McD: Has your view changed?

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

He did nothing in 2024 and I believe he is done, he had his moments but I have TBD posters comparing him to Andre Reed

 

Yeah it's embarrassing. 

 

Shakir has been the better wr for 2 years now. 

Edited December 7 by Kelly to Allen

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

I don't think Beane is ever going to bring in a player again with locker room issues or however you want to call it. He was obviously toxic and I was happy he was traded and I'm glad he's gone.

 

He didn't respect Beane , McDermott or Allen and that's where it ends.

 

There's a reason the teams body language, success, and camaraderie is at an all time high after this clown 🤡 left along with Allen having his best year.

 

You can believe that is a coincidence or things were probably way worse than we'll ever know.

 

Just my 2 cents

I think Beane will certainly be more careful.  He might have taken a rental for the half year knowing the damage would be mitigated if they didn't work out.  I think that is part of the A Cooper hesitation.  Got to see how he fits and if he's real.

[Behindenemylines]

19 minutes ago, Fr. Jerk said:

 

This used to be our HC.

 

Yeah, I'm good with Sean, ya dig?

 Chills seeing this. Chills I tell ya

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

And how did that work out, without the steady hand of McD? Not well.

I am not saying mcdermott doesn't deserve credit for the development of Josh.

 

I am just saying I think a lot people give more credit to Daboll cause he was the OC. If Mcdermott called the plays on offence, then objectively he would have gotten more credit. (like Lafleur with Love, Reid with mahomes, the list goes on)

Edited December 7 by BillsFan130

[DrMaxPower]

49 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I am not saying mcdermott doesn't deserve credit for the development of Josh.

 

I am just saying I think a lot people give more credit to Daboll cause he was the OC. If Mcdermott called the plays on offence, then objectively he would have gotten more credit. (like Lafleur with Love, Reid with mahomes, the list goes on)

Alright, that's fair.

 

I mistook you as part of the group saying he doesn't get credit.

[BillsFan130]

29 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said:

Alright, that's fair.

 

I mistook you as part of the group saying he doesn't get credit.

No sorry, I probably worded it wrong. I definitely see how you thought that 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

I have no problem if you disagree. Don't think that makes you a "homer."

 

Being afraid to have a take is what I take issue with lol.  Calling a hypothetical situation "pretend kid stuff," after engaging in it for 2 pages because he's afraid to go on record is a coward move.

 

Here's all the "pretend kid stuff" that @NewEra was just so above engaging in. Waste of time to even talk about. So childish. Lol.

 

I guess a hypothetical of "if the Niners played in the AFC" isn't playing pretend in the sand, but "how would the Bills do if Shanny was the coach" is basically having an imaginary friend.

 

In a coward because I don’t have an opinion on what shanny would’ve done with Allen as his coach?  You want my honest opinion?  He may have won a Super Bowl.  He may not have.  He may have made a Super Bowl.  He may not have.  He may have done better than mcd.  He may not have.

 

These kind of things matter to some.  They don’t matter to me.  I honestly don’t have opinions on stuff like that.  so that makes me a coward?  🤣 ffs man

[Mister Defense]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

In a coward because I don’t have an opinion on what shanny would’ve done with Allen as his coach?  You want my honest opinion?  He may have won a Super Bowl.  He may not have.  He may have made a Super Bowl.  He may not have.  He may have done better than mcd.  He may not have.

 

These kind of things matter to some.  They don’t matter to me.  I honestly don’t have opinions on stuff like that.  so that makes me a coward?  🤣 ffs man

 

That is what he  and some of the other haters do--ask hypothetical questions, questions that only they have the correct answers to, of course.

 

They do this because their negative views, especially the comically consistent nature of them, with some of them hating on almost every thread, every move the Bills' make, are soo illogical and out of touch  they cannot rely on actual facts and reasoning to make their sad cases.

 

So in an effort to show just how bad the Bills are, strange, loaded hypothetical questions are their saviors.  Pointless.

