Fitz - If you feel good about the Chiefs, you’re in denial

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Oh you were most certainly dunked on. I'll forgive you for not meaning to quote me in that post. Carry on.

 

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I haven't seen or known one person who said that.  We learned our lesson last year.  What's a little different this year is their defense isn't as good.  The pass rush isn't what is was last year and losing Sneed and Ward definitely stresses their pass defense.  If you ignored the name and history of this specific team though and just looked at the metrics we'd call them a fraudulent 11-1 team. 

 

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

which makes our only win against a playoff team (them) mean exactly what about the 2024 Bills

Now go get your ***** shinebox.

[Einstein]

12 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah in back to back weeks they've barely escaped defeat against teams competing for the #1 pick.

Tons and tons of Bills fans with PTSD finding any reason to cling to the idea that the Chiefs are elite right now.

Theyre not.

Maybe that changes at some point, but as of right now, they’re not even a top 7 team IMO.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

 

Now go get your ***** shinebox.

 

What point do you think you are making here? Are they a fraudulent 11-1 team? 100% percent. Trying to argue differently is not being objective. Are they still a good football team whose floor is around 12-5? 100%

 

I mean it doesn't exactly make me feel any better that they are 11-1 frauds that still have the best chance of landing the 1 seed if the Bills don't pull out the upset in Detroit in a couple of weeks.

[Rockinon]

38 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

It will be sweeter and set a whole lot of wrongs right. But it's a stretch to hope for that this year as I am not convinced the Chiefs will make the AFCCG

I agree. The Chiefs do look like team that will get picked off in the playoffs. There are some other teams that look more impressive. Still, it's a good dream.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

What point do you think you are making here? Are they a fraudulent 11-1 team? 100% percent. Trying to argue differently is not being objective. Are they still a good football team whose floor is around 12-5? 100%

 

I mean it doesn't exactly make me feel any better that they are 11-1 frauds that still have the best chance of landing the 1 seed if the Bills don't pull out the upset in Detroit in a couple of weeks.

Ho lee *****.

 

i have explained this multiple times.

 

The Chiefs win is the biggest win on our schedule thus far. 
 

Demeaning them as “frauds” after the fact lessens how big that win was, and I don’t agree with it. We saw that team look WORSE last year and flip a switch in the postseason. This year, they were undefeated when we faced them, and had beaten some pretty good teams along the way, like the Ravens and the Chargers, and basically played a part in ending the Bengals year before it could begin who have a great QB in Burrow. 
 

If we had lost to this iteration of the Chiefs, it would have sucked. It would have been more evidence they are a class above even if they weren’t playing their best ball, and we would feel a step below with teams like Houston and the Ravens. 

So now because we WON, I won’t demean them as a team when that lessens how we should feel about our Bills. The Ravens are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. The Bengals are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. We should be glad we did and glad we won that game, not calling them frauds who are first round exit bound. Because, again, what does that make us if they are frauds and aren’t as good as a team like the Ravens? Does that make us 2nd or 3rd in the conference? Lower?
 

Again, in your haste to try to dunk on me by confusing the AFC West with the NFC West (blocked by James!) you didn’t realize I was defending the BILLS. 
 

Now GO GET YOUR ***** SHINEBOX

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Tons and tons of Bills fans with PTSD finding any reason to cling to the idea that the Chiefs are elite right now.

Theyre not.

Maybe that changes at some point, but as of right now, they’re not even a top 7 team IMO.

 

 

If we play them will it be close?

If it’s close do they tend to perform well?

Does it matter how they’re are playing at this point when the above is basically the floor of how bad they can get?

[UKBillFan]

Good teams pull out wins from poor performances against bad sides.

Bad teams end up with losses despite decent performances against good sides.

 

We've seen it all before from the Chiefs. Until they're knocked out of the post season they are a threat.

[BCAS Baritone]

If next Sunday the schedule was Bills at Chiefs, I'd expect the Bills to be a slight favorite.  If it was Ravens or Steelers at Chiefs, I'd expect Chiefs to be a slight favorite.  Lions or Eagles at Chiefs might also see the road team favored.  Anybody else would see the Chiefs with larger spreads.

 

A healthy Hollywood Brown coming onto the field might change things some.  Other than that I don't see any big positive needle mover for the Chiefs.  Then it will depend on how injuries shake out between now and the playoffs.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

49 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Ho lee *****.

 

i have explained this multiple times.

 

The Chiefs win is the biggest win on our schedule thus far. 
 

Demeaning them as “frauds” after the fact lessens how big that win was, and I don’t agree with it. We saw that team look WORSE last year and flip a switch in the postseason. This year, they were undefeated when we faced them, and had beaten some pretty good teams along the way, like the Ravens and the Chargers, and basically played a part in ending the Bengals year before it could begin who have a great QB in Burrow. 
 

If we had lost to this iteration of the Chiefs, it would have sucked. It would have been more evidence they are a class above even if they weren’t playing their best ball, and we would feel a step below with teams like Houston and the Ravens. 

So now because we WON, I won’t demean them as a team when that lessens how we should feel about our Bills. The Ravens are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. The Bengals are miserable they couldn’t get the Chiefs. We should be glad we did and glad we won that game, not calling them frauds who are first round exit bound. Because, again, what does that make us if they are frauds and aren’t as good as a team like the Ravens? Does that make us 2nd or 3rd in the conference? Lower?
 

