

They could have had Isaiah Hodgins on the roster who seemed more capable, but there was a body-crunch at CB due to designating White to return too early and needing to have him on the roster but not playing for several weeks, while injuries meant we needed to roster a practice squad CB.  So Beane kept the CB and waived Hodgins, and he got poached.

Of course, what Beane should have done when Crowder broke his leg, was trade for someone to backfill starter-level talent at WR.  But if there's one place on the roster where Beane seems to mis-manage or mis-judge talent, it's WR.  He traded for Rasul Douglas, excellent move - but was there not someone better than "off the couch" Brown and Beasley he could have worked a deal for, and not "pipe dream"OBJ?

The situation with Hyde is different.  Our starters and backups are all relatively healthy and available, and our PS guys Jackson and Cine are still with us. 

[Aside: Has anyone else noticed that our PS safety Kareem Jackson is actually 3 years older than Hyde?]

Edited December 7 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Wonder if Kareem Jackson is a call up this week with Rapp dealing with injury. Gotta have that insurance person in case Hamlin or Bishop get hurt in the game.

 

Rapp doesn't have an injury designation, so he's expected to play.  Agree that elevating Jackson seems a likely move though.

[Einstein's Dog]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it needs to be emphasized how some of these guys fine-tune their bodies.  In an interview pre season Terrel Bernard said he was trying out playing heavier this year.  That meant (to him) playing at 227 instead of 225.  Two pounds!   

Yes, and the quote said he lost some weight since mid-November.  This is not some type of wasting away from year to year.  It was two weeks of not lifting heavy- one of those weeks had Thanksgiving in it.

 

And while I'm at it, the "game shape" thing seems completely overblown (if not an outright fallacy) for a Safety.  All football positions are not equal.

 

As to why pick up Hyde,  because he is an excellent player upgrading a position of need!  This is like asking me why get A Cooper, the Bills were doing just fine with the role M Hollins was doing.   It's improvement.  Apparently people see this differently than me, but for me it has looked for some time that Hamlin was the weak link out there.  And Hyde is an excellent player.  While it may be difficult to see, A Cooper has brought the offensive capabilities to another level.  The defensive additions of Milano and Hyde will do the same on that side of the ball.

 

It's starting to look like the plan was to gear up for a second half run - upgrade the WR mid-season, get Milano back, get Hyde back and have a strong second half of the season.  McDermott/Josh surprised everyone by taking this undermanned group to 11-2 prior to being full strength. 

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Yes, and the quote said he lost some weight since mid-November.  This is not some type of wasting away from year to year.  It was two weeks of not lifting heavy- one of those weeks had Thanksgiving in it.

 

And while I'm at it, the "game shape" thing seems completely overblown (if not an outright fallacy) for a Safety.  All football positions are not equal.

 

As to why pick up Hyde,  because he is an excellent player upgrading a position of need!  This is like asking me why get A Cooper, the Bills were doing just fine with the role M Hollins was doing.   It's improvement.  Apparently people see this differently than me, but for me it has looked for some time that Hamlin was the weak link out there.  And Hyde is an excellent player.  While it may be difficult to see, A Cooper has brought the offensive capabilities to another level.  The defensive additions of Milano and Hyde will do the same on that side of the ball.

 

It's starting to look like the plan was to gear up for a second half run - upgrade the WR mid-season, get Milano back, get Hyde back and have a strong second half of the season.  McDermott/Josh surprised everyone by taking this undermanned group to 11-2 prior to being full strength. 

 

I actually don't think for a minute the plan was to upgrade at WR mid-season. 

I think the Houston game showed that if Shakir went down, we simply didn't have enough quality receivers.  Beane's start-of-season plan was to get more quality play from Samuel and MVS and for Kincaid to take a big step in his 2nd season, maybe Tyrell Shavers to be ready to next-man-up.  didn't work that way.  Beane does learn from his mistakes, so to avoid repeating 2022 end-of-season desperation at WR, he got on the phone and got Cooper. 

Maybe injury is holding Samuel back, but he hasn't contributed as expected; MVS didn't work out for whatever reason; Kincaid has taken a 2nd year step back so far.  So with Shakir out, it was a Bad Bad Day at the Office against a very good defense, and a team which has a lot of insight into the Bills offense and defense through Diggs and Settle.

 

Edited December 7 by Beck Water

[Mr. WEO]

53 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Me!  I can answer that!

They added Brown and then Beasley to their practice squad because after Jake Kumerow was injured then went on IR Week 10, they literally only had 4 WR on the roster and their practice squad call up, Tanner Gentry, 1) had 4 call-ups and could have been poached by anyone looking to mess with the Bills 2) proved inadequate.  Bringing in vets who knew their system and previously had rappore with Allen for their 3 callups each was probably the best of a bunch of crap options.

