With a win this Sunday, Coach McDermott will join some elite company

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

Is it a coincidence that every coach on that list, outside of Landry a million years ago, had either the best or second best QB in the NFL?

 

 

Probably not, as many of those coaches were involved to some degree in choosing that QB, and a great deal in developing him. And a great deal in developing a team around him that puts him in a position to have great success.

 

8 hours ago, agilen said:

Not to be a hater or anything (I’m in the camp that says any replacement will be worse), but his 11th win last year came in week 18. The rest of those guys did it with a 16-game season (or less).

 

 

This is fair. It helps. Still not easy by any means, though.

Edited December 5 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

He's a coach and probably wants one more run I would think. If he stepped away I would agree with you, but he got pushed out. Then Atlanta turned him down. To me, this is a prime spot, step in and get them over the hump if McDermott can't. 

 

 

Gotta disagree there.

 

He's 72. Ten to fifteen years ago, yeah, 100%. But I don't think he is what he was, and maybe not even very close.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Gotta disagree there.

 

He's 72. Ten to fifteen years ago, yeah, 100%. But I don't think he is what he was, and maybe not even very close.

He did take a Mac Jones led team to the playoffs...

 

He's better than 85% of coaches still

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Is Marty Schottenheimer in the HOF?

No

His name is synonymous with an insult when talking about good but not great coaches.

That is the territory that awaits McD.

That isn’t because some Bills fans are curmudgeons. It’s a generally accepted and understood difference between good and great. 
“ You play to win the game.”

Tell that to Walsh/Montana, Belichick/Brady, Reid/Maholmes

 

 

Ok, and tell it to the other great coaches who didn't make the Super Bowl when those guys did.

 

And Schotty was great. You look at his rosters and you see players not good enough to have had the success that Marty brought them to. He was terrific, got teams to overachieve pretty much every single year. He had rosters good enough to win a Super Bowl maybe once or twice in his career. Maybe.

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Harold Jackson said:

You're saying Staubach wasn't the best of the best? 

 

Didn’t he retire after ‘78? Danny White was the QB for two of those years during that stretch. 

[Thurman#1]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He did take a Mac Jones led team to the playoffs...

 

He's better than 85% of coaches still

 

IMO, nah, not 85%. 60 - 70%? Yeah, probably.

 

And yeah, he took a Mac Jones-led team to the playoffs, when he was 69, not 73 as he would be next year. That's a serious difference at that time of life.

 

They won 10 games that year, against only three teams with winning records, one of which was us in the snow game. The Titans win was a pretty solid one, though Tannehill had a pretty crappy game.

 

9-8 Chargers

12-5 Titans

Bills snow game

[Buffalo Boy]

9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Ok, and tell it to the other great coaches who didn't make the Super Bowl when those guys did.

 

And Schotty was great. You look at his rosters and you see players not good enough to have had the success that Marty brought them to. He was terrific, got teams to overachieve pretty much every single year. He had rosters good enough to win a Super Bowl maybe once or twice in his career. Maybe.

But he didn’t win. 
Neither has McD ( so far)

And there is no “maybe” attached to a couple of McD’s rosters being good enough to win a SB.

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

But he didn’t win. 
Neither has McD ( so far)

And there is no “maybe” attached to a couple of McD’s rosters being good enough to win a SB.

 

 

He didn't win? Um, he won huge. Just didn't win a Super Bowl.

 

He was a great coach, absolutely terrific, who didn't win a title..

 

Deny it or not, being in the right situation is a huge, gigantic part of winning.

 

Ask Andy Reid. Ask Bill Belichick. Ask Matt Stafford. And there are hundreds more who could teach you the same thing.

 

 

Edited December 5 by Thurman#1

[SoCal Deek]

We can around and around on this for page after page, but until McD gets his team to a Super Bowl, let alone winning one, his legacy will be doomed as nothing better than a good….but not great coach. Period. 

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

 

And there is no “maybe” attached to a couple of McD’s rosters being good enough to win a SB.

 

Oh, agreed that a couple of McD's rosters have been good enough. Though I'd argue that by the end of the season that was no longer true in one or two of those years due to injuries.