Again, in your haste to try to dunk on me by confusing the AFC West with the NFC West (blocked by James!) you didn’t realize I was defending the BILLS. 
 

Now GO GET YOUR ***** SHINEBOX

12-5 frauds lol

 

would you not be happy beating a 12-5 team???

 

I’m not going to sugar coat the win as if we beat a great 11-1 team. at the same time we beat a good team despite their flaws and we should all be happy about that. Plus it is always fun to give the last unbeaten team their first loss of the year whether it is the Chiefs or any other team.
 

how hard is that to understand?
 

I will wait for your shine box response. Although this argument has obviously run it’s course.

46 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

If we play them will it be close?

If it’s close do they tend to perform well?

 

Bills are 4-2 in the last six games against them. The only two that were not one score games were won by the bills. One of which was a blow out.

 

so if it is not close the Bills likely win. If it is close it’s a coin flip game. That’s what the last six games tell us.

Edited November 30 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[BigAl2526]

The difference between the Chiefs and last year's Eagles is Mahomes.  Mahomes is as tough mentally as any QB in the league and has a range of unorthodox ways to make plays when the called play breaks down.  Jalen Hurts is a good athletic QB, but I don't think he improvises the way Mahomes can.  Mahomes has pulled off a number of wins this season that most QBs could not have.  That said, the Chiefs are vulnerable this year in a way they have not been some years and are nowhere close to a sure thing in the playoffs.  Even if Buffalo doesn't gain a playoffs bye and home field throughout, I think their odds are decent against the Chiefs playing in Kansas City.

[Playoffs?]

12 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

People that think we will just roll them or they aren’t a threat are in far greater denial. I’m not sure what to make of all this to be honest. After that win many looked at us like it was a sign we were the best in football. Yet on the other hand the Chiefs suck? Now I’m reading a lot of these big takes that the Chiefs will be rollovers. This after us converting a 4th down play that likely swings the game the other way if we don’t get it. I really can’t make sense out of the contradictions at this point.  

I think the Chiefs have a way of playing up to better competition and down to lesser competition. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

So I'm not one to think that everything is a conspiracy, but when EPSN just skips the one game the Chiefs lost to the Bills, have to start to wonder.  

 

No this is not photo shopped this is off the ESPN mobile site!

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's what is different about the Chiefs now - because neither their offense nor their defense are performing at an elite level they are not going to blow teams out. Out of their 11 wins only 2 have been by more than one score. So I understand why the common belief now is that they aren't championship caliber. Because for 55 minutes they look ordinary. The thing with them is that one phase of the ball, some player or two, is always going to step up in the last 5 minutes. Or the coaching staff is going to make the exact right decision for the game that they are in. Yesterday is a great example - they've watched the Raiders miss three kicks of 50+ yards. So they play the odds. Instead of going for it on 4th and 2, they dare the Raiders and their joke of a QB and their joke of a coach to execute a long drive to get within a manageable kicking distance. They put all of the pressure on their opponent knowing they are almost certain to come out on top. In a different game script against a different opponent, they would have made different decisions to win the game. They don't care what happens for the first 55 minutes. They don't expect to dominate their opponent, they expect to win and they always do. Josh Allen is the only person in the NFL that's managed to beat them at their own game this year. I suspect he is the only one that can.

 

Throwing a bomb on 3rd and 2 and then not trying to draw them Offside on 4th and 2 was next level.  LOL.  I understand what you're saying but I think you're giving them too much credit for yesterday's game.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, 90sBills said:

There are posts in this thread that says they’re fraudulent and would be 1 and done in the playoffs. So yes there are people that think they’re not a threat.

Chiefs fans in disguise.

[TBBills Fan]

If the bills were winning like this I would NOT have high hopes for the playoffs 

4 hours ago, Rockinon said:

I want to see the Chiefs have to play through the playoffs as a wildcard only to meet Buffalo in the AFC championship game, then get demolished.😆 One can dream....

55-3 demolish would be perfect

[Governor]

7 hours ago, zow2 said:

I’ve said it for 4 weeks now, KC will lose in the first round, even at home, and the Bills will not see them again until next season.

They can still beat every team but us unless Denver or LA got exceptionally hot late. Houston or Steelers aren’t beating them on any day.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

Tons and tons of Bills fans with PTSD finding any reason to cling to the idea that the Chiefs are elite right now.

Theyre not.

Maybe that changes at some point, but as of right now, they’re not even a top 7 team IMO.

I think we need to see "The Russian is cut" in the postseason with the Chiefs.  I hope we're the team that does it.

[gobills404]

This seemed like the most relevant thread to post this

 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

So I'm not one to think that everything is a conspiracy, but when EPSN just skips the one game the Chiefs lost to the Bills, have to start to wonder.  

 

No this is not photo shopped this is off the ESPN mobile site!

 

The full score results are ESPN+ premium content

[90sBills]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

That's different than thinking they are not a threat. They still can win every game. They have championship pedigree.  Their problem right now is that they have shown that EVERY game is going to be a dogfight. No easy wins for them. Last year in the playoffs they at least got an easy win against the Dolphins. This version of the Chiefs would be in a 3 pt game vs. that same Dolphins team. 

 

Would you honestly be shocked if they lost their first playoff game? They have 11 wins and point differential below 60 I think. 

KC’s biggest issue is their LT imo. If that’s not sorted out then yeah I can see them losing their first playoffs game.