Raiders @ Chiefs — Black Friday — 3 PM Eastern — Prime Video

[Livinginthepast]

KC have become the Pats from 10 years ago. They are obviously good team but incredibly lucky. But their main strength, just like the Pats of old is just being patient for the teams they play to just implode with either moronic coaching decisions or shoot themselves in the foot with inexplicably terrible play. Today was an example of the latter. 

[DapperCam]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Record is all that matters. The rest is fluff for talking heads. Everyone said the Bills would be worse off this year because they let talented players go. Turns out we have our best record in decades instead. Football is about much more than talent. The more the Chiefs win one score games, the better they become at doing so. It's the ultimate superpower in a league that is mostly about winning one score games. This year they've finally perfected the art. They let the game come to them, make sure it's a one score game near the end, and from there it's a guaranteed win. A top WR and top LT combined isn't worth as much as that superpower when it comes to the win column.

Record is not all that matters when you are trying to predict future outcomes. There are many examples of teams with great records not reflective of their play at this point in the season that fall apart or predictably get bounced early in the playoffs. The Eagles last year, the Vikings the year they beat the Bills in OT, the Steelers when they had washed Big Ben leading them. That's just off the top of my mind, there are more. I know they are the masters of the one score game, but they aren't skillfully defeating their opponents this year, they are relying on dumb luck and in a couple of games favorable calls from the refs at crucial moments.

You think the Steelers will mess up and give the game to the Chiefs at the end of the game? No way, they are well coached too and will win if it comes down to that.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's fair. Do you think they will get 6 rings though? (3 more)

 

For sure. Part of it is that the level of competition is lower now than it was in the Pats dynasty years.

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

Tom Brady’s playoff fumble against raiders was a lucky play. But after that, I don’t remember any big luck they got to went on to superbowl. You may say Brady missing a year was a payback for their luck.

To this day no one ever talks about it because the video is not out there but in 1992, Dallas at Washington (RFK Stadium) the redskins were fighting for there life in a december matchup.  

 

fourth quarter Dallas gets a late fourth down stop at like the 5.  Then Aikman drops back and goes to throw and fumbles, its the identical play to the Brady tuck rule play, its ruled a fumble and the skins recover, then win the game and lose in the playoffs.  Dallas never lost again and jimmy johnson didn't allow the team to be served dinner on the plane because he was disgusted and wanted the team to be as disgusted as he was with the loss.  

 

anyway, When they called that tuck rule I always remembered that Dallas game and how it was a fumble for Aikman.

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think pit would be a real problem for them…I guess we’ll see shortly lol. They would be praying Houston sneaks out of a hypothetical pit vs Houston matchup imo. 

no question.  KC's defense might smother both of them if they can stop the run like they usually do though.

 

They were not very good against the run today but something tells me vs houston and pittsburgh they will be much better here in a few weeks because it will be the key to stopping both offenses.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Record is not all that matters when you are trying to predict future outcomes. There are many examples of teams with great records not reflective of their play at this point in the season that fall apart or predictably get bounced early in the playoffs. The Eagles last year, the Vikings the year they beat the Bills in OT, the Steelers when they had washed Big Ben leading them. That's just off the top of my mind, there are more. I know they are the masters of the one score game, but they aren't skillfully defeating their opponents this year, they are relying on dumb luck and in a couple of games favorable calls from the refs at crucial moments.

You think the Steelers will mess up and give the game to the Chiefs at the end of the game? No way, they are well coached too and will win if it comes down to that.

 

The good news is the debate will resolve itself over the next few weeks. My prediction is 16-1, and then either we beat them or they win the Super Bowl. My prediction is that everyone will think they're a lesser team because they barely beat the worst teams in the league, but they'll beat all of their opponents from here on out in the exact same manner no matter the quality of the opponent. I truly hope that I'm wrong of course.

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

For sure. Part of it is that the level of competition is lower now than it was in the Pats dynasty years.

Why do you say that? Brady mainly faced Manning and Big Ben, Mahomes has Allen and Burrow (as well as a certain 2 time MVP that can’t play well enough in the playoffs)

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I also thought you guys were going to savage them.

Those issues in front of Mahomes are going to sting you eventually.

Win or lose, he’s been getting beat to hell.  I’m far more confident that Andy can go to the whip in the postseason than I am that Mahomes can survive the beating he’s been taking until then.  Everyone crapped on Sam Darnold for saying he was seeing ghosts, but that’s a real thing and Patrick’s doing the same thing right now.  He’s got open receivers more often than not.  Hard to see them when you’re dropping your eyes because you’ve been ear-holed by a DE 10 times.

 

They just signed DJ Humphries who should be ready next week.  The hope in KC is that he becomes the latest example of the rest of the league making a massive mistake by letting the Chiefs get exactly what they need.  We’ll see, I guess.

[DapperCam]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

The good news is the debate will resolve itself over the next few weeks. My prediction is 16-1, and then either we beat them or they win the Super Bowl. My prediction is that everyone will think they're a lesser team because they barely beat the worst teams in the league, but they'll beat all of their opponents from here on out in the exact same manner no matter the quality of the opponent. I truly hope that I'm wrong of course.

We shall see if they can continue to pull a rabbit out of a hat. I think they lose 2 more games and finish 14-3. They still might be the #1 seed anyway, because I could see the Bills dropping 2 as well (Rams and Lions possibly). I think Bills, Ravens, and Steelers would definitely beat them in the playoffs.

[MikePJ76]

5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why do you say that? Brady mainly faced Manning and Big Ben, Mahomes has Allen and Burrow (as well as a certain 2 time MVP that can’t play well enough in the playoffs)

Baltimore, the titans and Rivers chargers teams were very good.  I would say very good to be honest.

