McD: Has your view changed?

[QCity]

Well, this thread took a turn.

[Doc Brown]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:26 AM, Mikie2times said:

Fielding 9 players does seem a bit excessive with those odds 

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I'm just saying let's not have that mistake distract us from the egregious use of a timeout that took away any reasonable shot we had at the game.

[Mikie2times]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:38 AM, Doc Brown said:

I'm just saying let's not have that mistake distract us from the egregious use of a timeout that took away any reasonable shot we had at the game.

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Sure, it was mostly meaningless  as far as the final outcome. But I take something from it as far as future outcomes. 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Mikie2times

[Buffalo_Stampede]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:35 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

Tom Brady was right. 2 straight tush pushes and burning a stupid TO was terrible.  After the Cooper DPI, Joe should've called 4 straight option throws for Josh from the 1.  Throw it or let Josh roll out and run it in. 

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Zero faith in coaching when games are close at the end. They are actually a liability.

 

I defend McDermott a lot, but we can’t have a head coach that almost always makes poor decisions in these moments.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Buffalo_Stampede

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 12/9/2024 at 1:58 AM, GoBills808 said:

there is still a return man back. i truly dont understand how it isn't communicated to him that he must 100% attempt a return no matter what

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The stupidity of this collective coaching staff is epic. We've watched this same movie over and over.

[Doc Brown]

  On 12/9/2024 at 4:50 AM, Bill51390 said:

If we lose in the playoffs in another one of these games, we really need to consider moving on. He’s a good coach, but if he can’t figure it out by now in these close games than he’s not the answer. 

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The only way that happens after this year is if Josh threatens to request a trade.

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:48 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Zero faith in coaching when games are close at the end. They are actually a liability.

 

I defend McDermott a lot, but we can’t have a head coach that almost always makes poor decisions in these moments.

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I'm done with him. He's literally had 20 chances to learn from his mistakes over these last 8 years.  Now after watching today I can clearly see why Andy fired him. His defense against quality teams usually gets shredded.  Today was no different.  He's failed Josh in so many ways. Just give me Ben Johnson and end this nonsense.  We win because of Josh, not Sean.

[Buffalo Ballin]

We gotta give McDermott the boot.

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:17 AM, Doc Brown said:

Funny but the odds of a blocked punt or punt return for a TD were slim there.  It was practically over when they called the time out on the failed QB sneak on 1st and goal.

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  On 12/9/2024 at 2:05 AM, TheFunPolice said:

I had forgotten how infuriating McDermott's blunders are. 

 

Sure, he is good enough to win a super bowl of we can get there.

 

But there's the rub. 

 

You could replace the AFC champions with the Browns and it would still be a hell of a super bowl 

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How can you forget?  There's like 20 documented blunders and horrible calls / time-outs etc over these last few years. His career of game management error is littered over several games. 13s was his magnum opus.

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:38 AM, Doc Brown said:

I'm just saying let's not have that mistake distract us from the egregious use of a timeout that took away any reasonable shot we had at the game.

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Yes the timeout was stupid but the tush push call on 1st & goal by Brady was even worse. You tell me you can't call 4 straight throw/ run options for Josh that won't make you burn any of your 3 timeouts?  

[SCBills]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:42 AM, Mikie2times said:

Sure, it was mostly meaningless  as far as the final outcome. But I take something from it as far as future outcomes. 

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How was it meaningless?

 

Do you mean to tell me that we have a defensive HC and a healthy defense, and with 3 timeouts and a minute left, down 2… we had zero chance to get the ball back?

[Mikie2times]

  On 12/9/2024 at 6:13 AM, SCBills said:

How was it meaningless?

 

Do you mean to tell me that we have a defensive HC and a healthy defense, and with 3 timeouts and a minute left, down 2… we had zero chance to get the ball back?

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The 9 guys on the punt is what he was talking about. 

[Dr.Sack]

Ok playoff McD showed up today. 

