Roundybout Posted December 3 Posted December 3 9 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Umm Biden pretty much handed the election to Trump but yeah nice victory lol. Sure. Figures. We shall see if he gets confirmed or if he’s too much for the senate to stomach.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted December 3 Posted December 3 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Figures. We shall see if he gets confirmed or if he’s too much for the senate to stomach. I'm not religious so I really could care less. Figures your here pouting.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 3 Posted December 3 33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: OK, my serious thoughts on the Hunter pardon: 1. I don't like it. Good stuff. 33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 2. There was a case to be made for Joe Biden reconsidering his statement that he wouldn't pardon Hunter. Since those statements, his party lost the election. His successor has nominated an AG and FBI Director who have committed to prosecuting Trump's political adversaries. The Hunter Special Counsel already initiated two prosecutions after a thorough review. Hunter was found guilty and given a slap on the wrist for one, the gun charge. I have never seen that charge used in that way, so it was certainly unusual. If Biden had pardoned Hunter for that, well, it's over and done with, fine. He pleaded guilty to the tax charges, however. Those are commonplace, to my mind not "political" in any way, and that should have gone to normal sentencing. After sentencing he could ask Biden/Trump to commute any sentence. But this "pardon" was far too sweeping. See below. The only case to be made is he was certain Hunter would be pardoned by his successor. When that changed, he moved to protect his son. 33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 3. The special counsel having completed its task, there's a good case for Biden pardoning Hunter from additional prosecution for unrelated charges. This is political, but there is a good argument for it. I expect Republicans would always hate it, but put the shoe on the other foot and they might think it's o.k. Oh for goodness sake. What's the Frankish argument for giving him a 10 year hall pass when he's already shown a complete disregard for the law? Note--not the political argument, obviously Hunter was off the hook any way you sliced it. No need to get upset about it, Biden was simply playing the cards that Harris would be his successor. You're suggesting that if Hunter shared some of the classified documents with his Chinese counterparts in 2017, 2018, and 2022, he is deserving of a hall pass?
The Frankish Reich Posted December 3 Posted December 3 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Good stuff. The only case to be made is he was certain Hunter would be pardoned by his successor. When that changed, he moved to protect his son. Oh for goodness sake. What's the Frankish argument for giving him a 10 year hall pass when he's already shown a complete disregard for the law? Note--not the political argument, obviously Hunter was off the hook any way you sliced it. No need to get upset about it, Biden was simply playing the cards that Harris would be his successor. You're suggesting that if Hunter shared some of the classified documents with his Chinese counterparts in 2017, 2018, and 2022, he is deserving of a hall pass? And you're suggesting all kinds of scenarios that the evidence doesn't support. Look, I've already said that while I believe the January 6 prosecutions of the rioters are a noble cause, I also have no problem with the president pardoning those who did not act violently or in an overtly threatening manner. That's probably a lot of them. The criminal prosecutions have, in many cases, served their purpose: ensuring accountability, deterring others who might think storming the houses of government is a good idea, etc. 1
JFKjr Posted December 3 Posted December 3 17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: And you're suggesting all kinds of scenarios that the evidence doesn't support. Look, I've already said that while I believe the January 6 prosecutions of the rioters are a noble cause, I also have no problem with the president pardoning those who did not act violently or in an overtly threatening manner. That's probably a lot of them. The criminal prosecutions have, in many cases, served their purpose: ensuring accountability, deterring others who might think storming the houses of government is a good idea, etc. Hunter's violent acts (per the laptop) deserve a pardon? Why is that? Elite Privilege?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 3 Posted December 3 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: And you're suggesting all kinds of scenarios that the evidence doesn't support. Look, I've already said that while I believe the January 6 prosecutions of the rioters are a noble cause, I also have no problem with the president pardoning those who did not act violently or in an overtly threatening manner. That's probably a lot of them. The criminal prosecutions have, in many cases, served their purpose: ensuring accountability, deterring others who might think storming the houses of government is a good idea, etc. I couldn't tell you what the evidence supports, all I know is the Biden DOJ pursued him for certain crimes and his Dad had the juice to get him off. The nature of a blanket pardon for any/all activity seems extreme to the max, and is suggestive of concern on behalf of JB beyond that which was already adjudicated. I'm just a citizen, one of the majority who pushed back against a heavy-handed administration intent on using the law to take down a political rival. As for J6, I have no real argument with you there. My biggest issue stems from the relentless pursuit of people who were guilty of trespass or entering the building, and disproportionate/hyper-punitive sentences once they were found. Further, while I recognize that special rules likely apply to sacred areas inside the seat of power (and probably should), you can't read the news from trusted media source (Frankish Certified as Approved of course) where some person isn't wandering the street 20 minutes after being picked up for beating a shop-owner with a brick. Or, firebombing police cars. As for violent offenders, they should do the time associated with the crime. 2
thenorthremembers Posted December 3 Posted December 3 Every Father here would have done the same thing. That said, he should have never said he wasnt going to do it.