They were still counting on Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, and Shakir as their game-day stalwarts, but if one of those 4 got hurt or was out for a game, they literally didn't have enough bodies because they started the season with 6 WR but had already lost Jamison Crowder.  

They could have had Isaiah Hodgins on the roster who seemed more capable, but there was a body-crunch at CB due to designating White to return too early and needing to have him on the roster but not playing for several weeks, while injuries meant we needed to roster a practice squad CB.  So Beane kept the CB and waived Hodgins, and he got poached.

Of course, what Beane should have done when Crowder broke his leg, was trade for someone to backfill starter-level talent.  But if there's one place on the roster where Beane seems to mis-manage or mis-judge talent, it's WR

The situation with Hyde is different.  Our starters and backups are all relatively healthy and available, and our PS guys Jackson and Cine are still with us. 

[Aside: Has anyone else noticed that our PS safety Kareem Jackson is actually 3 years older than Hyde?]

he picked those two to come back late in the season because “they knew the playbook” I guess, despite all evidence that they (particularly Brown) were washed up.  They really could not have been only two  WR available at the time.  
 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

42 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I actually don't think for a minute the plan was to upgrade at WR mid-season. 

I think the Houston game showed that if Shakir went down, we simply didn't have enough quality receivers.  Beane's start-of-season plan was to get more quality play from Samuel and MVS and for Kincaid to take a big step in his 2nd season, maybe Tyrell Shavers to be ready to next-man-up.  didn't work that way.  Beane does learn from his mistakes, so to avoid repeating 2022 end-of-season desperation at WR, he got on the phone and got Cooper. 

Maybe injury is holding Samuel back, but he hasn't contributed as expected; MVS didn't work out for whatever reason; Kincaid has taken a 2nd year step back so far.  So with Shakir out, it was a Bad Bad Day at the Office against a very good defense, and a team which has a lot of insight into the Bills offense and defense through Diggs and Settle.
 

You think the idea just popped into their head during the Houston game?

 

You think after dealing Diggs they said to each other we'll draft one WR to replace G Davis (as was always the plan) and have MVS and Claypool take Diggs place?  Wow, I can't believe that.

 

I think they were looking/planning the whole time.  They only drafted one WR signaling they didn't want to rebuild but instead stay with a retool, but had cap restrictions.  I thought they would get one with Tre money but that didn't happen.  Then felt they could swing a trade, someone would come available - a DHop/Amari/Kupp/Evans/Metcalf/D Adams. 

 

The above happened and is working and seems like so much of a better plan that I give Beane/McD the benefit of the doubt.  It was risky in that we were shorthanded for the first part of the season.

 

In similar fashion they had Hyde as a play for the end of the season.  They chose to make do with Hamlin filling in the spot until Bishop could take it over.  Bishop isn't ready, and Hamlin was never the answer so the premeditated call back of Hyde is being activated.  Good move.

[Beck Water]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

no chance. 

 

I just want to point out that guys like Jon Feliciano (who came back from Pec surgery earlier than expected) and others have praised the Bills S&C staff for helping them "gain strength rapidly".  In Feliciano's case, the timeframe referenced was 2 weeks, and he was nursing a still-healing injury.

Edited December 7 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

29 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

You think the idea just popped into their head during the Houston game?

 

You think after dealing Diggs they said to each other we'll draft one WR to replace G Davis (as was always the plan) and have MVS and Claypool take Diggs place?  Wow, I can't believe that.

 

I think they were looking/planning the whole time.  They only drafted one WR signaling they didn't want to rebuild but instead stay with a retool, but had cap restrictions.  I thought they would get one with Tre money but that didn't happen.  Then felt they could swing a trade, someone would come available - a DHop/Amari/Kupp/Evans/Metcalf/D Adams. 

 

The above happened and is working and seems like so much of a better plan that I give Beane/McD the benefit of the doubt.  It was risky in that we were shorthanded for the first part of the season.

 

In similar fashion they had Hyde as a play for the end of the season.  They chose to make do with Hamlin filling in the spot until Bishop could take it over.  Bishop isn't ready, and Hamlin was never the answer so the premeditated call back of Hyde is being activated.  Good move.

 

You know, there's a lot of room there between "pre-season, we were always planning to swap a Day 2 pick for a vet WR at mid season in order to be competitive at WR" and "the idea just popped into our head during the Houston game", right?

 

Why on earth would Beane start the season with a roster he thought wasn't good enough to do the job at WR if he intends to contend?  