 

If the coin falls on the other side in the overtime coin flip in the 13 seconds game, we're sporting a Lombardi right now at OBD, I believe.

Edited December 5 by Thurman#1

[Mailman]

10 hours ago, US Egg said:

Kinda hope he isn’t playing game 17.

 

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Jeff Fisher, obviously.

 

 

No top coaches. Ralph is cheap

[Harold Jackson]

36 minutes ago, BRH said:

Didn’t he retire after ‘78? Danny White was the QB for two of those years during that stretch. 

He was still the star of his time.

Danny White didn't go to any SBs

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He didn't win? Um, he won huge. Just didn't win a Super Bowl.

 

He was a great coach, absolutely terrific, who didn't win a title..

 

Deny it or not, being in the right situation is a huge, gigantic part of winning.

 

Ask Andy Reid. Ask Bill Belichick. Ask Matt Stafford. And there are hundreds more who could teach you the same thing.

 

 

I don’t have a dog in the fight.

I don’t have a vote for the HOF selection either. 
I never said he wasn’t a good coach. But, someone’s other than me decided he wasn’t elite. 
And I fully agree that Great QBs afford good coaches the opportunity to be great. Which is exactly why McD needs to win at least one SB to attain that status. 

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Oh, agreed that a couple of McD's rosters have been good enough. Though I'd argue that by the end of the season that was no longer true in one or two of those years due to injuries.

 

If the coin falls on the other side in the overtime coin flip in the 13 seconds game, we're sporting a Lombardi right now at OBD, I believe.

It should NEVER have gotten to OT. That falls squarely on McD

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

8 hours ago, Harold Jackson said:

He was still the star of his time.

Danny White didn't go to any SBs

Harold Jackson. that's a good one. did you pick it out of a hat or just came up with the name yourself? Harold Jackson. 🤣

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

21 hours ago, agilen said:

Not to be a hater or anything (I’m in the camp that says any replacement will be worse), but his 11th win last year came in week 18. The rest of those guys did it with a 16-game season (or less).

 

But in Landry's case, no free agency or salary cap so much easier to build a dynasty

[US Egg]

22 hours ago, Logic said:

I'd love to know who people think would walk through the door and be an upgrade over this...

 

He may be in “the club”, but he doesn’t get an executive key.

[frostbitmic]

McD will easily join that club. All of the coaches listed also have a Super Bowl ring, it's time for McD to get his.

[Don Otreply]

23 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yea, this deserves an asterisk. 

 

McD's streak has come with the 17 game regular season, and 2 of the 11+ win seasons he's reached the 11th win in the extra game (2021 and 2023) 

You do realize that only football nerds care about that, right? it’s not like anyone brings up OJs running record in 14 games, it doesn’t matter in today’s world, stop living in the past, oh and get off my Astro turf, 

6 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I don’t have a dog in the fight.

I don’t have a vote for the HOF selection either. 
I never said he wasn’t a good coach. But, someone’s other than me decided he wasn’t elite. 
And I fully agree that Great QBs afford good coaches the opportunity to be great. Which is exactly why McD needs to win at least one SB to attain that status. 

It should NEVER have gotten to OT. That falls squarely on McD

FIRE SOMEBODY NOW!!!! 
 

 

 

 

 

 

🤣😆😂

[T master]

On 12/4/2024 at 11:03 AM, Logic said:

I think this is a pretty jaw-dropping statistic.

I'd love to know who people think would walk through the door and be an upgrade over this...
 

 

 

But he's not worth a flip ! The only thing he can do is win but he can't even get us to a SB what good is he ?

 

Of course i hope you know this is all me just being like those that want him gone .

 

I wouldn't mind to see him retire here in hopes of having 1 or more Lombardi trophies in tow .

 

GO BILLS !!! 

[GASabresIUFan]

On 12/4/2024 at 12:09 PM, FireChans said:

Is it a coincidence that every coach on that list, outside of Landry a million years ago, had either the best or second best QB in the NFL?

Last I look Landry had HOFer Rodger Staubach as his QB for the first 4 of the 5 straight.  Danny White was the QB the next season.  They also had HOFer Tony Dorsett at RB and HOFer Drew Pearson at WR.  No coach wins without top notch players.