OT: what did you think of the hit on Lawrence?

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

What the hell are you talking about about?

 

This feels a lot like conversations with ex wife #2 and ex wife #4. 

 

Do your thing. It's your hill

What are you talking about? 

 

I agreed with @GunnerBill that I was confusing premeditation with intention 

 

But then you said I'm willing to die on that hill but I agree with him 

 

I just didn't go right to the words dirty for the play.. it was a violent play and a penalty.. unnecessary 

 

I just didn't go right to dirty and then 15 people ganged up on me

 

I think your Hill to die on is just trying to oppose me ... Because I agree with Gunner bill on his point

Edited yesterday at 03:05 AM by Buffalo716

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It was as dirty a play as one could possibly see. Sliding QB. Lunging at him. Hit to the head. Forearm to the head. Perhaps the only way ot woudl have been worse is if it was helmet to helmet wit the crown. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Unlike most people here I actually listen to other people and I have no problem with other people's opinions 

 

I don't attack people just for their opinions like people like to try to gang up on me 

 

Maybe if you didn't cherry pick what you were eating you know I actually agreed.. I just didn't go right to the word dirty because this has happened for a hundred years

What do you want me to say 

 

I literally said it was unnecessary, I said it was a penalty .. I said I do not think it's good for the game 

 

I just did not go right to the word dirty.. there's a lot of other words you could use.. like unnecessary 

 

If you guys want to gang up on me cuz I just don't say dirty lmao unfortunately this does happen in football it's not the first or the last time

Don’t turn this into a gang up thing.

 

You are starting to even sound like Al-Shaiir. “Everybody is ganging up on me!!!!!” 
 

You had a bad take. Everyone disagrees. The play was dirty.
 

Al-Shaiir is likely going to get suspended.

 

Because it was obviously dirty.

 

Unlike every other unnecessary roughness penalty on defenseless sliding QB’s in the NFL in the last 2 seasons at least.
 

Because it was obviously dirty.

 

He was immediately ejected when most players who get flagged for unnecessary roughness don’t.

 

Because it was obviously dirty. 
 

Case closed. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Don’t turn this into a gang up thing.

 

You are starting to even sound like Al-Shaiir. “Everybody is ganging up on me!!!!!” 
 

You had a bad take. Everyone disagrees. The play was dirty.
 

Al-Shaiir is likely going to get suspended.

 

Because it was obviously dirty.

 

Unlike every other unnecessary roughness penalty on defenseless sliding QB’s in the NFL in the last 2 seasons at least.
 

Because it was obviously dirty.

 

He was immediately ejected when most players who get flagged for unnecessary roughness don’t.

 

Because it was obviously dirty. 
 

Case closed. 

I'm not a woe is me guy lol

 

I could give two s**** about what any of you guys think at the end of the day...

 

You have opinions and I have opinions 

 

But I do respect everybody's opinion here

 

I don't go here and spam skeptical faces on post I don't like .. I don't call out posters I don't like 

 

I'm willing to have conversations with everybody and I don't judge people by their opinions

 

FYI everybody does not disagree because there's people in this thread that did agree

Edited yesterday at 03:09 AM by Buffalo716

[EmotionallyUnstable]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

These are some of the best athletes in the world, the idea that they're just flying out of control out there unable to pull out of a routine sliding QB is the non football take tbh

 

Look we all know what happened...divisional rivals, QB known to be injured coming in, all week in prep the defense knows it/heard about it, and he saw an opportunity to put in a really questionable shot. It was a bad play in context and doesn't need to be defended lol

 

This is a massive assumption. Have you read his apology? What makes you think any of this would be true aside from that it supports the notion he was out to injure a player? These are just meaningless headlines.

 

I am defending the player, not the hit. No one wants to see someone noodled on the field. These things happen, especially when you’re playing 100 mph 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

They can fix this by getting rid of the slide rule.

I actually agree with this. Keep the QB protections in the pocket.  Both the hits to the head and below the knee have helped.  But once outside the pocket they are a runner. It is not fair to the defense to have to guess if a QB is going to slide or not. 

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

This is a massive assumption. Have you read his apology? What makes you think any of this would be true aside from that it supports the notion he was out to injure a player? These are just meaningless headlines.

 

I am defending the player, not the hit. No one wants to see someone noodled on the field. These things happen, especially when you’re playing 100 mph 

The assumption that he was out to injure is yours, not mine

 

As for how teams ID opponent's injuries and prep for games I thought that was common knowledge

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Could use context tbh

 

most NFL players don't care if they injure somebody or not. They're trying to win by any means necessary

 

There's a reason guys w injuries get tested in games

There's a difference between what comes with the game.. injuries.. it affects 100% 

 

Versus willingly going out and trying to injure your opponent viciously...

 

It's one thing if you know their corner has a bum hammy... So you attack him on the field because you know he lost some burst... or a wide receiver playing with broken ribs so you hit him hard to make him rethink things... You make them make a business decision

 

Every single NFL player knows what they're signing up for.. potential lifelong pain due to football injuries 

 

That's different than the player who goes out with the intent to seriously hurt other players just too, which doesn't have a part and it never has 

 

Are there some Conrad doublers? Yes... They don't belong in football

Edited yesterday at 03:50 AM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's a difference between what comes with the game.. injuries.. it affects 100% 

 

Versus willingly going out and trying to injure your opponent...

