McD: Has your view changed?

[RiotAct]

I don’t fault McD at all for last season’s playoff exit, we were fielding a MASH unit on defense.

 

I’m somewhere between Camp #2 and #3 I guess.

[notpolian]

The Bills have just been too successful to make changes.   But I'm a #4 until the postseason outcomes change.  It would truly be fantastic if he could follow the Andy Reid trajectory, without having to change teams.

[SoCal Deek]

Still hasn’t changed. He needs to get to a Super Bowl. 

[Augie]

I’ve always felt that you hire competent people, and then expect them to get better as they get more experience. This is no different. 

[Mat68]

I look at what games were they “out” coached.  I give him a pass for 22.  I think Mcdermott was the right guy to handle the Hamlin tragedy.  I look at the Cincy game as a team that ran out of emotional gas.  2020 Kc was a better team.  2021 is the game and lightening rod for his criticism.  Hill took it 70 yards and ran past Poyer, Hyde, and White in cover 4 at the 2 min warning.  13 secs was ugly.  He was worried about a walk off td.  It was a hell of a game with Allen and Mahomes playing at an All time elite level at once.  Mahomes got the ball and won.    Last season being down so many starters left them in a position not capable of stopping Kelce.  I mentioned Sean Payton and was dismissed.   Mcdermott is a hell of coach.   Think Allen and him win multiple together.

[Don Otreply]

52 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I feel like prior to the season starting the general vibe around here could fit into four categories 

 

1. Some posters discussed the risk of changing a HC

2. Some felt he would ultimately figure out his postseason issues

3. Some felt his regular season success was enough so far and if nothing else that should buy him more time 

4. Some felt he never would figure it out in the postseason and it was a lost cause

 

I was a #4 (go figure) and still remain in the last group. While thrilled at what we have done this year as I have hope I didn't expect to arrive at this season, nothing we did in the regular season would be able to change where I land in that grouping. We have just been too good in the regular season and that isn't where my concern is.  With all that said, I get a sense that I'm a minority at this point. That based on this years performance McD has largely quieted group #4 and most posters have now shifted into 1, 2, or 3 or at least a combination of them.

 

So I guess it's a two part question here...

 

1. Has the season so far resulted in you shifting from one of the groupings to another?

2. If we lose in the divisional round or earlier will that dramatically impact your perception of Sean and how this season has gone?

 

 

 

What? 
and why do you feel the need to express your known opinion that we should fire the head coach, yet again!

maybe just maybe, giving this fire someone theme a rest while we are riding a 7 game winning streak is a thing…, nuthin but luv,

 

😁👍🍸🚬

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

7 minutes ago, notpolian said:

The Bills have just been too successful to make changes.   But I'm a #4 until the postseason outcomes change.  It would truly be fantastic if he could follow the Andy Reid trajectory, without having to change teams.

I feel like the Andy Reid comparison is the best reason to keep him.  13/14 playoff teams’ seasons end with a loss every year in a game that’s just wild with randomness.  So it’s illogical to think a coach has some ineffable inability to win, rather than that it simply hasn’t happened yet.

 

Rewind to 2004 and you’ll hear a lot of passionate Eagles fans INSISTING that Reid doesn’t have the stuff it takes to win.  Good coach but a loser in the big moments. 
 

Fast forward.  Whoops.

Edited December 3 by SageAgainstTheMachine

[thenorthremembers]

Give them a few weeks and ask again.  Changes with the temper of the day.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

 

I didn't know how old folks typically are here, but I'm old enough to have followed the Bills though most of the team's existence. This regime is as good if not better than we've ever had. You can cling to your negatives if you want. We are in the Golden Age of Bills football. Appreciate it. It's not going to be this way forever. Look at New England.

It would be hard to argue any team in NFL history will be more successful without winning the Super Bowl than those 90's teams. So in my view that success sort of hollows how successful our current run is. Can you possibly beat that team without winning a Super Bowl?

 

Then you look at other times in this franchises history and it's actually rather easy to be bad. You have no expectations of anything when you're bad. In fact if anything your expectations are that you will be bad so even a little good is rather good. It's actually shockingly easy to enjoy bad teams as I'm sure many of us have during the various droughts in this teams history. 

 

Pursuing something you know you don't have is one thing. Such as when a team is bad and is trying to become a contender.  At least you established you don't have it. Everything you're doing is in attempt to get it. Pursuing something you think you have when you really don't is actually pretty tormenting. Which is how McD detractors feel. Like we are stuck in the state of so good nothing will change and just not good enough for anything more. That we will spend what is likely the last franchise QB many of us could see on this coach, again, never getting that trophy. 

 

I don't think it's too complicated to see both perspectives. Both groups certainly love the team and want them to successful. 

