Fitz - If you feel good about the Chiefs, you’re in denial

[Success]

I thought we played a good game against them, and it still came down to a few plays.

 

So, there's that. They're not formidable or fearsome this year - but with Reid, Spags and Mahomes, they likely won't be an easy out for any team, regardless of how they've looked.

 

[Goin Breakdown]

6 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

At first I was like "what's up", and then I went back and saw. Sorry about that. I was going to say something and then backed out. Odd this happened. 

Edited November 30 by Goin Breakdown

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every playoff game is a dogfight and there are no easy wins. If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, this is why the Chiefs are an elite team this year. For 55 minutes they play like maybe the 12th best team in football. And then for 5 minutes they're far and away the best. Their goal in every game is to get to that 5 minutes either leading or within one score, and then it's a sure win. It doesn't matter if their opponent is the worst team in the league or the Super Bowl runner up - that is how all of their games have gone since the playoffs last year. In that time they are 12-0 in one score games and only the Bills have beaten them. When we beat them in the playoffs it will be even sweeter because we'll have beaten an all time team with a one of a kind ability.

 

 

Hap, they weren't the best team on the field last weekend, even at the end. Vegas scored more points than KC in the final quarter and if they hadn't done a Raiders thing at the end they'd have had more. They were moving easily on that last drive.

 

And what KC player was it who stepped up and forced that bad snap?

 

IMO you're letting confirmation bias and the great team they were the past few years cloud your vision on what we're seeing now. Vegas isn't a good team and they were going to win if they hadn't made a bad team type of mistake.

 

Are the Chiefs dangerous? Absolutely. Are they also getting very lucky? Yeah, they are. Nobody should look forward to playing them because they have good weeks and they really do have a belief they can do it at the end. But they're beatable this year, and this kind of a streak of getting lucky at the end can't forever. 

 

Having said that, they're a team that got a lot better near the end of the season last year. They could do that again, and I hope they don't. But unless they do that, my guess is they don't make the AFC championship this year.

[LABILLBACKER]

The Chiefs could easily have lost 5 games this year.  They're living on borrowed time. 

[Kelly to Allen]

Mahomes is still great and their championship experience will get them to buffalo in the AFC championship. But we have the better QB and team. And that's where it will end for KC this year...

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 hours ago, FireChans said:

 

 

 

 

 

So basically the argument is the best win on our schedule is against a team playing “mediocre football,” who are “running on fumes” and aren’t “screaming championship team.”

 

I don’t agree. Chiefs are the team to beat until proven otherwise.

 

I will call them mediocre frauds if they blasted in their first playoff game and not before. 

 

Pay your tribute to the one you see fit, Chan.  I’ll take care of mine and my own counsel I’ll keep on who that is.  
 

…and that isn’t to a team we’ve beaten 4 out of the last 6, three in their barn and our last loss coming with guys playing for us who were in street clothes days before.

 

I’ll be afraid of the monster that scares me, not the one that doesn’t and they certainly don’t regardless of their title.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

22 hours ago, FireChans said:

which makes our only win against a playoff team (them) mean exactly what about the 2024 Bills

It means nothing-  

21 hours ago, FireChans said:

They are the only team that we have beaten that will most likely be in the 2024 playoffs, aren’t they?

And that means exactly what?

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Chiefs could easily have lost 5 games this year.  They're living on borrowed time. 

 

No, they're "livin' on a prayer."

 

 

[NewEra]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every playoff game is a dogfight and there are no easy wins. If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, this is why the Chiefs are an elite team this year. For 55 minutes they play like maybe the 12th best team in football. And then for 5 minutes they're far and away the best. Their goal in every game is to get to that 5 minutes either leading or within one score, and then it's a sure win. It doesn't matter if their opponent is the worst team in the league or the Super Bowl runner up - that is how all of their games have gone since the playoffs last year. In that time they are 12-0 in one score games and only the Bills have beaten them. When we beat them in the playoffs it will be even sweeter because we'll have beaten an all time team with a one of a kind ability.

There are many easy wins.  The perfect game was not a dogfight.  

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

They've got a hold of everyone. Their supposed drop off is dominating the national conversation right now. Everybody across the NFL is whistling past the graveyard not understanding who this team is and how they win. I've come fully around to the idea that in the NFL the quality of your opponent doesn't matter nearly as much as people say. Panthers, Raiders, it doesn't matter. Every team is going to give you its best shot and you have to find a way to overcome them. The game script could veer off in weird and unexpected directions, and you have to adjust on the fly and find a way to win within that game script. The team that can do that at a near perfect level is in my mind vastly superior to a team that is more talented on paper but can only win 50% of one score games. Turning coin flips into sure victories is the ultimate superpower in the NFL. The Chiefs have been great at that for a while now but since the playoffs last year they've perfected the art. All the other talk about the "quality" of their wins is just fluff.

Like @Coach Tuesdaysaid-  they’ve got a hold of you 

[NewEra]

22 hours ago, FireChans said:

which makes our only win against a playoff team (them) mean exactly what about the 2024 Bills

 

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ho lee *****.