sherpa Posted December 3 Posted December 3 30 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: And you're suggesting all kinds of scenarios that the evidence doesn't support. Look, I've already said that while I believe the January 6 prosecutions of the rioters are a noble cause, I also have no problem with the president pardoning those who did not act violently or in an overtly threatening manner. That's probably a lot of them. The criminal prosecutions have, in many cases, served their purpose: ensuring accountability, deterring others who might think storming the houses of government is a good idea, etc. Well thought and well stated. 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: As for J6, I have no real argument with you there. My biggest issue stems from the relentless pursuit of people who were guilty of trespass or entering the building, and disproportionate/hyper-punitive sentences once they were found. Further, while I recognize that special rules likely apply to sacred areas inside the seat of power (and probably should), you can't read the news from trusted media source (Frankish Certified as Approved of course) where some person isn't wandering the street 20 minutes after being picked up for beating a shop-owner with a brick. Or, firebombing police cars. As for violent offenders, they should do the time associated with the crime. Well thought and well stated. 2 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 3 Posted December 3 The pardon proves that Trump was right in 2020 to investigate Hunter and that of the media had not lied in such an extreme manner Trump would have won in 2020. Media showed its power but it is now paying the price because everyone knows they lied. 1
bills_fan Posted December 3 Posted December 3 I can hate on Biden and the Dems for a whole lot that has happened in the last 4 years. Pardoning Hunter is not one of them since I would do the exact same thing for my son if I had to and I was in Bidens position. Once you have kids, you are a Dad first imho.
sherpa Posted December 3 Posted December 3 10 minutes ago, bills_fan said: I can hate on Biden and the Dems for a whole lot that has happened in the last 4 years. Pardoning Hunter is not one of them since I would do the exact same thing for my son if I had to and I was in Bidens position. Once you have kids, you are a Dad first imho. There is a big difference. You weren't on record stating you would honor the jury's decision and abide by the rule of law. Stated over and over and over, and echoed by media sycophants who repeatedly claimed such a position was proof of the moral high ground. The man is a sham. Always has been. It has always been "Biden Inc" first. He is a disgrace, and as he reaches the end of life, doesn't care who knows. 3 1 1 1
bills_fan Posted December 3 Posted December 3 I do not disagree with anything you wrote. But I always believed a Hunter pardon would happen. Nor do I blame him for pardoning Hunter. Biden is a buffoon on so many levels. But saving his son from prison time is not one of them IMHO. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 3 Posted December 3 Just now, bills_fan said: I do not disagree with anything you wrote. But I always believed a Hunter pardon would happen. Nor do I blame him for pardoning Hunter. Biden is a buffoon on so many levels. But saving his son from prison time is not one of them IMHO. JB's issues as a man are pretty well-documented, so I'll move past that. JB had a difficult life as an adult--losing his first wife and a child in a car crash, losing his adult son to cancer, HBs obvious addiction and downward spiral, the issues with his daughter if her diary is to be believed, and more. As a human being and father myself, I can appreciate on some level how difficult that all is on a person. That said--it's hard to imagine that many of HBs problems don't relate back to JB as a father. It strikes me as highly unlikely that JB wasn't aware of the many skeletons in Hunter's closet, and from where I'm sitting JB is a first class enabler. Even now, he portrays his son who made millions in a sweetheart job as a victim.
