Ladd McConkey

[CoudyBills]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't believe it is. They rarely get picked in the first round. They rarely get the mega deals. St Brown has. Kupp did. That's fair. They are the exceptions not the rules. That's like saying Q Nelson got nearly as much as the top tackle on the market when he signed his deal with the Colts therefore GMs value guards nearly as much as tackles. 

 

I don't think the facts support your position at all.

What recent elite slot receivers didn't get paid?  The qualifier being elite.  Legit question.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Billl said:

Amon Ra, Tyreek, Waddle, CeeDee, Godwin, Kupp, Puka… At least half of the elite WRs in the league play majority slot.

 

CeeDee doesn't anymore. He did early in his career, but not now. Hill has been a consistent 65% plus wide as a Dolphin though he was closer to 50:50 his best years in KC. Godwin isn't elite. Puka and Kupp, sure. Puka is still year 2, let's see. Kupp and St Brown they are the exception that prove the rule.

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

What recent elite slot receivers didn't get paid?  The qualifier being elite.  Legit question.

 

True elite ones will get paid. No question. But there are like max 3 of them at any one time. Compare that to how many outside receivers get paid and then compare the AAVs. 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

We can talk upside all we want, I totally get the upside argument but what more do you want from McConkey to show upside. He's literally 10th in the entire NFL in Receiving yardage, 8th for WR's and he also missed a game this season. Even if he had just 50 yards in the game he missed he'd be like 6th in the NFL in Receiving yardage. He's also tied for 14th in TD's and 15th in receptions.

 

I'd kill for those numbers from Coleman in year 3 let alone his rookie season. The idea that McConkey is a finished product as a lot of people have said on this board is also asinine to me.

 

It isn't just the ceiling, it's the position. Coleman has played just 9.1% of snaps from the slot. I know a lot of people pre-draft thought he would be better as a slot but he's shown he can play outside. So his ceiling is as a high level outside WR. McConkey to me is just a high level slot if he reaches his ceiling. My feelings on both haven't changed at all from April to now. Both exceeded my expectations as rookies, both fit the roles I anticipated, McConkey unsurprisingly came into the NFL as the more finished product. If I changed my opinion now I wouldn't have any convictions to speak of.

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It isn't just the ceiling, it's the position. Coleman has played just 9.1% of snaps from the slot. I know a lot of people pre-draft thought he would be better as a slot but he's shown he can play outside. So his ceiling is as a high level outside WR. McConkey to me is just a high level slot if he reaches his ceiling. My feelings on both haven't changed at all from April to now. Both exceeded my expectations as rookies, both fit the roles I anticipated, McConkey unsurprisingly came into the NFL as the more finished product. If I changed my opinion now I wouldn't have any convictions to speak of.

 

Coleman has exceeded your expectations? I know he missed 4 games and I get that is point but the vast majority of his yards have been on scramble drill plays outside of the context of play structure. I would say Coleman would have been right in line for what I would have expected if he didn't get hurt. Right around 700 yards, which is about what I expected out of any rookie we drafted not just Coleman.

[Billl]

If Coleman were to get 1,100 yards and 7 TDs next year, nobody would care if he did it lined up on the boundary, the slot, or the parking lot.  

[ProcessTruster]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:04 PM, HansLanda said:

see: Khalil Shakir. I get it with the production as a rookie, but let's just see how Keon plays out as that is the next natural question. 

agreed . 

 

to the OP, why the H would you draft Ladd if you have Shakir?  Where do these idiot posts come from?    Beane nailed the WR position in this draft, the kid just hasn't been on field enough to show it.  Keep your pants on and 0 will show his stuff in due time. 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ahh so clueless! The Chargers have the 22nd best pass offense, 12th in total points and 22nd in yards. With the Elite Slot Ladd!
 

And the Bills are the 9th best pass offense, 2nd in total points and 8th in yards. And they don’t have elite slot Ladd? How could it be?

Diggs/Allen were moved the slot because they were declining physical players.  
 

Because it’s an easier position to play.

 

Rookies see more time in the slot.

 

Because it’s an easier position to play.

 

They get paid less.

 

Because it’s an easier position to play.

Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure with hindsight if the Bills could go back now they would trade up for BTJ, no question. But that is going to be the case in every single draft every single year. You are always going to look back and kick yourself for not trading up for such and such player. It's been studied and shown that the wisest draft strategy is to stay put or trade down and maximize the number of picks you have. If you follow that process religiously it should work out more in the long run even though there will inevitably be times where hindsight makes you kick yourself. With hindsight BTJ would have been the 1st or 2nd WR off the board but GMs just have to work with the information they have in front of them.

 

Anyways this whole conversation is happening way way too early. Coleman vs McConkey is the classic high ceiling vs high floor. Everybody knew McConkey would enter the NFL looking better than Coleman. So taking victory laps after year one is patently ridiculous. That goes for comparing any rookie WR, or any rookie player for that matter. We have to be more patient than that. Coleman has already exceeded what most of this board expected of him in the pre-draft process. He was taken as a high ceiling player that would need to rely on his pure physical ability while developing the nuances of the position which is exactly what we're seeing. Eric Moulds, Davante Adams, Nico Collins - that's the path you're hoping for with a player like him.

All good points but I guess it's my own personal bias I guess as I had Brian Thomas Jr. in that tier with Odunze, Nabers, and Harrison Jr. tier.  He was the only one I thought we could realistically get without majorly sacrificing future draft assets.

[Doc]

47 minutes ago, Billl said:

If Coleman were to get 1,100 yards and 7 TDs next year, nobody would care if he did it lined up on the boundary, the slot, or the parking lot.  

 

Shakir has almost 800 yards and 4 TDs.  McConkey would just be taking targets away from him.

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

He's a fine young lad, the McConkey boy...

 

And his sister Lass, is a bonnie, young lassie too.

 

Aye, the McConkey kids run like a frisky kid goats on a fresh pitch of spring turf...

 

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

I don’t even know who you are.

[ghostwriter]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:00 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

I know that McConkey is more of a slot receiver when the Bills were looking for a bigger boundary WR, but man McConkey is playing well.  9 for 117 in just today’s game.  Watching his route running in the pre-draft process had me mesmerized by his cutting ability.  I’ve been wrong on draft prospects plenty, so I’m not claiming to be some draft genius, but I really liked him.

I did not like him, I was wrong.

[billsfan_34]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:00 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

I know that McConkey is more of a slot receiver when the Bills were looking for a bigger boundary WR, but man McConkey is playing well.  9 for 117 in just today’s game.  Watching his route running in the pre-draft process had me mesmerized by his cutting ability.  I’ve been wrong on draft prospects plenty, so I’m not claiming to be some draft genius, but I really liked him.

I wanted him…

[Danger Mouse]

offensive rookie of the year is a contest this year

 

 

daniels, mcconkey nix and bowers all doing elite things. daniels wins it, but the others can feel robbed, mcconkey included

[Behindenemylines]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:17 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

No reason to covet another team's receivers, what with Robert Foster still available...😇🙄

I think that’s the 11th  commandment