Micah Hyde is BACK- Signed to PS

[Beck Water]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

Id not replace Hamlin for Hyde. Hamlin has been playing well. He doesn't get enoughh credit here. 

 

He's played behind a porous DL, backup LB's and run avoiding CBs

 

Hyde will get time but I'd make him a package player. And I'd have him ready against Detroit if possible with limited time the last 3 weeks.

 

He is smart enough to matchup against smart QB's. You can't fool him. 

 

But, Hamlin should start. 

 

For whatever it's worth, I agree with you.

 

People give Hamlin grief for staying back and letting up too many yards, but forget that was a Hyde trait as well.  The coaching is "keep it in front of you".

 

Hyde watches incredible amounts of film and is very good at digesting it.  I expect part of his role will be injecting some late-season energy into the DB film sessions for the young guys.

 

1 hour ago, T.E. said:

Zero chance he came back with the intention of sitting on the bench or mentoring younger players. Zero. At the very least, he's been told he will have the opportunity to play, if not start.

 

Listen to the interview I linked and tell me it sounds that way to you.

Edited December 5 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

You know I wonder if that incident was not really psychologically traumatic for him. Because he didn't really experience it. One second he was playing football, the next second he was waking up in a hospital and his face was on the cover of magazines. Like when a player tears their ACL it's hard not to think about it every time they cut on that leg after their long recovery because the memory of the injury is vivid. With Hamlin there is no imprinted memory, nothing that would instinctively make him cringe when he goes to lay a big hit. I'm not taking anything away from his courage stepping back on the football field after going through that, but it's something I've thought about.

 

It's an interesting question.

 

Hamlin himself told teammates it was harder on them than it was on him, because he didn't know anything about it while they had to watch it unfold.

 

That said, there are some interesting learnings about the unconscious state - that patients who are unconscious and later recover can hear and remember things that occurred while they were 'out of it'.  There's also some interesting stuff about somatic memory where people who have no conscious memory of a traumatic event can still register stress responses when put in the location where the event occurred or into a similar situation.  It's not rock-solid research but it's interesting.

 

So as far as the events after his collapse - the CPR and so forth - Hamlin is probably right that it was harder and more traumatic for his teammates than it was for him, for the reasons you cite.  As far as having no imprinted memory, though, I'm not entirely sure about that.  Either imprinted, or just the learned knoweldge of what happened, I think there probably was some stuff Hamlin had to work through when it came to actually giving and taking a hit (he said some stuff in an interview about needing to work through some things last year).

Edited December 5 by Beck Water

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

A practice squad player is officially a free agent, with a few extra wrinkles.  So like any free agent, when a team tries to sign them they can say "no" or "yes".

Back when the Bills were a bad team, they actually had several players they tried to sign off another team's practice squad who said "thanks, I'm Good."

 

There is a minimum salary, but a vet player can be paid more.  I think I heard $890,000 per season is the practice squad maximum, which is pretty much $50k per game.

Doesn’t the team whose PS he’s on get first right of refusal? They can opt to match the offer, no?

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Doesn’t the team whose PS he’s on get first right of refusal? They can opt to match the offer, no?

 

Yes.  But the player can also just say "nope, I'm good, thanks!" and stay on the practice squad.  He's a free agent, he can make his own choice.

 

So when a team tries to sign a player on another team's practice squad, one of three things can happen:

1) player says "nope, I'm good, I'll stay on this practice squad, Thanks"

2) original team says "OK, we'll match them and sign you to our 53 man roster

3) new team signs the player and must pay him as though he's on their 53 man roster for a minimum of 3 games

 

Since rostered players get paid a lot more, a young guy would usually NOT refuse an offer to sign to another team's 53-man - but it has happened when they really feel they have a much better chance to be developed and have a career with the team they're on.

 

[stevestojan]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yes.  But the player can also just say "nope, I'm good, thanks!" and stay on the practice squad.  He's a free agent, he can make his own choice.

