Emmanuel Forbes CB- Waived by Washington

[gonzo1105]

Forbes is a 1st round pick of the Commanders two years ago and is just 23 years old. He has to go through the waiver process like any person who is released but he comes with a decent contract due to the fact that he was a 1st round pick and might not be waiver claimed(tho I think its still a possibility). If he gets through waivers I'd like to see the Bills make a play for him as he is a very high upside play with low risk much like when they added Lewis Cine. He can come here and rehabilitate himself and get a chance to compete for the starting spot opposite Benford or at least be a depth corner.

 

With that said, he was very bad in Washington and Washington basically gave up on him with a new coaching staff it seems. Very similar to Cine in that regard. Was a pretty consensus first round pick who had excellent ball skills at Mississippi State. Can do both man and zone from his college film but has a very thin build. I would not add him to the 53 but would offer him a PS spot

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Get er done…..

[The Cincinnati Kid]

I like adding players with potential and the McDermott plan has been good for many DBs.

[Kelly to Allen]

He is skinny but has excellent man covg traits. We all saw how great CB play ESPECIALLY in man was a massive reason for KC winning the Superbowl. 

 

Id be interested but I think someone will obviously claim him. 

 

It will be interesting if we do get him given McDermott having a great track record with the secondary 

 

At the same time I'm very confident in our depth with Elam, Ingram, Hardy 

[freddyjj]

6'1" 166 lbs.  Bills CBs need to be able to tackle in run game.  Not sure how a dude who needs to run around the shower to get wet would hold up.  

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Don’t we already have a failed 1st round CB on the roster? Why would we want another one? 

Edited December 1 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, freddyjj said:

6'1" 166 lbs.  Bills CBs need to be able to tackle in run game.  Not sure how a dude who needs to run around the shower to get wet would hold up.  

Yea he's not bills type 

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Don’t we always have a failed 1st round CB on the roster? Why would we want another one? 

Elam is not a " failed CB". He will be CB 2 next year and is really good. I don't understand this narrative at all 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Elam is not a " failed CB". He will be CB 2 next year and is really good. I don't understand this narrative at all 

To date, he is absolutely a failed 1st rd pick-  I think might be a solid CB and have a nice career- but he’s a failed 1st rd pick to date

[Kelly to Allen]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To date, he is absolutely a failed 1st rd pick-  I think might be a solid CB and have a nice career- but he’s a failed 1st rd pick to date

 

I guess. 

 

He started as a rookie for many games and was the best CB on the team by the end of the year. His man covg against tyreek hill was excellent 

 

He then got hurt his second year and had to go on ir. 

 

When he was fully healthy he once again was solid and made a huge int in the playoffs and almost had another one. 

 

From everything I read he was excellent in camp and took a jump in play but Benford has turned into a gem. Douglas is also really good. It's possible that Benford is the best CB in the NFL right now. It's not mutually exclusive

 

It's just a numbers game imo and not really an indictment on him as some failed pick. 

 

I think the plan was always for Benford and Elam to start by 24 or 25

Edited December 1 by Kelly to Allen

[EmotionallyUnstable]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Elam is not a " failed CB". He will be CB 2 next year and is really good. I don't understand this narrative at all 

If your definition of really good is a 3rd year player who cannot see the field, was beat out by multiple players and had the very GM who drafted him actively shop for a player to acquire so he wouldn’t start, then he is your guy. 
 

That is a failed investment for a first round player. If you don’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you.  

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

If your definition of really good is a 3rd year player who cannot see the field, was beat out by multiple players and had the very GM who drafted him actively shop for a player to acquire so he wouldn’t start, then he is your guy. 
 

That is a failed investment for a first round player. If you don’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you.  

Or Elam is really really good and they found the best CB in football in the sixth rd and Douglas has taken over for tre 

 

 

It's possible that Benford and Douglas are awesome and so is Elam. It's not mutually exclusive....

 

Elam is cb2 next year regardless. So it's really a win however you want to look at it 

 

 

Edited December 1 by Kelly to Allen

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Or Elam is really really good and they found the best CB in football in the sixth rd and Douglas has taken over for tre 

 

 

It's possible that Benford and Douglas are awesome and so is Elam. It's not mutually exclusive....

 

Elam is cb2 next year regardless. So it's really a win however you want to look at it 

Sure, but trading for Douglas mid season at least shows that Elam was not ready to start, right?

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Or Elam is really really good and they found the best CB in football in the sixth rd

Elam is not "really good" and Benford is not the best CB in football. 

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

Sure, but trading for Douglas mid season at least shows that Elam was not ready to start, right?

Douglas was the vet replacement for tre white. They were going to trade for him regardless. 

