Congratulations Josh Allen - Most touchdowns in team history

[Punch]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

It's almost hard to believe no QB has done this before--- on top of it, of the various players who have accomplished it, none have done it only 2 plays!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Chugga said:

To me it’s not about the rushing record it’s about the yards per game number ontop of the record.

 

At everyone’s current pace I think Josh is MVP.

 

If Saquon breaks the rushing record but averages LESS than 131.6 yards a game then in my opinion he shouldn’t even be considered.  Dickerson put up his numbers in 16 games and averaged 131.6 yards a game.  Saquon averages a little over 124 a game.  He might break the record but it won’t be as impressive.  Now if he averages 132 yards a game I think he has an argument for MVP

The saquon MVP narrative doesn't make sense to me

 

The eagles were a 10-2 team this time last yr w swift and Kenneth gainwell

 

He's a great RB having a great year on a stacked team, isn't giving MVP for me

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Chugga said:

To me it’s not about the rushing record it’s about the yards per game number ontop of the record.

 

At everyone’s current pace I think Josh is MVP.

 

If Saquon breaks the rushing record but averages LESS than 131.6 yards a game then in my opinion he shouldn’t even be considered.  Dickerson put up his numbers in 16 games and averaged 131.6 yards a game.  Saquon averages a little over 124 a game.  He might break the record but it won’t be as impressive.  Now if he averages 132 yards a game I think he has an argument for MVP

Agree, not sure if that’s how voters will look at it but they should. 

[HappyDays]

Leading the NFL in both win probability added and EPA per play.

 

Edited December 2 by HappyDays

[Mikie2times]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

The saquon MVP narrative doesn't make sense to me

 

The eagles were a 10-2 team this time last yr w swift and Kenneth gainwell

 

He's a great RB having a great year on a stacked team, isn't giving MVP for me

If he breaks the rushing record and his single game average is above Dickerson he will likely win it in my opinion. He’s had enough “Hesiman” moments between his backward jump and Sunday night game vs the Rams. Josh could possibly upend that projection with a huge game vs the Lions (but a poor showing could also set him back). While all of what you’re saying is true, Barkley is a next level RB. He’s the best in the league at his position. He’s certainly in the conversation for the type of year he is having. 

[Chugga]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The saquon MVP narrative doesn't make sense to me

 

The eagles were a 10-2 team this time last yr w swift and Kenneth gainwell

 

He's a great RB having a great year on a stacked team, isn't giving MVP for me

I agree he isn’t an MVP candidate exactly right now because he’s an RB.  But if you break a record that has stood for 40+ years that changes things.

 

I just think it’s important people put things into perspective and account for the fact that if he does break the record, Saquon had an extra game to do it.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

If he breaks the rushing record and his single game average is above Dickerson he will likely win it in my opinion. He’s had enough “Hesiman” moments between his backward jump and Sunday night game vs the Rams. Josh could possibly upend that projection with a huge game vs the Lions (but a poor showing could also set him back). While all of what you’re saying is true, Barkley is a next level RB. He’s the best in the league at his position. He’s certainly in the conversation for the type of year he is having. 

 

Ridiculous to even have a RB in the conversation IMO. Barkley isn't even the MVP of his own offense. That would be, in order, Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, Jordan Mailata, Devonta Smith, and then Barkley can add his name. Give him the OPOY for sure. MVP would be a complete joke.

 

The award isn't for the best player, it's for the most valuable player. Barkley had less YPC when he was with the Giants than D'Andre Swift had last year in Philly. Great player of course but he's a luxury, not the engine that makes the operation work.

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a new picture for my basement

 

 

Zoom in and check out the smile. This dude loves this stuff!

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Chugga said:

I agree he isn’t an MVP candidate exactly right now because he’s an RB.  But if you break a record that has stood for 40+ years that changes things.

 

I just think it’s important people put things into perspective and account for the fact that if he does break the record, Saquon had an extra game to do it.

Yup, and while this is a QB league, the history of the NFL is a little more obsessed with the 2000 number than passing accolades. RB’s are pretty entrenched in league history. It would be a big deal.

[eball]

Josh only has one Bill to pass for the best Bill ever…Bruce. And once he wins a Lombardi he will do that. 
 

 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ridiculous to even have a RB in the conversation IMO. Barkley isn't even the MVP of his own offense. That would be, in order, Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, Jordan Mailata, Devonta Smith, and then Barkley can add his name. Give him the OPOY for sure. MVP would be a complete joke.