 

The Bills spent a significant amount of their FA budget on Curtis Samuel.  They gave MVS significant guaranteed money given their limited cap.  All signs point to, going into the season, "we expect these guys to contribute significantly".  

 

I'm sure it was clear from Game 1 that wasn't working out as planned, and I'm sure Beane was keeping feelers out on who might be available and for what price, but yes, I don't think Beane made up his mind to actually swap off a 3rd round pick for Cooper until the Houston debacle.  He might have been dangling a 4th or 5th for someone and the trade partner wanted more.

 

We may just have to agree to disagree here.  I think for a GM to actually go into the season PLANNING that he would be able to swing a mid-season trade for a quality WR (given his limited cap $$) would be roster mishandling in the highest degree (which, some would say Beane was guilty of at WR and they have a point).  OTOH, saying "OK, we've seen these guys we signed contribute at a level we need in previous seasons, but they're not getting 'er done Right Here, Right Now, so I better upgrade, even if it means giving significant resources - that makes sense.
 

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

he picked those two to come back late in the season because “they knew the playbook” I guess, despite all evidence that they (particularly Brown) were washed up.  They really could not have been only two  WR available at the time.  

 

Yes, exactly.  They knew the playbook and had had rappore with Josh.  It was pretty much them, or raid another team's PS and hope the guy you grab is a fast learner.

What Beane should have done IMO is make a move before the trade deadline (start looking as soon as Crowder broke his leg) when he could have looked for a guy who had actually shown he could play, and have a bit of leeway to bring him up to speed in the offense.

Edited December 7 by Beck Water

[Einstein's Dog]

26 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You know, there's a lot of room there between "pre-season, we were always planning to swap a Day 2 pick for a vet WR at mid season in order to be competitive at WR" and "the idea just popped into our head during the Houston game", right?

 

Why on earth would Beane start the season with a roster he thought wasn't good enough to do the job at WR if he intends to contend?  

 

The Bills spent a significant amount of their FA budget on Curtis Samuel.  They gave MVS significant guaranteed money given their limited cap.  All signs point to, going into the season, "we expect these guys to contribute significantly".  

 

I'm sure it was clear from Game 1 that wasn't working out as planned, and I'm sure Beane was keeping feelers out on who might be available and for what price, but yes, I don't think Beane made up his mind to actually swap off a 3rd round pick for Cooper until the Houston debacle.  He might have been dangling a 4th or 5th for someone and the trade partner wanted more.

 

We may just have to agree to disagree here.  I think for a GM to actually go into the season PLANNING that he would be able to swing a mid-season trade for a quality WR (given his limited cap $$) would be roster mishandling in the highest degree (which, some would say Beane was guilty of at WR and they have a point).  OTOH, saying "OK, we've seen these guys we signed contribute at a level we need in previous seasons, but they're not getting 'er done Right Here, Right Now, so I better upgrade, even if it means giving significant resources - that makes sense.
 

It is my contention that it was cap constraints that kept the top tier WR off the roster for so long.  You think it was clear in game 1 now, even though that was one of the better "everyone eats" games?

The C Samuel deal is not really relevant to the Diggs situation, it happened before him. 

MVS and Claypool were given very little money and were always viewed as stop gap measures.

 

Cap constraints along with the monkey wrench that the Diggs situation brought in could make for an out of box solution.  They didn't draft two rookie WRs and that was always a sign to me.  They kept Hydes locker for him and that's another sign. 

 

2024 season was done on an austerity budget with reinforcements coming in late, and yet McDermott has them sitting at 11 and 2.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:22 PM, NORWOODS FOOT said:

How the hell did I miss this until right now?! Welcome back!

 

You're still obsessing on "Wide Right?"

 

On 12/6/2024 at 10:26 AM, Mr. WEO said:

what has he been doing to this point—no lifting and weight gain?  He’s going to start this now?

 

On 12/6/2024 at 10:31 AM, Einstein's Dog said:

Yeah, I thought this was a pre-planned event.  Now their talking about weight changes, at this stage?

 

So you guys think it's inconceivable that he can gain 10 lbs of muscle in 2-3 weeks?

 

21 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

That's what you came away with from his press conference??  Your comment prompted me to listen to it.  He had personal trainers, was running, and stopped his heavier lifting for a little while in mid-November.  I didn't hear where he said he thought he was too thin or needed to gain weight.  I did hear him say how he felt healthier than he did at this same time last year.

 

And Dawkins' comments?

 

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I don’t know. Why did they pick Brown and Beasley out of their respective dumpsters late in 2022?

 

When asked why they brought Hyde back you say "I don't know" and then automatically bring up Brown and Beasley. Then you say the word dumpster.

 

Do you have an opinion on whether bringing Hyde back was a good move?