Raiders @ Chiefs — Black Friday — 3 PM Eastern — Prime Video

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Success said:

I still don't know what happened.  I didn't have the sound on - wasn't the play blown dead?

 

sure looked like it!  Ref came running in signaling false start with whistle in his mouth

 

then the other refs told him KC needed to win per Roger and Taylor 

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Nah they're a better team right now than they were last year. I know it makes no sense given the injuries. No true #1 WR, no LT, no #2 CB, a replacement level kicker. It doesn't matter. They are the ultimate "find a way" team. You aren't going to find it in any of the data. But it is right there in the win/loss record. One team managed to overcome them because one player did to them what they usually do to everyone else. Only one player in the entire league is capable of stopping 19-1 and the first ever three-peat.

 

Im not buying it.  The Raiders and Panthers went through their D like a hot knife through butter when they needed to. i don’t think the KC defense is as good.  Rashee Rice and MVS were huge in the playoffs. Kelce played big in postseason and he seems to have aged a bit in one year.  Mahomes i’ll give you because he Will step it up in the playoffs like he always does. i just think all the close wins come back at you at some point and become some close losses.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

That’s fine and good, but they have largely not beaten teams on the fundamentals all year. They have relied on flukey BS like pass interference on 4th and a mile, a center snapping the ball when he shouldn’t, or blocking a chip shot  would-be game winning FG.

 

If the roles were reversed I would be calling the Bills frauds.

what you just described as flukey bs...is the chiefs playing the game fundamentally sound and not making back breaking mistakes.

 

know why the bills beat them last week, it's because they can play the fundamentally sound brand of football and have a unicorn at qb just like KC.  

 

I sure as hell hope they lose 3 of 5 to finish the season but again it's highly unlikely.

 

[thewookie1]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Nah they're a better team right now than they were last year. I know it makes no sense given the injuries. No true #1 WR, no LT, no #2 CB, a replacement level kicker. It doesn't matter. They are the ultimate "find a way" team. You aren't going to find it in any of the data. But it is right there in the win/loss record. One team managed to overcome them because one player did to them what they usually do to everyone else. Only one player in the entire league is capable of stopping 19-1 and the first ever three-peat.

sorry but nothing they did in this game equates to “finding a way to win” This was akin to a movie where the hero just so happens to have an abandoned truck next to him with a loaded gun in it when the villain tries to escape with a small motor boat near the truck and the hero with no military training snipes the villain in one shot while he motors away at a distance.

 

The refs decidedly gave KC the game. If they call the proper penalty of a false start, it’s a dead ball and remains Raiders ball. By claiming a illegal motion they can claim it’s a live ball foul while also ignoring the whistles that came in prior to the ball even being recovered.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Steptide said:

Looking at kc's remaining schedule, I can't see how they are the 1 seed if they continue to play the way they've been playing. Steelers, Chargers, broncos, Texans will all be tough games for them. Even the Browns may give them a tough time 

it won’t matter.  They will have the help of the officials and whatever black magic deal their franchise is under.  Disgusting to watch 

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

well I think  they do and do not care about point spreads.  They have to play two nfc west teams fighting to win the division and then the nfc's best team at detroit.  I think that is a very hard 3 game stretch.

5 of 6 teams with losing records.  They have much better chance of running the table than KC.

[Success]

I've watched football a long time.  When I stack up the times I've felt sick to my stomach vs. the times I've felt jubilant - it really makes me wonder if I'm using my time wisely.

 

[Process]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Looking at kc's remaining schedule, I can't see how they are the 1 seed if they continue to play the way they've been playing. Steelers, Chargers, broncos, Texans will all be tough games for them. Even the Browns may give them a tough time 

The browns will absolutely be a tough game for them. They just won by a combined 5 points vs 2 of the 3 worst teams in the league. They chiefs can lose to anyone. 

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

I still don't know what happened.  I didn't have the sound on - wasn't the play blown dead?

 

I personally do not hear a whistle until around the time KC recovers the ball but the one ref runs in signaling false start almost immediately so I have to assume he also blew his whistle.

