McD: Has your view changed?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I vow not to defend him in any form this week. I'm not basing any long term view on last night but I thought he got the decline / accept decision wrong and I know the sneak and timeout decision making at the end was completely inexcusable. 

 

So if people want to pile on him this week, go ahead, he deserves it.

 

Fair and appreciated.

 

And in that same vein, I'm trying hard not to pile on too much considering it was just 1 game while we are already 10-2 and have the Division locked up, and we have seen an overall improvement in his coaching this season up to yesterday.

 

But man, it's frustrating when those same bone-headed moments keep popping back up.

 

While yesterday's coaching debacle doesnt cost us our season, it does likely end our running for the #1 seed.

 

Nothing we can do except get ready for the playoffs and hope (against history) that he has finally learned (not holding my breath).

[Danger Mouse]

It may just be my stupidity. But was the call not Brady's doing? Not the TO call but the sneak?

 

Or does McD just jump in and call the plays in the final few moments of a game? 

 

I know the buck stops with him. But if Brady called the play, it's as much McD's fault as a dropped pass is

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

It may just be my stupidity. But was the call not Brady's doing? Not the TO call but the sneak?

 

Or does McD just jump in and call the plays in the final few moments of a game? 

 

I know the buck stops with him. But if Brady called the play, it's as much McD's fault as a dropped pass is

 

All of those types of decisions go through the HC.

 

It's the HC's job to own the situational football and be instructing his staff on what he wants to do.

 

They are discussing it in the headsets and he hears the play calls. It's ultimately on him. That is why he gets the title and pay of Head Coach.

 

This isnt about execution (dropped pass), it's about decision making.

 

Edited December 9 by DrDawkinstein

[Danger Mouse]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All of those types of decisions go through the HC.

 

It's the HC's job to own the situational football and be instructing his staff on what he wants to do.

 

They are discussing it in the headsets and he hears the play calls. It's ultimately on him. That is why he gets the title and pay of Head Coach.

 

This isnt about execution (dropped pass), it's about decision making.

 

Fair enough. It did seem more likely that I was wrong than everyone else!

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

Fair enough. It did seem more likely that I was wrong than everyone else!

 

All good, you werent really "wrong". It is the OC's call, and it is rare for coaches to step in and change play calls most of the time. But it does happen, and it is on the HC to have his staff prepared for what he wants to do in situations, and be communicating it more when they get into tight spots where the game is on the line.

[Johnnycage46]

At this point, if the Bills ever win a Super Bowl with McD as head coach it will be because they've somehow loaded so much talent on the team that they win despite his coaching...or Allen and the offense score so much that McD's in-game coaching decisions can't contribute to a loss.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All good, you werent really "wrong". It is the OC's call, and it is rare for coaches to step in and change play calls most of the time. But it does happen, and it is on the HC to have his staff prepared for what he wants to do in situations, and be communicating it more when they get into tight spots where the game is on the line.

 

And I haven't seen Sean's presser but didn't he say something to the extent of "I asked for our best play from the 1 yard line"? Which the sneak definitely is.... but not in that game situation! The Head Coach owns that call, whatever Brady thought or called. If you are the HC on the headset and your OC calls a sneak there you kill the call. 

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

At this point, if the Bills ever win a Super Bowl with McD as head coach it will be because they've somehow loaded so much talent on the team that they win despite his coaching...or Allen and the offense score so much that McD's in-game coaching decisions can't contribute to a loss.

 

Or our rivals have a million injuries. With the way Mahomes is getting smacked around, it may actually end up happening. 

[T.E.]

8 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

At this point, if the Bills ever win a Super Bowl with McD as head coach it will be because they've somehow loaded so much talent on the team that they win despite his coaching...or Allen and the offense score so much that McD's in-game coaching decisions can't contribute to a loss.

McDermott coaching in a close Super Bowl is going to end up with me spending the night in jail and/or having a massive stroke.

[Johnnycage46]

3 minutes ago, T.E. said:

McDermott coaching in a close Super Bowl is going to end up with me spending the night in jail and/or having a massive stroke.

 

I can't even imagine how scary that would be. Maybe if that ever happens he'll have a zen moment and just stare off into space and let the game just happen around him lol.

