strive_for_five_guy Posted December 4 Posted December 4 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Thats not how it works. These people are not victims. Youre stan'ing for your emotional captor. Couldn't be me. Theres a camera in every pocket, 52k potential witnesses, TV cameras everywhere, security cameras to observe this exact thing. Its been 3 days. Did they double down or back down toning their version down? They counted on people using emotion, first and only, to carry their story. Not one person has corroborated the story. A night when the spotlight of the whole country was in that building. "Its easier to fool someone, than convince them theyve been fooled." You’re expecting the Bills to release video footage on the incident, to prove to people like you that this really happened? You’re going to be waiting for a long time. How about listen to a few of the interviews that the father and daughter gave, so you can appreciate what they’re claiming happened? Yes, the news outlets have done a bad job of explaining what happened, but the story adds up just fine if you listen. Again, where are these witnesses of yours that were there that are claiming the family is lying? So far, it just sounds like an emotional response from you that doesn’t want to hear the real facts. 3 Quote
zow2 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 I already gave my take yesterday on this situation and what i would do to the perpetrator so I won't rehash. But no matter how some Bills fans want to call this out as being hyperbolic and in part a GoFundMe money grab there is still massive negativity among the general public who aren't Bills fans or even football fans for that matter. Almost every post and article I've seen online including Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc.. has no nuance to the story. It's just "Drunk Bills fan pushed a little girl down the stairs". And then shows a picture of the girl in her 49ers hat holding the "I Beat Cancer" sign. In all the comments people are calling the general Bills fans vermin and scumbags and worse. It's pretty bad and I don't think any amount of damage control can fix a reputation. But as usual, time will pass and some other ridiculous stadium story will push this one to the archives of poor fan behavior. 2 1 Quote
Motorin' Posted December 4 Posted December 4 5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: You’re expecting the Bills to release video footage on the incident, to prove to people like you that this really happened? You’re going to be waiting for a long time. How about listen to a few of the interviews that the father and daughter gave, so you can appreciate what they’re claiming happened? Yes, the news outlets have done a bad job of explaining what happened, but the story adds up just fine if you listen. Again, where are these witnesses of yours that were there that are claiming the family is lying? So far, it just sounds like an emotional response from you that doesn’t want to hear the real facts. Between the mom's original post and the dad and daughters interviews, there's four different versions of how it happened. It's the fact that they made a serious claim, and then told three different versions that each backtracked from the seriousness, along with not a single first hand account of anyone seeing it. 2 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 I just want to say it's been 3 days and the biggest news organization with ap writers in Buffalo The Buffalo News... Has not done a story on this Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 4 Posted December 4 9 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: You’re expecting the Bills to release video footage on the incident, to prove to people like you that this really happened? You’re going to be waiting for a long time. How about listen to a few of the interviews that the father and daughter gave, so you can appreciate what they’re claiming happened? Yes, the news outlets have done a bad job of explaining what happened, but the story adds up just fine if you listen. Again, where are these witnesses of yours that were there that are claiming the family is lying? So far, it just sounds like an emotional response from you that doesn’t want to hear the real facts. They’ve told at least four different versions of the story. 1. She was shoved down the stairs. 2. Drunk went around them past the parents and other kid and pushed the girl 3. Guy announced his intentions to push through 49ers fans. 4. Bumped into her and she fell into her seat 5. They also announced their intentions to throw snowballs at them. Where are any witnesses to say it did happen? Still waiting for them. You sound emotional and don’t want to listen to anything else. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Between the mom's original post and the dad and daughters interviews, there's four different versions of how it happened. It's the fact that they made a serious claim, and then told three different versions that each backtracked from the seriousness, along with not a single first hand account of anyone seeing it. Whatever happened, it CLEARLY wasn't what the headline is leading people to believe. There's absolutely no way that if it was what it was framed as that the Bills fan in question would get out in one piece. 1 Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Blaming the victims, very nice. Where is your evidence that this story is not true? Point me to people saying they were witnesses and this family is making this up. Where’s the witnesses and evidence that it actually happened. Still waiting on them. Serious question. Do you really think people went to a Bills game, sat and watched this family the entire time just so they could say nothing happened to them? Nobody is gonna pay attention to them unless there’s a reason like maybe a bills fan pushing their kid down the stairs. Something like that would draw a lot of attention and news of it would have spread throughout the section like wildfire. But nope that didnt happen. Why didn’t it happen? Edited December 4 by Not at the table Karlos Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 4 Posted December 4 3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: They’ve told at least four different versions of the story. 