OT: what did you think of the hit on Lawrence?

[FireChans]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

Any comments on whether Jeffrey Dahmer was really all that bad?  He just wanted to make friends.

Hey now, 2000 years ago Jeffrey Dahmer may have been made king of the Aztecs. He wasn’t all bad!

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I compare it to what someone like Gronk (now America's cute, lovable frat brother) did to Tre.  That was as dirty as dirt gets - premeditated, retaliatory, intentional.

 

This was a guy who made a very poor split-second decision - but it WAS split-second.

 

[Wacka]

What hit Didn't see it or anything about the Jags game on NBC before the Bills. Was putting up and trimming the tree  before the game.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, FireChans said:

How many years ago was it legal to beat your wife?

 

Is this seriously the garbage we are trying to argue right now?

There's no garbage being argued because nobody's pro spousal Abuse

 

This is the most violent sport in the world..  the biggest fastest human beings are in car wrecks 80 plays a game 

 

As I said dirty is when Jim McMahon got picked up and dumped on his head after a play was blown dead.. that's intrinsically dirty 

 

That hit in a game where people are running around 20 miles an hour.. where it's milliseconds...  Is not intrinsically dirty 

 

It is a penalty... The guy certainly did not wake up saying I'm going to murder Trevor Lawrence today 

 

That hit happens at all levels of football from high school to college to the pros all time 

 

It's a penalty within football... It would not have been a penalty 40 years ago 

 

That's why it's not intrinsically dirty... Picking up a player and slamming them on their head was always illegal 

 

He had milliseconds to react to a quarterback where everybody is flying around.. that's the difference 

 

Fine him sure, is it a penalty yes 

 

Saying it is an intrinsically dirty play is wrong because it happens at every level of football for a hundred years.. that kind of stuff happens in football unfortunately because the speed of the game

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's football at the end of the day... No I don't think it's intrinsically dirty

 

It within the game of football and that's why I don't like QBs sliding because it invited that ... You slide super early when there is no danger or you take the hit... Waiting later invites what happened 

 

You can't be afraid to hit QBs... Everybody is afraid to touch mahomes when he's near the sidelines or when they think he's going to slide.. and then he picks up 15 more yards 

 

Was it a penalty? Yes... Does it happen in football, yes

 

 

I don’t buy that in this particular case but everything you said I have definitely seen in other situations. Al-Shaair looked like he repositioned himself/shuffled his feet to get a better hit on a sliding Lawrence it was pretty gross.
 

Felt like he was trying to send the message ‘maybe slide behind the first down line next time or I’m gonna destroy you’. Don’t think he meant to injure him but he definitely meant to get a free shot in on a sliding qb and make it as hard a hit as humanly possible.  

 

Edited December 3 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BananaB]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I find it extremely comical there’s some effort on TBD to defend that play.

 

If someone did that to Josh and concussed him, Bills fans would send death threats.

If Josh is going for the first down he ain’t pushing the limits before he slides, he’s running the guy over.

 

My thought is Trevour tries to get the very most out of the run, if you don’t want to get hit slide earlier. That simple. I agree protecting the QB but it’s also his job to protect himself as well. Defensive players have a hard job, getting out of the way once fully committing to hit isn’t always possible. 

Edited December 3 by BananaB

[QCity]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes it is .. 40 years ago it's not even a penalty 

 

 

Newsflash, it's not 1984.

 

It's absolutely not within the game of football in 2024.

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

There's no garbage being argued because nobody's pro spousal Abuse

 

This is the most violent sport in the world..  the biggest fastest human beings are in car wrecks 80 plays a game 

 

As I said dirty is when Jim McMahon got picked up and dumped on his head after a play was blown dead.. that's intrinsically dirty 

 

That hit in a game where people are running around 20 miles an hour.. where it's milliseconds...  Is not intrinsically dirty 

 

It is a penalty... The guy certainly did not wake up saying I'm going to murder Trevor Lawrence today 

 

That hit happens at all levels of football from high school to college to the pros all time 

 

It's a penalty within football... It would not have been a penalty 40 years ago 

 

That's why it's not intrinsically dirty... Picking up a player and slamming them on their head was always illegal 

 

He had milliseconds to react to a quarterback where everybody is flying around.. that's the difference 

 

Fine him sure, is it a penalty yes 

 

Saying it is an intrinsically dirty play is wrong because it happens at every level of football for a hundred years.. that kind of stuff happens in football unfortunately because the speed of the game

It’s crazy how almost EVERY TIME a QB slides down, almost EVERY OTHER PLAYER is able to resist giving them a forearm shiver to the head.

 

What the ***** are you talking about

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t buy that in this particular case but everything you said I have definitely seen in other situations. Al-Shaair looked like he repositioned himself/shuffled his feet to get a better hit on a sliding Lawrence it was pretty gross.
 

Felt like he was trying to send the message ‘maybe slide behind the first down line next time or I’m gonna destroy you’. Don’t think he meant to injure him but he definitely meant to get a free shot in on a sliding qb and make it as hard a hit as humanly possible 
 

 

There's zero chance that he came into the game thinking I'm going to take off Trevor Lawrence's head 

 

It literally is the world's fastest game with huge humans

[Lost]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

 

Newsflash, it's not 1984.