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Or our rivals have a million injuries. With the way Mahomes is getting smacked around, it may actually end up happening. 

 

Honestly, I don't even see KC as the biggest threat in the playoffs. I am more worried about getting past Baltimore (and even Pittsburgh with Wilson's ridiculous deep throws) first. I mean, who knows what will happen, but after yesterday and the Ravens game earlier, there is some serious concern that this type of defensive performance comes back again in the playoffs as the competition ramps up.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

McDermott coaching in a close Super Bowl is going to end up with me spending the night in jail and/or having a massive stroke.

 

Don't worry the Bills will never reach the Super Bowl with McDermott has the HC.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

No, it was not, and no, they didn’t.  

 

That part is hilarious to me. There is no such thing as a "rebuilding" year with an elite QB. You always have a shot with a top 2 (at worst) QB if you haven't completely bungled the roster. 

23 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

At this point, if the Bills ever win a Super Bowl with McD as head coach it will be because they've somehow loaded so much talent on the team that they win despite his coaching...or Allen and the offense score so much that McD's in-game coaching decisions can't contribute to a loss.

 

I've been saying this since 13 seconds. McD is the biggest obstacle for us to win a Super Bowl. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

That part is hilarious to me. There is no such thing as a "rebuilding" year with an elite QB. You always have a shot with a top 2 (at worst) QB if you haven't completely bungled the roster. 

I think he was just trolling…no one with half a brain could have thought this was a “rebuilding year”.

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And I haven't seen Sean's presser but didn't he say something to the extent of "I asked for our best play from the 1 yard line"? Which the sneak definitely is.... but not in that game situation! The Head Coach owns that call, whatever Brady thought or called. If you are the HC on the headset and your OC calls a sneak there you kill the call. 

 

And what a line that bolded statement is from a Head Coach.

 

Oh really, Sean? You asked for our "best play"? How genius of you. Thanks for not asking for our 4th best play. Or our worst play.

 

ANYONE could do that. How about YOU tell your staff what our best play is in that situation!?!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And what a line that bolded statement is from a Head Coach.

 

Oh really, Sean? You asked for our "best play"? How genius of you. Thanks for not asking for our 4th best play. Or our worst play.

 

ANYONE could do that. How about YOU tell your staff what our best play is in that situation!?!

It's 'player execution' adjacent coachspeak

 

Own it. Your biggest moments are your worst. It's not a narrative at this point.

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And what a line that bolded statement is from a Head Coach.

 

Oh really, Sean? You asked for our "best play"? How genius of you. Thanks for not asking for our 4th best play. Or our worst play.

 

ANYONE could do that. How about YOU tell your staff what our best play is in that situation!?!

 

In his mind he is "trusting his assistants"

 

In reality, he is passing the buck because he does not have the fortitude to make the tough choices. The HC needs to make the tough choices.

 

Perhaps he should have said "your best PASS play from the 1"...do not, under any circumstances run the ball here because we need to keep our timeouts if we have any shot to win this thing. That would have been pretty easy to say. 

 

Literally, conversations I have with my OC on my high school staff. We also practice those situations weekly. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I want to pile on but I don't have the energy. 

I would just like for once the McDermott defenders to say when is enough? 

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I want to pile on but I don't have the energy. 

I would just like for once the McDermott defenders to say when is enough? 

I've always said that there may be a time when we move on from McDermott. It might even be the right move. He will go somewhere else and turn that franchise around and turn them into a contender as well.

 

But I wouldn't do it unless we have a couple of poor seasons (missing the playoffs) or if it is clear that he has lost the locker room and confidence of Josh Allen and other team leaders.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

What a shock that the posters (known as haters on here) who are monumentally negative, many to well over 90% of the Bills moves, in games and out, are using this loss, this one loss, in a season when the Bills are 10-3, to lambast McDermott and the Bills.

 

Did anyone expect anything different?

 

What ignorant, hateful posts, once again, by this small group of haters.

 

Shameful.

 

 

 

I'm sure the same thing was said in Tampa Bay in 2002

[zow2]

McDermott is on my sh*t list today.  I always assume he learns from past mistakes or at least has people smarter than him giving him end of game-clock-timeout advice.  I guess not.  Why doesn't Andy Reid ever screw this stuff up?!?