 

i have explained this multiple times.

 

The Chiefs win is the biggest win on our schedule thus far. 
 

Demeaning them as “frauds” after the fact lessens how big that win was, and I don’t agree with it. We saw that team look WORSE last year and flip a switch in the postseason. This year, they were undefeated when we faced them, and had beaten some pretty good teams along the way, like the Ravens and the Chargers, and basically played a part in ending the Bengals year before it could begin who have a great QB in Burrow. 
 

If we had lost to this iteration of the Chiefs, it would have sucked. It would have been more evidence they are a class above even if they weren’t playing their best ball, and we would feel a step below with teams like Houston and the Ravens. 

So now because we WON, I won’t demean them as a team when that lessens how we should feel about our Bills. The Ravens are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. The Bengals are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. We should be glad we did and glad we won that game, not calling them frauds who are first round exit bound. Because, again, what does that make us if they are frauds and aren’t as good as a team like the Ravens? Does that make us 2nd or 3rd in the conference? Lower?
 

Again, in your haste to try to dunk on me by confusing the AFC West with the NFC West (blocked by James!) you didn’t realize I was defending the BILLS. 
 

Now GO GET YOUR ***** SHINEBOX

You started this off with the first quote-  in reality-  it means absolutely nothing about the 2024 Bills-  it’s one game.  Teams line up and battle it out once a week for 17 weeks then some teams make the playoffs and do the same thing with their seasons at stake.  What has happened in week 1-18 means nothing.  Whichever teams come in the most prepared, receives the best coaching, is the healthiest, receives the most luck and plays the best has the better chance to come away with the win.   
 

a regular season win doesn’t mean anything.  Zip.  To answer your question.  

14 hours ago, Success said:

I thought we played a good game against them, and it still came down to a few plays.

 

So, there's that. They're not formidable or fearsome this year - but with Reid, Spags and Mahomes, they likely won't be an easy out for any team, regardless of how they've looked.

 

Any given Sunday 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Pay your tribute to the one you see fit, Chan.  I’ll take care of mine and my own counsel I’ll keep on who that is.  
 

…and that isn’t to a team we’ve beaten 4 out of the last 6, three in their barn and our last loss coming with guys playing for us who were in street clothes days before.

 

I’ll be afraid of the monster that scares me, not the one that doesn’t and they certainly don’t regardless of their title.

 

 

 

 

You don’t have to kiss the ring.

 

You can appreciate it as a quality win against our biggest rival.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

You don’t have to kiss the ring.

 

You can appreciate it as a quality win against our biggest rival.

 

I like that, Chan…a lot.

 

I’ll go with you on that one, Sir.

 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

45 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

You started this off with the first quote-  in reality-  it means absolutely nothing about the 2024 Bills-  it’s one game.  Teams line up and battle it out once a week for 17 weeks then some teams make the playoffs and do the same thing with their seasons at stake.  What has happened in week 1-18 means nothing.  Whichever teams come in the most prepared, receives the best coaching, is the healthiest, receives the most luck and plays the best has the better chance to come away with the win.   
 

a regular season win doesn’t mean anything.  Zip.  To answer your question.  

Any given Sunday 

Okay fine. I won’t be optimistic because we are the only team to beat the two time defending SB champs. You win. We looked awful vs the Ravens and the Texans, so really there’s nothing to be positive about when we will likely need to play 2/3 of them again to make the SB.

 

Happy?

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay fine. I won’t be optimistic because we are the only team to beat the two time defending SB champs. You win. We looked awful vs the Ravens and the Texans, so really there’s nothing to be positive about when we will likely need to play 2/3 of them again to make the SB.

 

Happy?

You can be optimistic-  it doesn’t mean anything. 
 

You can be pessimistic based on the ravens and Texans games.  It just doesn’t mean anything.  
 

that was the question that you asked.  I answered.  
 

I’m usually happy and VERY optimistic.  And I’d be VERY optimistic even if we had lost to KC.  
 

i’m just doing what you do to others.  
 

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You can be optimistic-  it doesn’t mean anything. 
 

You can be pessimistic based on the ravens and Texans games.  It just doesn’t mean anything.  
 

that was the question that you asked.  I answered.  
 

I’m usually happy and VERY optimistic.  And I’d be VERY optimistic even if we had lost to KC.  
 

i’m just doing what you do to others.  
 

 

I disagree.

 

i think being the only team to beat KC, our biggest rival who is probably the single biggest reason Josh doesn’t have at least one if not multiple SB’s at this point means a lot. I think succeeding where other playoff teams in our conference failed means a lot. I also think that having our wheels beat off by the Ravens in primetime means a lot too. For us and for them. I don’t like that matchup on its face come postseason time.

 

You are happy to feel differently and welcome to attempt to “do what I do to others” as poorly as you’d like.

[NewEra]

Just now, FireChans said:

I disagree.