sherpa Posted December 3 Posted December 3 I don't post speculative viewpoints, but I will here. I think the man has lost cognitive ability, and I think his wife is the force behind this decision. No excuse, but I think she has become a puppeteer. 2
nedboy7 Posted December 3 Posted December 3 5 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: It was in the white house you moron. Trumps kids had top level security clearance. Who cares. All the trash he dragged into the White House? I don’t care about selective outrage. A White House whistleblower has said the Trump administration overruled security experts to give questionable security clearances to more than two dozen people, including the president's daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner. Tricia Newbold, a White House security adviser, told Democrats in Congress that clearances were initially denied to dozens of administration officials because of concerns over possible foreign influence, conflicts of interests, questionable or criminal conduct, financial problems or drug abuse. 3
Tiberius Posted December 3 Posted December 3 39 minutes ago, sherpa said: There is a big difference. You weren't on record stating you would honor the jury's decision and abide by the rule of law. Stated over and over and over, and echoed by media sycophants who repeatedly claimed such a position was proof of the moral high ground. The man is a sham. Always has been. It has always been "Biden Inc" first. He is a disgrace, and as he reaches the end of life, doesn't care who knows. Goodness, you must think Trump is really bad then! Oh, never mind...
sherpa Posted December 3 Posted December 3 Just now, Tiberius said: Goodness, you must think Trump is really bad then! Oh, never mind... Trump is not an honorable man, in my view. Never voted for him. But....He isn't Biden, a now disgraced fool and liar who claimed to be honorable, making all his supporters and spokespeople looking like idiots for ever believing him, You included, and I note how after all your posts about his Mound Rushmore status, ran from him like he had leprosy, aids and the plague the second the Dem party conducted their coup, and jumped on the Harris bandwagon, destined for failure. Frankly, and more to the issue of the nation's progress, I am quite pleased with the appointments and course. He seems to be much better this time around. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted December 3 Posted December 3 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: Trump is not an honorable man, in my view. Never voted for him. But....He isn't Biden, a now disgraced fool and liar who claimed to be honorable, making all his supporters and spokespeople looking like idiots for ever believing him, You included, and I note how after all your posts about his Mound Rushmore status, ran from him like he had leprosy, aids and the plague the second the Dem party conducted their coup, and jumped on the Harris bandwagon, destined for failure. Frankly, and more to the issue of the nation's progress, I am quite pleased with the appointments and course. He seems to be much better this time around. It is the linked fate of Trump and Biden to be lumped together in the history books as the Trump-Biden-Trump Era, defined largely by COVID and its aftermath.
Tiberius Posted December 3 Posted December 3 7 minutes ago, sherpa said: But....He isn't Biden, a now disgraced fool and liar who claimed to be honorable, making all his supporters and spokespeople looking like idiots for ever believing him, You included, and I note how after all your posts about his Mound Rushmore status, ran from him like he had leprosy, aids and the plague the second the Dem party conducted their coup, and jumped on the Harris bandwagon, destined for failure. Frankly, and more to the issue of the nation's progress, I am quite pleased with the appointments and course. He seems to be much better this time around. Is Trump disgraced? Biden is because of the pardon, but Trump isn't in your view? As to your point about the freaks he is nominating, ROTFLMAO! You had the gall to question Lloyd Austin's resume--He is a black man--yet you think that POS Trump nominated for defense secretary is good? He's a women abusing drunk.
sherpa Posted December 3 Posted December 3 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Is Trump disgraced? Biden is because of the pardon, but Trump isn't in your view? As to your point about the freaks he is nominating, ROTFLMAO! You had the gall to question Lloyd Austin's resume--He is a black man--yet you think that POS Trump nominated for defense secretary is good? He's a women abusing drunk. Just to refute your erroneous point, as always. I never questioned his "resume," to use your term. That is, yet another, lie. I questioned his ability and performance, and I still do. Never his resume 1
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