 

Every single NFL player knows what they're signing up for.. potential lifelong pain due to football injuries 

 

That's different than the player who goes out with the intent to seriously hurt other players which doesn't have a part and it never has 

 

Are there some Conrad doublers? Yes... They don't belong in football

I'm saying he and everyone on the Texans defense knows Lawrence was carrying an injury

 

So imo he saw an opportunity to knock him out of the game and guarantee the win vs Mac Jones 

 

And it worked

[skibum]

Stupid hit and worthy of a fine and a suspension? For sure. Intentional? I really like to think not, but who knows. It would take a special kind of sociopath to do something like that with full intent to injure. I just think he was going for a tackle that didn't need to be made in the first place, and that resulted in a very dangerous play. Not malicious, but punishably stupid. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I'm saying he and everyone on the Texans defense knows Lawrence was carrying an injury

 

So imo he saw an opportunity to knock him out of the game and guarantee the win vs Mac Jones 

 

And it worked

I don't really watch Jacksonville so I don't really know their injury history 

 

But certainly every single player on that field knows who is banged up and who is not.. attacking people who are not at 100% is kind of the easiest way to attack a game 

 

You don't go out there best player who's healthy.. you attack the weak link who's banged up

[QCity]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I just didn't go right to the words dirty for the play

 

I just didn't go right to dirty and then 15 people ganged up on me

 

 

I'm not trying to gang up on you, but in the very 1st sentence of your first post you said you didn't think the hit was dirty. And then you followed it up with "It's within the game," which I suppose is open to interpretation. I'd argue that any hit a player gets suspended for is the definition of not being "within the game." Agreed?

 

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

I'm not trying to gang up on you, but in the very 1st sentence of your first post you said you didn't think the hit was dirty. And then you followed it up with "It's within the game," which I suppose is open to interpretation. I'd argue that any hit a player gets suspended for is the definition of not being "within the game." Agreed?

 

 

I did say originally I did not think it was dirty.. and I followed up with it is within the game 

 

Within the game meaning you could see it happen 3 years ago 5 years ago 10 years ago 20 years ago 50 years ago between the whistles

 

It's not something that just magically started happening... Sliding players have been getting blown up for a long time 

 

You could see it in 1970 1980 1990 2000 etc... 

 

Helmet to helmet hits is a part of the game and still happens on every play.. helmets cling every play.. and it's now a penalty to use your crown as a weapon... It's a penalty

 

Penalties are a part of the game 

 

This whole time I've been differentiating real game day penalties between the whistle... Like this unfortunate late hit... 

 

Versus something like McMahon getting dropped on his head after the whistle.. also a penalty , but not within the whistle of the game

 

Will a quarterback get hit while sliding again .. yes... Because it happens ... And the league can now discipline it however they want, but it will happen again

 

Going outside the whistle of the game and dropping a guy on his head is completely not within the realm of the game

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:07 AM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't really watch Jacksonville so I don't really know their injury history 

 

But certainly every single player on that field knows who is banged up and who is not.. attacking people who are not at 100% is kind of the easiest way to attack a game 

 

You don't go out there best player who's healthy.. you attack the weak link who's banged up

For sure

 

I'm not saying targeting injured players is dirty because that's how the league operates, I'm just saying the way he went about it in this particular situation was

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

For sure

 

I'm not saying targeting injured players is dirty because that's how the league operates, I'm just saying the way he went about it in this particular situation was

I'm not going to argue 

 

When I saw it I literally screamed holy s***

 

It was a massive hit.. growing up the son of a coach I just have seen dirtier so that's not the first thing that came to my mind 

 

Though it's certainly is a suspendible offense according to the rules and I hope no NFL quarterback has to take that

 

That hit will literally take a couple years off your life

Edited yesterday at 04:08 AM by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

And this is for all the people thinking I don't listen to people or that I will die on a hill

 

Certainly there is no guideline for what truly is considered dirty or not .. it is all of our opinions 

 

But the one person who's opinion I care about most... My father who coached for 40 years 

 

I called him and asked for his opinion and he said it should be a 4 game suspension while laying out all of his reasons 

 

Now even if I didn't completely agree with everything he said I do agree that the majority of people feel it was really bad 

 

I may be in the minority and I may have a hard head but I do see everybody's point and I have always respected everybody 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

And this is for all the people thinking I don't listen to people or that I will die on a hill

 

Certainly there is no guideline for what truly is considered dirty or not .. it is all of our opinions 

 

But the one person who's opinion I care about most... My father who coached for 50 years 

 

I called him and asked for his opinion and he said it should be a 4 game suspension while laying out all of his reasons 

 

Now even if I didn't completely agree with everything he said I do agree that the majority of people feel it was really bad 

 

I may be in the minority and I may have a hard head but I do see everybody's point and I have always respected everybody 

 

Your father sounds like a smart guy!

 

It’s all just discussion for fun, even if we disagree. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Your father sounds like a smart guy!

 

It’s all just discussion for fun, even if we disagree. 

He said I've been hit in the head too much

[QCity]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

He said I've been hit in the head too much

 

I already said that upthread.

[Buffalo716]

17 hours ago, QCity said:

 

I already said that upthread.

Yeah but the difference is we're on a message board full of opinions 

 

And I've been here a long time and I give everybody a lot of respect while bringing a lot to the table for conversation 

 

And I may occasionally spell a word wrong , or not have the best grammar... Because you know I have so many concussions 

 

Or I might even have a bad take 

 

But I really do try to respect every single person and I'm willing to have good back and forth with anybody and that's why I come to the site 

 

Because outside of the other coaches or scouts that I'm around I can't get good football conversation anywhere but here 

 

So yeah I might have cte but the one thing I still understand is football

 

I know I'm in the minority on the take but I'm also remaining civil and not just freaking out on everybody

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Buffalo716