1. She was shoved down the stairs. 2. Drunk went around them past the parents and other kid and pushed the girl 3. Guy announced his intentions to push through 49ers fans. 4. Bumped into her and she fell into her seat 5. They also announced their intentions to throw snowballs at them. Where are any witnesses to say it did happen? Still waiting for them. You sound emotional and don’t want to listen to anything else. If you listen to their interviews, sequence of events is as follows: 1. During first half, at least someone sitting behind them states their intention to throw snowballs at 49er fans during the game. 2. At halftime, family decides they’re ready to leave. While heading down the stairs, a drunk fan behind them states that they’re just going to “push through all these 49er fans”. It was unclear to the father if this is the same person that had been behind them in the seats. 3. Drunk fan pushes past mom and dad, then knocks over daughter when passing her. 4. Daughter falls/slips/whatever into some seat below where she initially was. Luckily, it sounds like daughter only had bruised ribs from the fall, nothing worse. The above sequence includes much of the pieces that you’ve heard. Unfortunately, it took listening to maybe three local news reports to piece this together, so if anything, the reporting could have been way clearer. The pieces add up here, although if someone can produce video or witnesses that watched this family while they were leaving and none of this happened, then I guess we would know for sure they made the whole thing up. Quote
plenzmd1 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: I disagree with it being a money grab. The GoFundMe has been there for more than a year, and the girl/family are evidently known to a respected reporter and founder of a legit nonprofit Hope Rises. I think the family legit had a bad time after trying to give their 49ers fan daughter a "bucket list" experience, and are upset about that. We have no way of knowing how slight a bump it was. It could have been a bump that was deliberate and harder than it needed to be because the guy is a jerk. But, at a crowded event where the stairs are "fall on your ass" slick without any bumps needed, that doesn't amount to assault charges either. And here in lies the problem. Because Glaser reposted the story with nary any confirmation, and doubled down on it with not one single person corroborating the next day. My guess is her friends in the news media not trying to confirm with Bills security or ask anyone to come forward with information is in an effort not to embarrass her. And make no mistake, that woman does nothing without the whole world aware of what she has done. Does not happen if it’s not on socials or the TV. And the go fund me has gone from like $4k to $25k. What is the family gunna do now? Say “ ya know what, we prolly exaggerated the story, but thanks for all you folks giving us $21k anyway. 3 hours ago, boyst said: How'd you get here? Got lost on the way back to RVA. 1 Quote
May Day 10 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) Mia's father explained what led to Sunday night's incident, describing a male Bills fan as being "belligerently drunk" when he barreled past him and his son before shoving Mia to the side and causing her to slip down the stairs and fall into the lap of a 49ers fan. "From the beginning, these folks behind us—I don't know if it was the same guy or not, I didn't pay attention—but they were, on purpose, throwing snowballs at Niner fans. They even said it out loud, 'We're going to be hitting Niner fans in the head all game,'" the elder DeCamilla recalled. "He goes 'Well, I'm going to barrel through these Niner fans anyways.' So, he's coming up and he just starts to barrel through and push people out of the way. He kind of tried to bump into me and got past me, when he got past me, it was Mia and he pushed her in the side, which she slipped down the stairs because of the snow…and ended up hitting her rib cage on the seat." Edited December 4 by May Day 10 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Mia's father explained what led to Sunday night's incident, describing a male Bills fan as being "belligerently drunk" when he barreled past him and his son before shoving Mia to the side and causing her to slip down the stairs and fall into the lap of a 49ers fan. Yet the father or nobody stopped a guy shoving little girls? Bills fans have fought for much less... Much much less Edited December 4 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
Simon Posted December 4 Posted December 4 3 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: The pieces add up here, although if someone can produce video or witnesses that watched this family while they were leaving and none of this happened, then I guess we would know for sure they made the whole thing up. The Bills have undoubtedly been poring over security cam footage for 3 days now. If there was anything problematic, I have to believe that they would have worked with the law to ID and charge this guy, even if with just a Disorderly. If there was nothing to see they are not going to come out and call this family liars; they will just work behind the scenes to keep the blowback to a minimum. For right now, I still have to guess this is a giant nothingburger that everybody involved wants to go away, but the media is like a puppy on a pork chop. 2 5 Quote