[Jerome007]

Fans are just too difficult for their own team. Like women with their spouses ha ha.

 

Do I think he is THE best HC out there? Nope. But being Top 5 is not someone you just fire. Firing is easy, replacing the person fired quite another!

 

He has shown to falter in clutch moments, and that's still scary. But like you guys don't recall how Andy Reid was seen as a playoff loser. Who says that now? Let's just all hope the Bills win the Superbowl and he too can cast aside that label.

 

As for preparation, 2nd half adjustments, leading men, he is among the very best.

[chongli]

For the future: this would have been a good poll question.

[Drew21PA]

29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

 

I didn't know how old folks typically are here, but I'm old enough to have followed the Bills though most of the team's existence. This regime is as good if not better than we've ever had. You can cling to your negatives if you want. We are in the Golden Age of Bills football. Appreciate it. It's not going to be this way forever. Look at New England.

Here’s the thing - I’m thoroughly enjoying this ride for sure

 

the question was if I changed my mind and - though I love winning and watching the best qb to ever play the game - coach has cost us in a major way - I want him to change that - I want him to be the best thing ever here.  
 

I think McDermott is a great dude - BUT I can’t blame others and myself for calling it how it is - until now - and that’s been he can’t seem to make the right decisions to get us to the superbowl 

 

it changes - I hope

[Mikie2times]

Just now, chongli said:

For the future: this would have been a good poll question.

1. Would it be a good poll question?

2. Not really sure if it's a good poll question?

3. I appreciate the suggestion on poll questions

4. I'm cold 

[Big Turk]

Always been about the playoffss in key games. So until he can win those, then no.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

Here’s the thing - I’m thoroughly enjoying this ride for sure

 

the question was if I changed my mind and - though I love winning and watching the best qb to ever play the game - coach has cost us in a major way - I want him to change that - I want him to be the best thing ever here.  
 

I think McDermott is a great dude - BUT I can’t blame others and myself for calling it how it is - until now - and that’s been he can’t seem to make the right decisions to get us to the superbowl 

 

it changes - I hope

 

We have a better chance of winning a Super Bowl now than seasons between 2000 and 2016. Going to the playoffs means you have a shot. I'll take having a shot every year.

[DC Greg]

I’ve been impressed with a lot of his game and personnel management over the course of this winning streak. But that came on the heels of some familiar game management blunders early in the season. It’s disappointing to see that those things still happen with him in year 8. I hope he’s figuring it all out and can put it together for a Super Bowl run. As everyone has said, the playoffs are the test that matters. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, chongli said:

For the future: this would have been a good poll question.

 

Very true! The tricky part would be having the right options. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

I feel like prior to the season starting the general vibe around here could fit into four categories 

 

1. Some posters discussed the risk of changing a HC

2. Some felt he would ultimately figure out his postseason issues

3. Some felt his regular season success was enough so far and if nothing else that should buy him more time 

4. Some felt he never would figure it out in the postseason and it was a lost cause

 

I was a #4 (go figure) and still remain in the last group. While thrilled at what we have done this year as I have hope I didn't expect to arrive at this season, nothing we did in the regular season would be able to change where I land in that grouping. We have just been too good in the regular season and that isn't where my concern is.  With all that said, I get a sense that I'm a minority at this point. That based on this years performance McD has largely quieted group #4 and most posters have now shifted into 1, 2, or 3 or at least a combination of them.

 

So I guess it's a two part question here...

 

1. Has the season so far resulted in you shifting from one of the groupings to another?

2. If we lose in the divisional round or earlier will that dramatically impact your perception of Sean and how this season has gone?

 

 

 

I have always thought McD was in the top 10ish when it came to current NFL coaches.

 

Thats not different today. 
 

I have also had questions whether he and Beane were the right guys to get us past Reid and Mahomes. 

 

That’s also not different today. 
 

If you said, the Bills need a coach to win a random game, who are you taking, imo, McD is high on that list.

 

If you said, the Bills need a GM/HC combo to execute a strategic vision over 4 years culminating in the SB victory, I feel less strongly about their position on that less.

 

If they win one, great. Rooting for all the success in the world. But I have doubts.

[Behindenemylines]

Though I really like the culture he has built and how it’s changed everything in Buffalo , I’ve been concerned with the X’s and O’s of his coaching.  I don’t pretend to know much of anything of that aspect however I question the decision making from my limited vantage

 

lateley I’ve noticed a change in his coaching which more positive and seems in line from his culture building side.   I hope it continues 

 

we will see in the post season but at present my mind is changing from the past “too good to throw away and not good enough to keep” 

[JGMcD2]

This is a serious post, can someone who advocates for the Bills to move on from McDermott please walk me through step-by-step how they’d go about replacing him and who they’d replace him with?