 

It would cause them to lose every debate in an entry level middle school debate club, but they don't care, as on here they think they can get away with it.

 

It is such a shame.  They should jump on this bandwagon and become Bills' fans. This is such a fun season, run, and it appears to be just getting started...

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8 by Mister Defense

[UKBillFan]

This year was always supposed to be a rebuilding year, as much as the Bills can have one with Josh Allen as QB. As it is, the Bills have still won the division, and comfortably at that - aided by the Jets mess, Dolphins injuries and actually rebuilding Pats.

 

Saying that, he has to get over the hump and I still have doubts whether he will be able to do so. Bizarre decision making is still creeping into the game. The defense still cannot stop the run. They did not look competitive against the Ravens, nor in the first half against the Texans. More often that not, they start the games flat, which they have got away with for the most part this year but margins will be tighter heading into the Super Bowl.

 

I've been critical and had doubts since 13 seconds about whether the Bills would win a ring under him. Although this season has been better than expected, really aided by the arrival of Cooper, has he shown enough development and adjustment against the issues they've had before, particularly on the defensive side? For now, I'm inclined to say no. I hope I'm wrong.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

That is what he  and some of the other haters do--ask hypothetical questions, questions that only they have the correct answers to, of course.

 

They do this because their negative views, especially the comically consistent nature of them, with some of them hating on almost every thread, every move the Bills' make, are soo illogical and out of touch  they cannot rely on actual facts and reasoning to make their sad cases.

 

So in an effort to show just how bad the Bills are, strange, loaded hypothetical questions are their saviors.  Pointless.

 

It would cause them to lose every debate in an entry level middle school debate club, but they don't care, as on here they think they can get away with it.

 

It is such a shame.  They should jump on this bandwagon and become Bills' fans. This is such a fun season, run, and it appears to be just getting started...

 

 

 

 

Yes I agree 💯 with this rationale.

 

in this case- I don’t think firechan is fully representative of this.  He believes in the Bills. I think he just likes to try to “win” every back and forth he’s engages in.  He was backing McD all offseason and I think he believes in him (but I could be wrong).  I feel he’s more anti- Beane than McD.  
 

in this particular case- he chose Shanny over mcd- and is fighting tooth and nail to “win”.  Resorting to the land of make believe and hypothetical opinions in order to do so.  
 

And in this particular case, we can only go by what has actually happened.  And McD/Beane has the highest winning % vs Reid and Mahomes (iirc) currently in the league.  While Shanny is O’fer life and has choked in bad ways.  
 

blame it on not having a QB——but that’s all the more of an indictment of they the COMBO of shanny/lynch is less likely to take them down then our current regime.  They have failed in landing a QB that can overcome their own deficiencies at take down the top dogs-  whereas mcd/beane have drafted a raw QB many thought had little chance to become great- and have developed him so much that he’s now the best player in the league.  Some think that’s all on Josh- some think that a QB needs the proper support and coaching in order to get there.  I’m a believer that a QBs support system is a big part of that (but definitely not all). 
 

the reality is- shabby has choked more than mcd in the playoffs.  13 seconds is a debacle.  28-3 in the Super Bowl is much worse.  The Bills were 2 full games away from a Lombardi.  The falcons were a half away from from winning a Lombardi and shanahans decision making in that entire half is the reason they lose.  Mcd royally screwed up a 13 second instance.  Not an entire half.  Then Shannys poor decision making in both of his Super Bowl appearances led to his team losing both the Reid/mahomes.  
 

yet he thinks my opinion of a make believe scenario would somehow have any relevance.  While my opinion is “maybe- maybe not”- similar to how I feel most people think about this strange

question. 

[Dopey]

In other news, Rex Ryan is practically begging on air for a coaching job. Let that sink in.
In other news, the “I wish we had Shanahan “ crowd are a bunch of clowns. We’re fine with McD. Just fine. 