 

The award isn't for the best player, it's for the most valuable player. Barkley had less YPC when he was with the Giants than D'Andre Swift had last year in Philly. Great player of course but he's a luxury, not the engine that makes the operation work.

AJ Brown said he was the best player in the NFL. To say he isn't bringing value at a rate like Brown or Smith, who have barely been healthy this year, sort of renders your post just a bit outside. Jordan Mailata? Can we at least have some precedent with the position? If he breaks a record that’s linked to the greatest players in NFL history, the rest doesn’t matter that much. 

Edited December 2 by Mikie2times

[Chugga]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Yup, and while this is a QB league, the history of the NFL is a little more obsessed with the 2000 number than passing accolades. RB’s are pretty entrenched in league history. It would be a big deal.

Totally agree.  While I think Buffalo Bills fans in general are going to do their homework and look at the nuanced differences because they’ve seen their QB get screwed out of the award a number of times for dumb reasons.

 

But the MVP voters sadly are far less nuanced.  Josh Allen set the league on fire the second half of last season but had fewer wins than Lamar and THATS IT.  He had zero chance at MVP for that lone reason.

 

If someone breaks a 40+ year old record that some of the greatest players in NFL history couldn’t do the voters are going to notice and vote accordingly.  Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, etc.  That’s just a small list of people that couldn’t break that record.  When it’s broken it will be a big deal.  Regardless of the circumstances.

[beer]

Jim Kelly was my hero growing up. I was born in '79 as context. I never thought I'd ever see a Bills QB surpass him. Josh Allen is better in every way than Kelly ever was. Hard to fathom for me but it's true. Kelly is a hall of famer. Josh Allen is one of the all time greats. 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

AJ Brown said he was the best player in the NFL. To say he isn't bringing value at a rate like Brown or Smith, who have barely been healthy this year, sort of renders your post just a bit outside. Jordan Mailata? Can we at least have some precedent with the position? If he breaks a record that’s linked to the greatest players in NFL history, the rest doesn’t matter that much. 

 

To the MVP voters it might not. To reality, it does. Swap out Allen with a replacement level QB and we're like 5-7 at best. Swap Barkley out with a replacement level RB and they're still at like 9 wins. It's really not debatable.

[Doc Brown]

42 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The rushing record is a historic record and Barkley is having a historic season. Dickerson finished 2nd in votes and Peterson won it in 2012 as the last RB to win the award.
 

His talent is indisputable. He’s the only one that should still be in the race with Allen and this point and if he does get the record it’s 50/50. 

I could see using the record as justification for it.  I wouldn't agree with it though.  If they base the MVP on breaking historical records at positions other than quarterback than TJ Watt should've won it in 2021 and Calvin Johnson should've won it in 2012.

Edited December 2 by Doc Brown

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Yup, and while this is a QB league, the history of the NFL is a little more obsessed with the 2000 number than passing accolades. RB’s are pretty entrenched in league history. It would be a big deal.

Are they really tho

 

Chris Johnson ran for 2000 in 09 and they gave him OPPY and that was the year he broke all purpose yardage record

[Sojourner]

28 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Leading the NFL in both win probability added and EPA per play.

 

Impressive. Legitimately. 

[Chugga]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

To the MVP voters it might not. To reality, it does. Swap out Allen with a replacement level QB and we're like 5-7 at best. Swap Barkley out with a replacement level RB and they're still at like 9 wins. It's really not debatable.

I don’t disagree with you at all.  I’d argue you could put our #2 RB Ray Davis on the Eagles and he’d be in the thick of the league leaders in rushing.

 

But you’re a Bills fan.  How can you not be cynical of MVP voting.  The guy averages 40+ TDs a year and they have moved the goal posts on him every single year.  Last year being the most egregious when they handed the award to Lamar who had an absolutely pedestrian year.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I mean if somebody ever asked you that bit of NFL trivia, Josh is definitely the QB people would think of or at least he should be with all his rushing TDs and multiple receiving TDs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

28 minutes ago, Chugga said:

I don’t disagree with you at all.  I’d argue you could put our #2 RB Ray Davis on the Eagles and he’d be in the thick of the league leaders in rushing.

 

But you’re a Bills fan.  How can you not be cynical of MVP voting.  The guy averages 40+ TDs a year and they have moved the goal posts on him every single year.  Last year being the most egregious when they handed the award to Lamar who had an absolutely pedestrian year.

If Barkley breaks the rushing yardage record he’s got a shot..if not it’s definitely going to Josh barring a disaster imo

 

 

Edited December 2 by Generic_Bills_Fan