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

For sure. Part of it is that the level of competition is lower now than it was in the Pats dynasty years.

You might be right, but 3 more rings is a lot. I hope you are wrong haha as I can't stomach 3-4 more championships for KC 

[TH3]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Record is all that matters. The rest is fluff for talking heads. Everyone said the Bills would be worse off this year because they let talented players go. Turns out we have our best record in decades instead. Football is about much more than talent. The more the Chiefs win one score games, the better they become at doing so. It's the ultimate superpower in a league that is mostly about winning one score games. This year they've finally perfected the art. They let the game come to them, make sure it's a one score game near the end, and from there it's a guaranteed win. A top WR and top LT combined isn't worth as much as that superpower when it comes to the win column.

Lol superpower …they aren’t that good.. they just played two bumblearse teams and were lucky to win

[Billl]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Baltimore, the titans and Rivers chargers teams were very good.  I would say very good to be honest.

So Flacco, Rivers, and Tannehill?

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Lol superpower …they aren’t that good.. they just played two bumblearse teams and were lucky to win

 

The Chiefs are 9-0 in one score games this year. What would you call that?

 

Edited November 30 by HappyDays

[Billl]

32 minutes ago, Dafan said:

Actually they didn't.  Flags went up and whistles blown.  Ball was not recovered at that time.  And illegal shift does not stop the play, which the refs were doing.  Only an offensive false start stops the play.  

Nope.  No whistle was blown.  The refs got it 100% correct.  

[Mikie2times]

17 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Record is not all that matters when you are trying to predict future outcomes. There are many examples of teams with great records not reflective of their play at this point in the season that fall apart or predictably get bounced early in the playoffs. The Eagles last year, the Vikings the year they beat the Bills in OT, the Steelers when they had washed Big Ben leading them. That's just off the top of my mind, there are more. I know they are the masters of the one score game, but they aren't skillfully defeating their opponents this year, they are relying on dumb luck and in a couple of games favorable calls from the refs at crucial moments.

You think the Steelers will mess up and give the game to the Chiefs at the end of the game? No way, they are well coached too and will win if it comes down to that.

I would think this way with other teams but not them, nor the Pats during the run they had. Look at like this. Will we be in a one score game if we play them in the playoffs? I don't know anybody could argue against that. Now hypothetically say they really passed the eye test these last few weeks. Would you still think it will be a one score game? Sure. Nearly all of them have with the exception of some late scores. Bottom line, we will likely find ourselves in a very similar situation if we face them in the playoffs as we did in the most recent match up. Even if we are better, we will need to execute on what is likely our last drive to kill the clock or go up two scores. Anything less than that and it's unlikely we win (or anybody for that matter). 

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

25 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

KC have become the Pats from 10 years ago. They are obviously good team but incredibly lucky. But their main strength, just like the Pats of old is just being patient for the teams they play to just implode with either moronic coaching decisions or shoot themselves in the foot with inexplicably terrible play. Today was an example of the latter. 

 

Those Pats teams were much better coached and filled w young hungry players. Night vs day IMO. They killed special teams and had a very simple system.

 

[The Wiz]

34 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

Tom Brady’s playoff fumble against raiders was a lucky play. But after that, I don’t remember any big luck they got to went on to superbowl. You may say Brady missing a year was a payback for their luck.

Not necessarily luck but yelling at the refs to throw a flag enough that he got them.

[4merper4mer]

21 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

The problem is the same game would NOT be played between Raiders and Jaguars because Jaguars are NOT the Chiefs! Just like if you starts with “if the same game played between the Bills and Chiefs..” everyone will jump on you and say the Bills are NOT the Raiders, and they are 100% correct.

Complete circular logic.

 

When the Patriots played the Jets and eked out a win, the game was similar to the game today.  Are the Patriots similar to the Chiefs now?

 

The undeniable fact is that had the Raiders not shot themselves in the foot AND got screwed by the refs, they would have had a chance to win the game with a FG.  That has nothing to do with the Chiefs being fundamentally sound.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

So Flacco, Rivers, and Tannehill?

well imo the league as a whole was better, better coaches more physical game that was tied to the old game, again because of the coaches and player mindset.

 

Yea Man Flacco won a super bowl in 2012 but umm I meant more in that they had some all timers on defense and were an extremely physical team.  I mean ed Reed and ray lewis are two of the leagues all time players, and then you add in Terrell Suggs and Willie anderson.  If you want to associate that team with Flacco that is fine.  He won a super bowl which was enough to get a slightly above average player like Joe namth into the HOF.

 

Thinking more Mcnair, kerry collins vince young era titans.  The one that seemingly couldnt beat baltimore, pitt or new england in the playoffs.  Those were tough physical teams.  I guess the tannehill teams were pretty good too.

 

and yea the chargers were loaded with talent for years and couldn't beat the pats in the playoffs it seemed every year.  Brees and Rivers.  Tomlinson etc.  Tough physical teams under marty with a pretty great coaching staff and then norv turners teams were very good too.  

 

nobody could beat the pats it seemed in the afc.  Then there is the nfc which imo was better then also.  

 

anyway.  this is a boring discussion.

[DapperCam]

29 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

KC have become the Pats from 10 years ago. They are obviously good team but incredibly lucky. But their main strength, just like the Pats of old is just being patient for the teams they play to just implode with either moronic coaching decisions or shoot themselves in the foot with inexplicably terrible play. Today was an example of the latter. 

I really don’t remember the Pats having a lot of luck like this winning games for them. The tuck rule game is the only obvious one I can think of.

 

I guess the Falcons deciding to choke the Super Bowl away was kind of lucky, but that wasn’t a single play it was like 60 plays.