[PrimeTime101]

he needs to prove he can close tight games in playoffs

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

This year was always supposed to be a rebuilding year, as much as the Bills can have one with Josh Allen as QB. As it is, the Bills have still won the division, and comfortably at that - aided by the Jets mess, Dolphins injuries and actually rebuilding Pats.

 

Saying that, he has to get over the hump and I still have doubts whether he will be able to do so. Bizarre decision making is still creeping into the game. The defense still cannot stop the run. They did not look competitive against the Ravens, nor in the first half against the Texans. More often that not, they start the games flat, which they have got away with for the most part this year but margins will be tighter heading into the Super Bowl.

 

I've been critical and had doubts since 13 seconds about whether the Bills would win a ring under him. Although this season has been better than expected, really aided by the arrival of Cooper, has he shown enough development and adjustment against the issues they've had before, particularly on the defensive side? For now, I'm inclined to say no. I hope I'm wrong.

You say “this was always supposed to be a rebuilding year” and then we play way better than expected, then you criticize the coaching?  
 

 Really aided by the arrival of Cooper?  Cooper and his 10 catches and 1 TD since being here?  He was traded at week 6.  The games without Cooper, we are averaging about 33 ppg.  How is he the reason why we are playing better than expected when he has played 4 games this year?

[BillsFan130]

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

Are we acting like Diggs didn't get a big money extension and demand a trade right after to end up in Buffalo in the first place?

 

You are conflating two very different situations.

 

Giving Diggs an extension was a calculated risk that blew up in Beane's face because he had a known track record of forcing his way out of town even after getting paid.

 

Giving Von a gigantic contract when he was 1000 years old was a calculated risk that blew up in Beane's face because he was a larger injury risk.

 

Giving a player that his earned an extension then that player inexplicably turning into a terrible player is far different.

 

Ultimately, its a results business. You are acting like no one could have seen Von getting hurt or Diggs becoming a cancer (again). You are welcome to read through those threads when those moves were announced. Some loved them and some thought they were mistakes.

 

Beane owns the result. Like every other GM does. Everything he does is his fault, positively or negatively. He doesn't get a pass because he had decent logic behind the idea. Just like no other GM does either. If big splashes are failures, they are failures that he, as the GM, wears.

The Von miller one I can live with- The Bills had a gaping hole at pass rush and Von was just coming off an amazing Super Bowl run with the Rams, so Beane took a gamble. It burned him, But I get why he signed him- For myself I can't get mad at him for taking that swing.

The Diggs extension I 100 percent agree with you on. There was absolutely no reason to do that when he was under contract for multiple years

 

I think the difference is the bills needed to do something big at D line as they were horrible in 2021. But the bills didn't "need" to extend Diggs

Edited December 8 by BillsFan130

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

That is what he  and some of the other haters do--ask hypothetical questions, questions that only they have the correct answers to, of course.

 

They do this because their negative views, especially the comically consistent nature of them, with some of them hating on almost every thread, every move the Bills' make, are soo illogical and out of touch  they cannot rely on actual facts and reasoning to make their sad cases.

 

So in an effort to show just how bad the Bills are, strange, loaded hypothetical questions are their saviors.  Pointless.

 

It would cause them to lose every debate in an entry level middle school debate club, but they don't care, as on here they think they can get away with it.

 

It is such a shame.  They should jump on this bandwagon and become Bills' fans. This is such a fun season, run, and it appears to be just getting started...

 

 

 

 

I think I love the Bills more than you do and know more about them than you do.

[BillsMontreal]

On 12/4/2024 at 3:22 PM, Virgil said:

Can't ever single fanbase in the AFC make the same argument as to why their coach sucks?  No one has gotten past the Chiefs in the last 4 years besides the Bengals. 

 

We aren't an anomaly.  If we were in the NFC or the Reid/Mahomes Era, then I truly believe we would see very different outcomes.