[paulmm3]

McD seems like a below average game day coach, but I'm not sure I know the totality of what he does to prepare the team the rest of the time or how good he is at it. I feel like it's kind of hard for the public to judge a coach because we see so little. But what we do see in terms of a lot of obvious game day stuff sucks.

Edited December 9, 2024 by paulmm3

[Billsatlastin2018]

McClapper is an End of Game buffoon!

 

He still, years after 13 Seconds, does not know what to do or most importantly- definitely what to never do, in the most critical moments!

[DrDawkinstein]

JUST when I think I'm out of the McD Hater club, he goes and pushes me back in!

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by DrDawkinstein

[SoCal Deek]

You have to ask yourself how many times are you going to witness this guy mess up with epic end of game strategic blunders before you realize that he’s TERRIBLE at it? The Bills are not going to, let alone winning, a Super Bowl with McD as the head coach. Period 

Edited December 9, 2024 by SoCal Deek

[Governor]

  On 12/9/2024 at 5:56 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm done with him. He's literally had 20 chances to learn from his mistakes over these last 8 years.  Now after watching today I can clearly see why Andy fired him. His defense against quality teams usually gets shredded.  Today was no different.  He's failed Josh in so many ways. Just give me Ben Johnson and end this nonsense.  We win because of Josh, not Sean.

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Don’t forget Carolina. He did the same thing there but his defensive line was a little better. It’s why I always hated the hire and still hate it.

[MrEpsYtown]

  On 12/9/2024 at 1:29 AM, HappyDays said:

Even putting aside the multiple all-time brain farts, you can't have a defensive head coach and end up with a historically embarrassing result like this. It just can't happen.

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Yeah that's an absolutely absurd stat. It should go right into that thread comparing McD to Tom Landry etc. Reading this thread I am pretty much lock-step with you @HappyDays

 

McDermott just ain't it. And it sucks because he has pulled the team out of that horrible place of purgatory and I loved the hire at the time. But the team is now to the point where they win in spite of him. Josh continues to stay humble and take it on the chin, but he has to know, deep down, that if we had a top coach in here, he likely has already won a Super Bowl. 

 

The way things went down yesterday I would fire him right now. What is different between how he handled the end of that game and how Eberflus handled his? Nothing. Just awful clock management. 

 

But aside from all that, my biggest gripe is just the complacency. I think it was Erin Andrews pregame who said something along the lines of "McDermott met with his team and asked them how they want to handle the last five weeks of the season." Is he serious? I went nuts and my wife yelled at me. The idea that this coach actually brought forth the option to pack it in is lunacy. They should be pedal to the metal, balls to the wall all the time regardless of the opponent or the situation. After hearing that I immediately assumed they would come out flat, and of course they did. And those flat games have just happened so much that you really can only blame one person. 

 

This is Tony Dungy-Jon Gruden, Buck Showalter-Joe Torre, Doug Collins-Phil Jackson. McDermott is literally Tony Dungy...sometimes a guy takes a team as far as he can and a move needs to be made. McDermott is hitting that expiration date. 

[zow2]

I don't feel like looking back but it seems like we lose nearly every big shoot-out game.  The type of game where the winner scores in the high 30's or 40's...and the loser is within 6 points.   or is it like that because the ONLY way teams can beat Allen when he's in superman mode is by winning a shootout?

 

Maybe I'm just jaded and the Bills win their share.  I know Buffalo wins plenty of blowout games by 14+.

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 12/9/2024 at 1:26 PM, zow2 said:

I don't feel like looking back but it seems like we lose nearly every big shoot-out game.  The type of game where the winner scores in the high 30's or 40's...and the loser is within 6 points.   or is it like that because the ONLY way teams can beat Allen when he's in superman mode is by winning a shootout?

 

Maybe I'm just jaded and the Bills win their share.  I know Buffalo wins plenty of blowout games by 14+.

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Allen is ALWAYS in Superman mode, it's just a matter of whether or not the D can get stops. And yesterday they couldnt get a stop to save their lives.