 

So when a team tries to sign a player on another team's practice squad, one of three things can happen:

1) player says "nope, I'm good, I'll stay on this practice squad, Thanks"

2) original team says "OK, we'll match them and sign you to our 53 man roster

3) new team signs the player and must pay him as though he's on their 53 man roster for a minimum of 3 games

 

Since rostered players get paid a lot more, a young guy would usually NOT refuse an offer to sign to another team's 53-man - but it has happened when they really feel they have a much better chance to be developed and have a career with the team they're on.

 

This is super interesting and helpful. Thanks for the thorough explanation. 

[BillsFanForever19]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

It may be best if he doesn't see the field?  That means Rapp and Hamlin are healthy and playing at a strong enough level

If he does get out there, maybe just as an extra DB in dime ? 

It's smart to have him here for his leadership, attitude, friendship with the players  (Allen really loves him) 

 

and if need be, he's almost certainly a capable plug and play in a playoff game

[Beck Water]

20 hours ago, turbo044 said:

Nope - Poyer looked shot last year, Hyde still looked good

 

I thought they both looked as though they'd fallen off physically.  But I don't think Hyde is coming back to be a starter.

I think eventually he will be good, but I don't think it's entirely coincidence that the Bills lost the 2 games where Rapp went out with concussion and Bishop played 72% and 100% of the snaps.

Of course correlation is not causation.  Missing Bernard as well for the Ravens game and having him be coming back (too soon?) vs Houston surely didn't help.

 

We'll see how the Bills use Hyde.

 

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

It may be best if he doesn't see the field?  That means Rapp and Hamlin are healthy and playing at a strong enough level

If he does get out there, maybe just as an extra DB in dime ? 

It's smart to have him here for his leadership, attitude, friendship with the players  (Allen really loves him) 

 

and if need be, he's almost certainly a capable plug and play in a playoff game

 

Hyde went from JAG to top-notch when the Bills moved him from nickel/dime (where GB had been playing him) to safety. It wasn't his thing and I don't think that's changed.  I don't think the Bills would elevate him just to take a dime role

I agree, best if Hyde doesn't see the field because the guys who are currently out there continue to be healthy.

Edited December 5 by Beck Water

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

I agree, best if Hyde doesn't see the field because the guys who are currently out there continue to be healthy.

 

If there are no injuries and earliest I see Hyde getting elevated would be the first NE game.

There is that NE, NYJ, NE stretch which some of the vets will get a breather.

It will probably depend on which positions need the rest most.

[GASabresIUFan]

How soon until Hyde joins the coaching staff.

[Warriorspikes51]

13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How soon until Hyde joins the coaching staff.

Asst DB Coach in 2025? 

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I thought they both looked as though they'd fallen off physically.  But I don't think Hyde is coming back to be a starter.

I think eventually he will be good, but I don't think it's entirely coincidence that the Bills lost the 2 games where Rapp went out with concussion and Bishop played 72% and 100% of the snaps.

Of course correlation is not causation.  Missing Bernard as well for the Ravens game and having him be coming back (too soon?) vs Houston surely didn't help.

 

We'll see how the Bills use Hyde.

 

 

Hyde went from JAG to top-notch when the Bills moved him from nickel/dime (where GB had been playing him) to safety. It wasn't his thing and I don't think that's changed.  I don't think the Bills would elevate him just to take a dime role

I agree, best if Hyde doesn't see the field because the guys who are currently out there continue to be healthy.

 

they may elevate him for some game checks though 

[SoonerBillsFan]

34 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How soon until Hyde joins the coaching staff.

That is my hope for him.

[NORWOODS FOOT]

How the hell did I miss this until right now?! Welcome back!

[Beck Water]

44 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Asst DB Coach in 2025? 

 

they may elevate him for some game checks though 

 

They may, but Hyde got "his bag"; there are a bunch of young 'n hungry guys on the PS who've been good soldiers all year.

 

"Need" will drive the decision, but if there's no perceived need, I would expect them to feed the kids first.

[Mat68]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

They may, but Hyde got "his bag"; there are a bunch of young 'n hungry guys on the PS who've been good soldiers all year.

 

"Need" will drive the decision, but if there's no perceived need, I would expect them to feed the kids first.