 

With that being said, the output McD has gotten from this team during a "transition" year is fantastic.  Seeing the payoff the depth and experience has paid off, with those such as Ingram, Lewis, Williams, Hamlin, and others really shows how good a job McD and Beane have done here.  Our first run was after they purged us from salary cap hell.  Now they are doing it after building a roster, moving on from some players, and still have created a top 5 team.

 

Yes, I want a Super Bowl, but just because we can't do the one thing lately than no one team has been able to do besides the Chiefs, doesn't mean we failed. 

First, Virgil, you have to know you're one of ma favorite on this board. I dont write a lot of posts (as a french canadian, my english is average at best!), but i read a lot and i almost always read your famous ---in no particular order--.

 

Then, about the Chiefs, i disagre with you.  They are absolutely not the Pats of Brady no matter how many SB they won.

Most of the teams except the Benglas lost against them , but we had a better team. 

It's all about identity, coaching. They played to win all those years and we played to not lose. It is obvious.

 

Last year, we had them. We had the ball for a 2 and 9 to go at the 2 minuts warning in their zone. We just blow it like we blow it in this 13 seconds game. In those games, even if those Chiefs with Mahomes are a great well coach team, the Bills had beat the Bills.

We should had already beat them in playoff and we clearly can beat them. Like i said, they are not the Pats of Brady no matter the stats. It's all bout the eyes test.

 

We just have to play to win, with no fear, no overthinking and soft defense. It's all about the identity.  Others teams should feel fear when they play us. We should'nt. We have a heck of a team again thise year.

 

This year, i feel a change.  Even in that lost against the Texans, we played that game to win.  It was not pretty at all. Allen threw 3 times far in our zone on the last drive without even taking some time on the clock, but, at the end, Mcdermott let the ball to our QB. A couple of first downs and we talked about how we could be in the FG range for the winning 3 points.

They did it in this 4 and 2 against the Chiefs. It was easy to kick the FG and hoping our defense will stop the Chiefs.  They go for win.

And, in most of the game where we took the lead, we didnt play as soft this year as i saw my Bills under Mcdermott era.

It's not that much, but enough to see a change.

 

If we  play to win like that in the playoffs, we have a real chance.  If not...if we played soft to not lose, we gonna lose THE game again.

 

When i saw my team lose a key game in playoff by playing soft and with fear, it's hard!

If we lose by being agressive and trying to win, i can deal with it without any problem as a fan.

 

The identity should be: Bring us those Chiefs.

 

Mcdermott is a real good coach and a great humain being. I cross my fingers. We, Mcdermott-Allen-that team-the Fans, deserve it.

 

 

 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yes I agree 💯 with this rationale.

 

in this case- I don’t think firechan is fully representative of this.  He believes in the Bills. I think he just likes to try to “win” every back and forth he’s engages in.  He was backing McD all offseason and I think he believes in him (but I could be wrong).  I feel he’s more anti- Beane than McD.  
 

in this particular case- he chose Shanny over mcd- and is fighting tooth and nail to “win”.  Resorting to the land of make believe and hypothetical opinions in order to do so.  
 

And in this particular case, we can only go by what has actually happened.  And McD/Beane has the highest winning % vs Reid and Mahomes (iirc) currently in the league.  While Shanny is O’fer life and has choked in bad ways.  
 

blame it on not having a QB——but that’s all the more of an indictment of they the COMBO of shanny/lynch is less likely to take them down then our current regime.  They have failed in landing a QB that can overcome their own deficiencies at take down the top dogs-  whereas mcd/beane have drafted a raw QB many thought had little chance to become great- and have developed him so much that he’s now the best player in the league.  Some think that’s all on Josh- some think that a QB needs the proper support and coaching in order to get there.  I’m a believer that a QBs support system is a big part of that (but definitely not all). 
 

the reality is- shabby has choked more than mcd in the playoffs.  13 seconds is a debacle.  28-3 in the Super Bowl is much worse.  The Bills were 2 full games away from a Lombardi.  The falcons were a half away from from winning a Lombardi and shanahans decision making in that entire half is the reason they lose.  Mcd royally screwed up a 13 second instance.  Not an entire half.  Then Shannys poor decision making in both of his Super Bowl appearances led to his team losing both the Reid/mahomes.  
 

yet he thinks my opinion of a make believe scenario would somehow have any relevance.  While my opinion is “maybe- maybe not”- similar to how I feel most people think about this strange

question. 