 

It's absolutely not within the game of football in 2024.

 

Another 10 years there wont be any hitting at all in football at this rate

[Mikie2times]

 

16 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I think the result was worse than the intention. I’m not losing sleep over it 

100%. The sliding QB is just so vulnerable to his head hitting the ground if any downward pressure is applied. This exact play has played itself out a few times now. It looks horribly violent, but occurs without a ton of contact. If you don't fully stop and come over the top even a little the QB is at risk of this occurring. 

Edited December 3 by Mikie2times

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

It’s crazy how almost EVERY TIME a QB slides down, almost EVERY OTHER PLAYER is able to resist giving them a forearm shiver to the head.

 

What the ***** are you talking about

I never said it wasn't a penalty 

 

But to say that quarterbacks sliding and getting hit is not part of the game is crazy 

 

My point is valid.. Jim McMahon getting slammed on his head is dirty 

 

This hit is a penalty but you cannot convince me that he came into the game wanting to kill Trevor Lawrence.. the speed of the game and the milliseconds of reaction created a massive hit 

 

And he may have four armed him in the face 

 

That does not mean he went in the game planning that which would be intrinsically dirty 

 

It happens in football unfortunately

[Beast]

Kiko Alonso gave that hit 2 thumbs up.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, BananaB said:

If Josh is going for the first down he ain’t pushing the limits before he slides, he’s running the guy over.

 

My thought is Trevour tries to get the very most out of the run, if you don’t want to get hit slide earlier. That simple. I agree protecting the QB but it’s also his job to protect himself as well. Defensive players have a hard job, getting out of the way once fully committing to hit isn’t always possible. 

Al-shaair literally looked like he lowered his body a bit to line up the headshot lol getting out of the way was very possible. I see tacklers jump over the qb there consistently 

 

he really wasn’t even running full speed before lunging this portrayal that he was on a collision course before knowing Lawrence would slide feels very inaccurate to me 

Edited December 3 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[QCity]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

But to say that quarterbacks sliding and getting hit is not part of the game is crazy 

 

 

I think someone slammed you on your head too many times 😂

 

That's the entire purpose of a QB sliding.

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I never said it wasn't a penalty 

 

But to say that quarterbacks sliding and getting hit is not part of the game is crazy 

 

My point is valid.. Jim McMahon getting slammed on his head is dirty 

 

This hit is a penalty but you cannot convince me that he came into the game wanting to kill Trevor Lawrence.. the speed of the game and the milliseconds of reaction created a massive hit 

 

And he may have four armed him in the face 

 

That does not mean he went in the game planning that which would be intrinsically dirty 

 

It happens in football unfortunately

He doesn’t have to have come into the game deciding to kill Lawrence for it to be dirty af. 
 

Did the defender come into the game deciding to piledrive McMahon? Maybe, maybe not.

 

Is the burden of proof you have to have planned your dirty hit 3 weeks in advance for it to count?

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Newsflash, it's not 1984.

 

It's absolutely not within the game of football in 2024.

Actually a hit is within the bounds of the game ... Even a helmet to helmet hit is not considered intrinsically dirty because helmets make contact on every play

 

If he took off his helmet and started beating a player with it like Myles Garrett that's not part of football 

 

Playing at full speed and hitting a sliding quarterback even if you made contact with your forearm or even your own helmet is now a penalty... But it is certainly within the bounds of what happens on a football field 

 

If you think that's the first time that's ever happened on a football field your mistaken .. sliding quarterbacks get destroyed a lot

 

 

Just now, QCity said:

 

I think someone slammed you on your head too many times 😂

 

That's the entire purpose of a QB sliding.

Yeah but at the speed of the game the quarterbacks still occasionally get hit 

 

If you don't want to get hit you slide extremely early.. sliding late invites hits 

 

This is a fact

[Success]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

He doesn’t have to have come into the game deciding to kill Lawrence for it to be dirty af. 
 

Did the defender come into the game deciding to piledrive McMahon? Maybe, maybe not.

 

Is the burden of proof you have to have planned your dirty hit 3 weeks in advance for it to count?

 

Piledriving someone is pre-meditated, with intent to hurt.

 

The comparison ends there.

 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He doesn’t have to have come into the game deciding to kill Lawrence for it to be dirty af. 
 

Did the defender come into the game deciding to piledrive McMahon? Maybe, maybe not.

 

Is the burden of proof you have to have planned your dirty hit 3 weeks in advance for it to count?

When that guy body slammed McMahon he knew exactly what he was doing 

 

I guarantee you before that play started that guy just was running around at 100% not thinking he's going to kill Trevor Lawrence

 

He was playing football at full speed

Edited December 3 by Buffalo716

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's zero chance that he came into the game thinking I'm going to take off Trevor Lawrence's head 

 

It literally is the world's fastest game with huge humans

I don’t think he came into the game thinking that lol that’s not what I said.  I’m certain he wanted to send a message on that particular play though to aggressively dissuade trevor from converting third downs with his legs and he went very very overboard 

Edited December 3 by Generic_Bills_Fan