The Need is behind Hamlin and Rapp.  They have the KC game burned into their heads.  They will do their best to have usable depth.  Safety was the biggest question mark.  Bishop has the tools but doesnt have the trust or instincts yet.  In the playoffs Hyde will be safety 3.  Can fill at either spot.  Eric Weddle played in the super bowl for the Rams.  Same type of thing. 

Edited December 5 by Mat68

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The Need is behind Hamlin and Rapp.  They have the KC game burned into their heads.  They will do their best to have usable depth.  Safety was the biggest question mark.  Bishop has the tools but doesnt have the trust or instincts yet.  In the playoffs Hyde will be safety 3.  Can fill at either spot.  Eric Weddle played in the super bowl for the Rams.  Same type of thing. 

 

I really don't think you're going to see him on the field. Reading between the lines of McDermott's presser and Hyde's presser, juxtaposed with his physical condition - I feel like this is just a move to roster him, possibly get him a ring for his service to the team, provide the team with some more morale in the locker room, and leadership on the sideline.

 

His neck is not in playable shape. As one of the Twitter Doctor's have pointed out, getting stingers post Fusion surgery is GG's. He also looks to have lost a lot of weight since last season. It doesn't look like he's stayed in playing shape in the practically a year since being away from the squad.

 

As i've said earlier - it really wouldn't shock me if you saw Kareem Jackson or Lewis Cine elevated before him if we need Safety help. 

[Warriorspikes51]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I really don't think you're going to see him on the field. Reading between the lines of McDermott's presser and Hyde's presser, juxtaposed with his physical condition - I feel like this is just a move to roster him, possibly get him a ring for his service to the team, provide the team with some more morale in the locker room, and leadership on the sideline.

 

His neck is not in playable shape. As one of the Twitter Doctor's have pointed out, getting stingers post Fusion surgery is GG's. He also looks to have lost a lot of weight since last season. It doesn't look like he's stayed in playing shape in the practically a year since being away from the squad.

 

As i've said earlier - it really wouldn't shock me if you saw Kareem Jackson or Lewis Cine elevated before him if we need Safety help. 

I'm sorry....did you personally give Hyde a physical?  Haha 

These expert takes always go well with a snack of popcorn 🍿

What I gather from your post is....this now means there is a very real chance Hyde takes the field 

Edited December 5 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

40 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I'm sorry....did you personally give Hyde a physical?  Haha 

These expert takes always go well with a snack of popcorn 🍿

 

You don't have to be a Doctor to know that if you have Neck Fusion surgery and miss multiple games when you return to recurring Stingers in the repaired Neck that your neck isn't in great shape.

 

You don't have to do a physical to look at someone in front of a camera to see that someones lost weight. Even Dion Dawkins said he looked like he lost a lot of weight and was telling him he's gotta "get some burgers in him or something".

 

It's possible that he starts conditioning and after a few weeks he'll be in game shape to be called upon if there's an injury. But with McDermott saying "not much" when asked about what his role will be and Hyde saying he has to adapt to his new role - with the shape he's in, it doesn't seem to me right now that this is much more than a player coach role and possibly getting him a ring.

 

I'm not saying he definitively won't see the field. But the idea that he definitively will and will play a large role seems far off to me right now. But by all means, go ahead and treat this like you did Christian Kirksey's Practice Squad signing and balk at the idea that it might not be as big of a thing as you see it as.

Edited December 6 by BillsFanForever19

[Peace Frog]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:09 AM, Process said:

 

 

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[CA OC Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yes.  But the player can also just say "nope, I'm good, thanks!" and stay on the practice squad.  He's a free agent, he can make his own choice.

 

So when a team tries to sign a player on another team's practice squad, one of three things can happen:

1) player says "nope, I'm good, I'll stay on this practice squad, Thanks"

2) original team says "OK, we'll match them and sign you to our 53 man roster

3) new team signs the player and must pay him as though he's on their 53 man roster for a minimum of 3 games

 

Since rostered players get paid a lot more, a young guy would usually NOT refuse an offer to sign to another team's 53-man - but it has happened when they really feel they have a much better chance to be developed and have a career with the team they're on.

 

I'm quite sure you are not correct on #2. I'm pretty sure the original team can make an offer (match or not match), but the player in effect is a free agent to sign to any team's active roster.