Motorin' Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Whatever happened, it CLEARLY wasn't what the headline is leading people to believe. There's absolutely no way that if it was what it was framed as that the Bills fan in question would get out in one piece. I actually just watched the interview with the girl again. She said they were leaving, walking down the stairs. A Bills fan pushed her, and "I almost slipped". So someone passed her and pushed her so hard that she "almost slipped" on stairs that many people not pushed on slip and fall on because it was packed with snow. Here's a more truthful headline: Cancer survivor brushed by man passing on stairs, almost loses balance Edited December 4 by Motorin' 2 3 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 1 minute ago, Simon said: The Bills have undoubtedly been poring over security cam footage for 3 days now. If there was anything problematic, I have to believe that they would have worked with the law to ID and charge this guy, even if with just a Disorderly. If there was nothing to see they are not going to come out and call this family liars; they will just work behind the scenes to keep the blowback to a minimum. For right now, I still have to guess this is a giant nothingburger that everybody involved wants to go away, but the media is like a puppy on a pork chop. Every fight... The people are caught and escorted... The drunk guy sliding down the stairs who fell was on video There are so much security at the stadium The bills absolutely have footage of the section and no if there was shoving of children down the stairs 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 4 Posted December 4 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Yet the father or nobody stopped a guy shoving little girls? Bills fans have fought for much less People dont ALWAYS jump into a fight based on a 2 second interaction that they may not have totally seen. Bystander Effect is a real thing. Especially if the kid didnt go tumbling down the stairs and was only pushed into the row on someone's lap. There is no doubt that something happened. To what degree and with what intent is all that is really being debated. The account you quoted does NOT say anyone shoved little girls. They simply "barrelled past them". Believable. I'm not happy at the national attention going against Bills fans and Buffalonians. But I am happy the family got an extra $25k with the way medical bills run. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: People dont ALWAYS jump into a fight based on a 2 second interaction that they may not have totally seen. Bystander Effect is a real thing. Especially if the kid didnt go tumbling down the stairs and was only pushed into the row on someone's lap. There is no doubt that something happened. To what degree and with what intent is all that is really being debated. The account you quoted does NOT say anyone shoved little girls. They simply "barrelled past them". Believable. I'm not happy at the national attention going against Bills fans and Buffalonians. But I am happy the family got an extra $25k with the way medical bills run. His post actually says quoting the father.. He barreled past me and my son... And shoved mia Edited December 4 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 4 Posted December 4 3 minutes ago, Simon said: The Bills have undoubtedly been poring over security cam footage for 3 days now. If there was anything problematic, I have to believe that they would have worked with the law to ID and charge this guy, even if with just a Disorderly. If there was nothing to see they are not going to come out and call this family liars; they will just work behind the scenes to keep the blowback to a minimum. For right now, I still have to guess this is a giant nothingburger that everybody involved wants to go away, but the media is like a puppy on a pork chop. Which is why the team is reaching out to the family to hook them up. Probably with some lower-bowl tickets to a game next year. Just now, Buffalo716 said: His post actually says quoting the father.. He barreled past me and my son... And shoved my daughter Good catch. "To the side" is the big qualifier there. 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) I'm not buying the story. I would buy that maybe she got bumped into in a crowd and slipped but not someone deliberately pushing her down the stairs. There would be way more in the media on this if any of it was true. People with cell phones record every damn thing nowadays. The stadium has cameras. People lose tickets or get arrested or at the very least banned from the stadium over stuff like this. We woulda heard about it by now. Seems like a feel sorry for me and give me some social media clicks or maybe thanks for the cash grab type of thing. Edited December 4 by Scott7975 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Which is why the team is reaching out to the family to hook them up. Probably with some lower-bowl tickets to a game next year. Good catch. "To the side" is the big qualifier there. The team reached out to them when the story broke and Bill's fans were getting accused of being drunk girl pushers They certainly have all the evidence now but they didn't when Antonio Brown and that news chick blasted the story all over Twitter and the bills just quickly reacted There's not one section of that stadium not under video And I think there's a reason why the Buffalo News.. the only local paper with ap writers ... And the biggest reputation Has not touched this story... Because they would roll with it , if they could get people to corroborate the story Wkbw doesn't have the standards Buffalo News has... Neither does wivp New York Post has pages of retractions every day Buffalo News isn't touching this... I think that's weird Edited December 4 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 4 Posted December 4 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The team reached out to them when the story broke and Bill's fans were getting accused of being drunk girl pushers They certainly have all the evidence now but they didn't when Antonio Brown and that news chick blasted the story all over Twitter and the bills just quickly reacted There's not one section of that stadium not under video Ok, so are you saying no one pushed past them and the girl never fell? Quote
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