 

If you want to say well the draft capital investment was not on par , ok I can agree sorta. But if Elam is great depth outside and is again a starter in 25 at 24 yrs old idk. I think the narrative around Elam is more about finding a gem in Benford and not really about Elam. 

 

If there is a weakness it's his tackling 

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

Elam is not "really good" and Benford is not the best CB in football. 

Elam has literally been really good when he has played healthy. That's an objective fact. 

 

Benford has a really good argument for the best CB in football based on lots of his grades....

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

Elam is not "really good" and Benford is not the best CB in football. 

Look up his grades when he has been healthy 

Elam has a pff grade of 76 right now. 

 

It was 87 in the playoffs his rookie year 

And 75 in the playoffs last year when he was healthy. 

 

 

Edited December 1 by Kelly to Allen

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Or Elam is really really good and they found the best CB in football in the sixth rd and Douglas has taken over for tre 

 

 

It's possible that Benford and Douglas are awesome and so is Elam. It's not mutually exclusive....

 

Elam is cb2 next year regardless. So it's really a win however you want to look at it 

 

 

You may very well be right that he will be CB2 in 2025, but I wouldn’t make that assumption. In fact, it would not surprise me at all if he isn’t. He has been unable to get onto the field multiple years now. 
 

He has not just been playing second fiddle, but

was inactive multiple times last season (and again this year). 
 

The Bills had him shelfed until the Tre White injury forced him into duty….after which he played two games and they traded for Douglas, sending Elam to IR shortly after. 
 

I bolded the above because of how I choose to view Elam as a player is through the 1st round lense. You do not draft a player in RD1 to start year 4. That is wasted opportunity cost. 
 

Even if he comes out and plays at a phenominal level in 25, they will not be picking up his fifth year option this offseason and he would be a 1 and done that year in Buffalo. 
 

P.S. I have no hard feelings towards the player or towards Beane for this…it is what it is, and Beane has done well to make amends for this error. Still, the fact of the matter is Elam has not lived up to the investment so yea, I still with my initial comment that he has been a failed 1st rd CB 

[That's No Moon]

25 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Elam is not a " failed CB". He will be CB 2 next year and is really good. I don't understand this narrative at all 

Because they try really really hard to keep him off the field whenever possible.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

You may very well be right that he will be CB2 in 2025, but I wouldn’t make that assumption. In fact, it would not surprise me at all if he isn’t. He has been unable to get onto the field multiple years now. 
 

He has not just been playing second fiddle, but

was inactive multiple times last season (and again this year). 
 

The Bills had him shelfed until the Tre White injury forced him into duty….after which he played two games and they traded for Douglas, sending Elam to IR shortly after. 
 

I bolded the above because of how I choose to view Elam as a player is through the 1st round lense. You do not draft a player in RD1 to start year 4. That is wasted opportunity cost. 
 

Even if he comes out and plays at a phenominal level in 25, they will not be picking up his fifth year option this offseason and he would be a 1 and done that year in Buffalo. 
 

P.S. I have no hard feelings towards the player or towards Beane for this…it is what it is, and Beane has done well to make amends for this error. Still, the fact of the matter is Elam has not lived up to the investment so yea, I still with my initial comment that he has been a failed 1st rd CB 

He helped win two playoff games for us. I understand that frustration. 

 

His tape vs tyreek is pretty incredible. The reason he has not fully pulled ahead IMHO is because Benford is imo a great CB in the mold of a James hasty and Douglas has the edge in physicality/ experience over Elam. 

 

I personally think the KC narrative is fake about McDuffie 

 

Benford is better than McDuffie imo 

Elam is better than Williams or Watson

And Ingram is about a tie with Williams or Watson 

 

Both organizations got 1 really top CB and two other solid CBS, but Elam is better than Williams or Watson imo

 

Just now, That's No Moon said:

Because they try really really hard to keep him off the field whenever possible.

He literally started as a rookie and started a few weeks ago when Benford was banged up 

Edited December 1 by Kelly to Allen

[Charles Romes]

If the Ravens were desperate enough to assume a gimpy Tre whites 8 figure salary, this guy is certainly not going to make it past waivers. 

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Elam has literally been really good when he has played healthy. That's an objective fact. 

 

Benford has a really good argument for the best CB in football based on lots of his grades...

 

Look up his grades when he has been healthy 

Elam has a pff grade of 76 right now. 

 

It was 87 in the playoffs his rookie year 

And 75 in the playoffs last year when he was healthy

If you're basing your entire argument off of PFF grades then 

 

Elam has not been really good. He makes a play here or there, but takes bad angles and makes more mental errors than the other DB'S. There's a reason he can't get on the field and it's not because of Douglas and Benford alone. 

 

Benford also is not the best CB in the NFL. You put him on another team, in another system, and he's just average. We have seen it multiple times, that McDermott knows how to coach up DB'S. Benford is nothing more than a product of our defense.