McD: Has your view changed?

[mannc]

Here’s the reality…if not for Josh Allen, by now McDermott would be a defensive back coach somewhere…there are literally dozens of head coaches who could have accomplished what he has to this point with a QB like Josh Allen.

[Roundybout]

No, he’s still a top-10 coach in football and remains a COTY candidate. There is absolutely no viable upgrade out there.

[GunnerBill]

I vow not to defend him in any form this week. I'm not basing any long term view on last night but I thought he got the decline / accept decision wrong and I know the sneak and timeout decision making at the end was completely inexcusable. 

 

So if people want to pile on him this week, go ahead, he deserves it.

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I vow not to defend him in any form this week. I'm not basing any long term view on last night but I thought he got the decline / accept decision wrong and I know the sneak and timeout decision making at the end was completely inexcusable. 

 

So if people want to pile on him this week, go ahead, he deserves it.

I’m as big of a McDermott defender as there is.

 

I think he’s very responsible for setting the culture and building what we have.  And I believe he works incredibly hard and buys into all that process and continuous improvement stuff himself.

 

But how can these same things continue to happen?  You’d think he would learn, this not high level stuff.

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

No, he’s still a top-10 coach in football and remains a COTY candidate. There is absolutely no viable upgrade out there.

Where TF do you get the odds of Coach of the year to say he's a candidate?  Put down the pipe, my dude. Even Tomlin is ahead of him and Tomlin is garbage. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

It was changing, then yesterday happened. 

[boyst]

McDermott is anywhere from +6000 to +10000.  He's not even top 12 on most books. Lolollolollloooollollolll. 

[QCity]

12 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

remains a COTY candidate

 

please stop with this nonsense lol

[mjt328]

I understand the gripes with Sean McDermott's game management.

But I literally see the same kinds of mistakes (or worse) from other coaches around the NFL on a weekly basis.  Including from guys like Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell, etc.   

 

Imagine if Campbell's goofy 4th-Down decision last week backfired, and it ultimately cost the Lions the #1 seed or the division?  Especially after what happened in last year's NFC Championship game.

 

Coaches make huge game-changing decisions every week.  But I don't see anyone who constantly gets things right.

 

[Steve O]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

I’m as big of a McDermott defender as there is.

I think he’s very responsible for setting the culture and building what we have.  And I believe he works incredibly hard and buys into all that process and continuous improvement stuff himself.

But how can these same things continue to happen?  You’d think he would learn, this not high level stuff.

Agreed. He's a great coach Monday thru Saturday. Sunday's aren't his best days. Taking the holding penalty instead of making them make a 4th down decision cost us valuable seconds, even if they would have gotten the first down. Tush push instead of pass play was just plain stupid. You know, coaching.

Edited December 9 by Steve O

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, boyst said:

Where TF do you get the odds of Coach of the year to say he's a candidate?  Put down the pipe, my dude. Even Tomlin is ahead of him and Tomlin is garbage. 

This entire year was supposed to be a rebuilding and retooling year. Many of the big brains here put us down at 7-10 at best. And yet here we are! Earliest that a team has won the division in years. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

I understand the gripes with Sean McDermott's game management.

But I literally see the same kinds of mistakes (or worse) from other coaches around the NFL on a weekly basis.  Including from guys like Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell, etc.   

 

Imagine if Campbell's goofy 4th-Down decision last week backfired, and it ultimately cost the Lions the #1 seed or the division?  Especially after what happened in last year's NFC Championship game.

 

Coaches make huge game-changing decisions every week.  But I don't see anyone who constantly gets things right.

 

 

Campbell's 4th down decision is the exact opposite of what we just saw out of McD.

 

Campbell was aware of all the scenarios and possible outcomes, and made a risky decision based on confidence, aggressiveness, and playing to win. If it backfired, every player and Lions fan would have supported him. Similar to our 4th down decision in the Chiefs game.

 

The continued brain farts out of McDermott are something completely different. This isnt knowing all the scenarios and options and taking risks, this is straight up freezing in the moment.

 

No one is perfect, there are simply too many decisions to make to get them all correct. But please show me which breakdowns directly cost Reid/Harbaugh/Tomlin/Campbell any games? This is more inline with Eberfleus and interim HC mistakes.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

This entire year was supposed to be a rebuilding and retooling year. Many of the big brains here put us down at 7-10 at best. And yet here we are! Earliest that a team has won the division in years. 

What's your point?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Roundybout said:

This entire year was supposed to be a rebuilding and retooling year. Many of the big brains here put us down at 7-10 at best. And yet here we are! Earliest that a team has won the division in years. 

 

McD is not responsible for the rest of the Division having 3 wins.

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

What's your point?

That McD remains a top-10 coach in the NFL. 

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

McD is not responsible for the rest of the Division having 3 wins.

He is when we are responsible for four wins over our division rivals. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

8 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

I understand the gripes with Sean McDermott's game management.

But I literally see the same kinds of mistakes (or worse) from other coaches around the NFL on a weekly basis.  Including from guys like Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell, etc.   

 

Imagine if Campbell's goofy 4th-Down decision last week backfired, and it ultimately cost the Lions the #1 seed or the division?  Especially after what happened in last year's NFC Championship game.

 

Coaches make huge game-changing decisions every week.  But I don't see anyone who constantly gets things right.

 

 

I disagree. 
 

For example, why was Campbell's 4th down decision so goofy? It was 4th and like inches and they have the best O-line in the league with a chance to end the game instead of leaving 40 seconds for the Pack offense that was looking pretty good to come back and tie the game. He's letting the best players on his team decide the game right there. There is logic to it, even if it didn't work. 

 

There is no logic whatsoever for the things McD did last night for example. Accepting the penalty only to run prevent and put them right back into a similar position, in this case even worse, and take more time off the clock. Running a QB sneak from the 1 when we needed to conserve all 3 timeouts to try to get the ball back. Calling a timeout when it didn't work, ending any possibility of getting the ball back without a miracle onside kick. 9 men on the punt return even after the Rams called a timeout for us to get it together. 

 

You can't even make it up. It's not even close to the same thing as a debatable 4th down call. 

[mannc]

9 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

This entire year was supposed to be a rebuilding and retooling year. Many of the big brains here put us down at 7-10 at best. 

No, it was not, and no, they didn’t.  

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

That McD remains a top-10 coach in the NFL. 

He is when we are responsible for four wins over our division rivals. 

by no standard is this true.

 

McVey, Campbell, O'Connel, Tomlin, Payton, Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Jon Gannon, Mat LaFleur, Dan Quinn, Mike Macdonald, DeMeco Ryans, Sirianna,...

 

you know... just to name a few.

 

Personally, I'd not put all of them over McDermott but Vegas sure does.

[mannc]

55 minutes ago, boyst said:

Where TF do you get the odds of Coach of the year to say he's a candidate?  Put down the pipe, my dude. Even Tomlin is ahead of him and Tomlin is garbage. 

I’m pretty sure he’s just trolling…

[Mr. WEO]

nope...that's the guy right there