I don’t NEED to win. I have just tried to support my opinion this whole time against jackals who try to scoff as if it’s an absurd opinion. 

 

I do believe that Shanny has had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs. 100%.
 

Do you know who also had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs? Andy Reid, before he had a surefire HoF QB playing at a top of the league level.

 

Do you know who never had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs? Bill Belichick, when he had Tom Brady at QB.

The QB elevates everybody. During the drought, EVERYONE understood that. Nothing matters til we find a QB. Well we have. Josh helps McD just like Brady helped Bill and Mahomes helps Andy. It’s why all of their records are much worse without them.

 

So when you take a dude whose biggest black eye is being VERY SUCCESSFUL despite not being able to find a QB, and you combine him with a HoF QB, I think they would have the potential to be the best in the league.

You can take Allen out of it if you wish. I think if Shanny/Lynch finally hit on a QB instead of paying Purdy, I think they will be the NFC dynasty like the Chiefs are to the AFC. Now, maybe they never do hit on a QB because that appears to be their Achilles’ heel and that’s fair.

 

As a corollary here is a thing that I think would be really really bad for the Bills SB chances:

Shanny and Zach Taylor got fired and Shanny went to coach Joe Burrow in Cincy. That would be very very very bad for us imo. 
 

You’re welcome to think whatever you wish. 

[Mister Defense]

Just now, BillsMontreal said:

First, Virgil, you have to know you're one of ma favorite on this board. I dont write a lot of posts (as a french canadian, my english is average at best!), but i read a lot and i almost always read your famous ---in no particular order--.

 

Then, about the Chiefs, i disagre with you.  They are absolutely not the Pats of Brady no matter how many SB they won.

Most of the teams except the Benglas lost against them , but we had a better team. 

It's all about identity, coaching. They played to win all those years and we played to not lose. It is obvious.

 

Last year, we had them. We had the ball for a 2 and 9 to go at the 2 minuts warning in their zone. We just blow it like we blow it in this 13 seconds game. In those games, even if those Chiefs with Mahomes are a great well coach team, the Bills had beat the Bills.

We should had already beat them in playoff and we clearly can beat them. Like i said, they are not the Pats of Brady no matter the stats. It's all bout the eyes test.

 

We just have to play to win, with no fear, no overthinking and soft defense. It's all about the identity.  Others teams should feel fear when they play us. We should'nt. We have a heck of a team again thise year.

 

This year, i feel a change.  Even in that lost against the Texans, we played that game to win.  It was not pretty at all. Allen threw 3 times far in our zone on the last drive without even taking some time on the clock, but, at the end, Mcdermott let the ball to our QB. A couple of first downs and we talked about how we could be in the FG range for the winning 3 points.

They did it in this 4 and 2 against the Chiefs. It was easy to kick the FG and hoping our defense will stop the Chiefs.  They go for win.

And, in most of the game where we took the lead, we didnt play as soft this year as i saw my Bills under Mcdermott era.

It's not that much, but enough to see a change.

 

If we  play to win like that in the playoffs, we have a real chance.  If not...if we played soft to not lose, we gonna lose THE game again.

 

When i saw my team lose a key game in playoff by playing soft and with fear, it's hard!

If we lose by being agressive and trying to win, i can deal with it without any problem as a fan.

 

The identity should be: Bring us those Chiefs.

 

Mcdermott is a real good coach and a great humain being. I cross my fingers. We, Mcdermott-Allen-that team-the Fans, deserve it.