 

It does seem like illegal shift is probably the correct call but if the play was truly blown dead it shouldn't count anyways. 

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I thought the play is dead if the whistle blows regardless 

You have to run that one by Taylor Swift to see what she thinks.

[aristocrat]

Raiders drove down the field looking great and then just ***** their pants. Just insane 

[thewookie1]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

what you just described as flukey bs...is the chiefs playing the game fundamentally sound and not making back breaking mistakes.

 

know why the bills beat them last week, it's because they can play the fundamentally sound brand of football and have a unicorn at qb just like KC.  

 

I sure as hell hope they lose 3 of 5 to finish the season but again it's highly unlikely.

 

That’s plain horse hockey. Being good fundamentally doesn’t award them drive saving calls or inexplicable oddities that make the opposing team to lose. Blocking a field goal is an aggravating but skilled play. Somehow getting the Raiders to false start snap to an unprepared QB and then get the refs to go in your favor with the call isn’t anything to do with KC being talented or clutch, that’s pure luck.

[MJS]

The Chiefs continue to be the luckiest team ever. It is super annoying.

[Mikie2times]

It just doesn't matter who they play. Every game will be a one score affair down to the wire and they're really good and being on the right side of those situations. If you're looking for style points to declare why they won't be a postseason threat you're mistaken. That's not who they're at this point and really wasn't last year either. 

[T.E.]

Pierce said they just wanted to throw out of bounds to take some time off the clock. What a colossal idiot even risking a snap there with a bad QB and bad line.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Did you miss last season?

 

They were clearly inferior to Baltimore and SF.

Go ahead and sympathize with the Chiefs Mike.

 

Everyone else is right, and it’s up to the rest of the league to not allow this to happen. 
 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

That’s plain horse hockey. Being good fundamentally doesn’t award them drive saving calls or inexplicable oddities that make the opposing team to lose. Blocking a field goal is an aggravating but skilled play. Somehow getting the Raiders to false start snap to an unprepared QB and then get the refs to go in your favor with the call isn’t anything to do with KC being talented or clutch, that’s pure luck.

or

 

the chiefs didn't commit any back breaking penalties on that final drive, for instance something like Karlaftis blasting oconnell after a pass giving them 15 extra yards and stopping the clock allowing them to get set and kick a field  goal 0r run another play etc.  Instead the raiders had to be perfect.  They had to go down and run their two minute drill perfectly then leave enough time for their kicker to have a shot.  then they need to execute the kick.

 

KC puts so much pressure on other teams to be perfect because you know going in they will not beat themselves and if you do not believe me then go back and search this thread for all the posts (myself included) about how the game felt over when the raiders missed their second field goal attempt.  IF yo make mistakes you lose because they will not.  

 

 

[mannc]

11 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The three misses by Carlson were all from 55 yards +.

 

Difficult to get on a kicker for that.

Especially outdoors in the cold, on grass

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

On the plus side, have you seen how the Chiefs are playing these last few weeks? They got a ridiculous special teams play vs the Broncos, got beaten by a battered Bills team by more than a score and beat two of the worst teams in the league by a combined 5 points.

 

Yes, the BS is real. But coming up is:

-two current AFC division leaders (Steelers and Texans)

-two playoff caliber division rivals desperate for WC spots (Chargers and Broncos rematches)

-a fluky Browns team that I have no idea what to expect of week to week

 

 

If the last month of play continues I think there's a reasonable chance they lose two and even then if they reach the playoffs playing like this?

 

[QLBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

what you just described as flukey bs...is the chiefs playing the game fundamentally sound and not making back breaking mistakes.

 

know why the bills beat them last week, it's because they can play the fundamentally sound brand of football and have a unicorn at qb just like KC.  

 

I sure as hell hope they lose 3 of 5 to finish the season but again it's highly unlikely.

 

Couldn’t disagree more. The Chiefs are playing bad football. Both OT’s are not good, and if not for Andy Reid whining about the penalties Taylor got in the season opener last year, they would be flagged every play. The CB is not good. They are not getting out of the first round.