 

i think being the only team to beat KC, our biggest rival who is probably the single biggest reason Josh doesn’t have at least one if not multiple SB’s at this point means a lot. I think succeeding where other playoff teams in our conference failed means a lot. I also think that having our wheels beat off by the Ravens in primetime means a lot too. For us and for them. I don’t like that matchup on its face come postseason time.

 

You are happy to feel differently and welcome to attempt to “do what I do to others” as poorly as you’d like.

But what does it mean?  “Meaning a lot” isn’t the answer to your question.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

But what does it mean?  “Meaning a lot” isn’t the answer to your question.

Okay what does it mean?

 

It means that the psychological advantage I believe KC has had and still has over us in the postseason is lessened. Had we lost to KC? I think this team and this locker room would have that hanging over their head the rest of the season, especially right before the bye. 
 

I also think it helped us schematically. We know that even with an injured Cooper and the rag tag bunch at receivers we trotted out, we saw some weak spots in their defense. Cooper himself had a few MASSIVE catches with one working hand. we exposed some flaws. Now, if KC decides to do less single coverage on Cooper, and Coleman/Kincaid can come back healthy, that opens up some room to work.

 

We also saw OCT go toe to toe with a future HoFer in Chris Jones and hold his own. After his rough start to the year, that’s gotta be tremendous for his confidence as a young player.

 

From a Ravens perspective, we saw that they successfully attacked our second level of LBers and S’s to great success. They had Dorian and Spector and Hamlin spinning like tops out there. Schematically, we adjusted and did quite a bit better, but next time we may not have to wait. Hopefully neither of Williams or Spector will be out there when we face them again, and we’ll have Taron backing them up as well, so if they try that same gameplan again, they will be due for a surprise imo. Ultimately, I don’t fear the Ravens as much because I don’t see a reason to fear Lamar in the postseason thus far in his career.
 

We have learned some things from these teams that we have played and will play again. Will gameplans change come playoffs? Sure, they can. To pretend they mean nothing is ignorant. Just don’t bother watching til the playoffs start if weeks 1-18 don’t matter.  

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay what does it mean?

 

It means that the psychological advantage I believe KC has had and still has over us in the postseason is lessened. Had we lost to KC? I think this team and this locker room would have that hanging over their head the rest of the season, especially right before the bye. 
 

I also think it helped us schematically. We know that even with an injured Cooper and the rag tag bunch at receivers we trotted out, we saw some weak spots in their defense. Cooper himself had a few MASSIVE catches with one working hand. we exposed some flaws. Now, if KC decides to do less single coverage on Cooper, and Coleman/Kincaid can come back healthy, that opens up some room to work.

 

We also saw OCT go toe to toe with a future HoFer in Chris Jones and hold his own. After his rough start to the year, that’s gotta be tremendous for his confidence as a young player.

 

From a Ravens perspective, we saw that they successfully attacked our second level of LBers and S’s to great success. They had Dorian and Spector and Hamlin spinning like tops out there. Schematically, we adjusted and did quite a bit better, but next time we may not have to wait. Hopefully neither of Williams or Spector will be out there when we face them again, and we’ll have Taron backing them up as well, so if they try that same gameplan again, they will be due for a surprise imo. Ultimately, I don’t fear the Ravens as much because I don’t see a reason to fear Lamar in the postseason thus far in his career.
 

We have learned some things from these teams that we have played and will play again. Will gameplans change come playoffs? Sure, they can. To pretend they mean nothing is ignorant. Just don’t bother watching til the playoffs start if weeks 1-18 don’t matter.  

The psychological advantage KC had on us didn’t look lessened when we beat them the last 3 years….. We went into KC and beat them last season then they beat us at home.  They didn’t go home demoralized after the loss.  They beat us in our own stadium when it really mattered.  

After reading all of this- I don’t see what any of this “means”.  Every good thing that happened in the last 3 regular season wins “meant” the same thing….  Until it didn’t when they beat us in the playoffs.  It means that we played well enough, were coached well enough and got enough lucky breaks to win that game.  If cooper doesn’t get his feet down in the playoff game, we might loses. If josh overthrows a pass that he hit on, we might lose.  
 

we didn’t have Taron or Bernard in the game vs the Ravens.   That’s one of the reasons they gashed us like they did.  Babich likely learned that he needs to adjust his game plan and play more in the box more often them come playoffs.  Josh will likely have a better WR into to throw to vs the Texans and won’t have an atrocious game like he did.  
 

None of this stuff means anything.  Coaching adjustments will be made.  Teams will be healthier or more injured.  Refs will likely favor one team more than the other in some capacity.  Players will have to execute and make big plays.  
 

agree to disagree

 

 

[bigduke6]

will not overlook, underestimate,  of write off the Chefs,  until i see it happen on the field with my own two eyes.   i dont care that theyve looked mediocre to this point this season in a number of games.  in a must win playoff game,  theyre absolutely still dangerous,  until they show they arent.

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Mahomes is still great and their championship experience will get them to buffalo in the AFC championship. But we have the better QB and team. And that's where it will end for KC this year...

if they keep winning these games then they will be locking up the 1st seed.