 

 

 

 

A great post.

 

McDermott often says he is still learning, changing, just as he expects his players to always be doing so--no matter their stature, success.

 

And he is not just talking, he clearly means it, clearly is a deep thinking, intelligent, objecitive thinker who knows he needs to constantly get better, grow.

 

And you are right in the changes you have seen.  Less apprehension, less playing it safe, more aggressive.  I think he is hearing what Andy Reid has said about winning in the NFL--step on their throats, take the game into your own hands, that kind of thing.

 

Our coach's philosophy is also now more in step with our quarterback's.  This is a great thing, a championship thing...

 

And your English is better than that of most native born English speakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

There’s no doubt he’s a good coach. I need him to get over the hump and not be outclassed in the playoffs. When he does that he will earn the endorsement.

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t NEED to win. I have just tried to support my opinion this whole time against jackals who try to scoff as if it’s an absurd opinion. 

 

I do believe that Shanny has had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs. 100%.
 

Do you know who also had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs? Andy Reid, before he had a surefire HoF QB playing at a top of the league level.

 

Do you know who never had really bad coaching moments in the playoffs? Bill Belichick, when he had Tom Brady at QB.

The QB elevates everybody. During the drought, EVERYONE understood that. Nothing matters til we find a QB. Well we have. Josh helps McD just like Brady helped Bill and Mahomes helps Andy. It’s why all of their records are much worse without them.

 

So when you take a dude whose biggest black eye is being VERY SUCCESSFUL despite not being able to find a QB, and you combine him with a HoF QB, I think they would have the potential to be the best in the league.

You can take Allen out of it if you wish. I think if Shanny/Lynch finally hit on a QB instead of paying Purdy, I think they will be the NFC dynasty like the Chiefs are to the AFC. Now, maybe they never do hit on a QB because that appears to be their Achilles’ heel and that’s fair.

 

As a corollary here is a thing that I think would be really really bad for the Bills SB chances:

Shanny and Zach Taylor got fired and Shanny went to coach Joe Burrow in Cincy. That would be very very very bad for us imo. 
 

You’re welcome to think whatever you wish. 

Yes-  and you know who else has had bad coaching moments in the playoffs?  Sean McDermott-  and it’s reason we are talking about this.  
 

just so happens McD has proven to be able to beat Reid and Mahomes on a regular basis.  While the guy you’re opining for has a .000 winning percentage against them.  The reason he has 2 Super Bowl appearances under his belt is because he doesn’t have to face Mahomes in the conference playoffs.  
 

Your only defense is “but the QB”.  Yes, McDermott has helped develop a super talented raw prospect into the best player in the league.  Shanny had a chance to develop a similar prospect and he’s now a bum. Who knows what would’ve happened if he had Allen.  Would he have failed in developing him like he did with Lance?  We don’t know-  McDermott developed Allen- and succeeded.  
 

The only ammo you are bringing to this gunfight is “but shanny doesn’t have Josh Allen”.   You’re right, he doesn’t.  And we’ll never know what he can do with him.  But we can pretend ….and that will tell us who’s right…… and if you don’t pretend-  then you’re a hostile coward 🤣 

 

the offensive guru that doesn’t have the offensive horse he needs to win it all vs the defensive guru that doesn’t have the horse he needs to win it all.  

 

McD is a defensive HC that has put the majority of his resources into the D. Those defenses have been ravaged with injuries the last 2 seasons (3 if you include not having our best player, cornerback, in the 13 sec debacle).  We can pretend to know how good McDs defenses would’ve been with bosa, armstead, Hargrave, warner and co.  We know he can make lemonade out of lemon DBs.  
 

but none of that matters…..  it’s fantasy land.  What we KNOW is McDermott HAS actually had much better success vs reid and Mahomes than shanny.  In fact, he’s the only one of the two to have ANY success vs Reid and Mahomes.  But Josh Allen….. which brings us back to fantasy land.  
 

enjoy