Thanksgiving Day football, no Bills talk

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Yeah that 1-16 stat is incorrect.  The real number is 3-14 - though the point still largely is the same.  
 

The three wins are Baltimore and Buffalo which took some pretty crazy circumstances to get the W and Dallas last season.  
 

 

 

 

If you watch Miami in pre-game footage the players look like they are freezing.  I remember this last year in Kansas City and then again tonight.  I don’t think the cold is the only reason they lost but this group of players seems to be bothered by it to some effect 

 

One of those wins was the heat stroke game where Diggs and others kept running to the locker room for IVs

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I think I saw on Finheaven Tua is 7-17 vs teams with winning records in his career.  

And 1-11 the last 2 seasons. 

 

Those include games that he started and was bailed out by Fitz when the coach benched him.

[GunnerBill]

Black Friday morning reflections on the late game:

 

- I know Philadelphia are getting a lot of love but I think Green Bay might be the second best team in the conference. They battled through the first half of the season with a nicked up Quarterback but they are going to be a problem in the post season. My only reservation is I don't think they match up great vs the Lions should they meet their division rival in January;

- I am an unabashed Jordan Love fan. He is just such an aggressive decision maker and downfield thrower. He makes the odd mistake because he reads everything long to short but while he is the Pack QB they are never going to walk off a field not knowing. In an NFC lacking QB stars, Jordan Love is a QB star;

- As for Miami's offense, look I know Achane is a hell of a talented running back but they are at risk of over using him. I felt it at times vs Buffalo and I definitely felt it in that first half last night. Every time you throw to Achane rather than downfield to Waddle or Hill it is kind of a win for the defense. They did get Hill going a bit in the 2nd half but the game was already away from them. When you have two game breaking receivers with elite speed why allow yourself to turn into a dink and dunk running back and tight end offense? It makes no sense;

- This game was an advert for DVOA. The last few weeks I have lost count of the number of talking heads lining up to tell us how "Miami's defense has come around." Aaron Schatz of DVOA fame was on Schopp and Bulldog last week and they asked him directly what the numbers said and he said "no, not really they have just played some bad offenses" and would you believe it against a good offense they immediately give up 30, and the Packers were in cruise control 2nd half and could have scored more; 

- Where does it leave Miami? I think in a "must win out" situation in terms of making the playoffs but even if they don't 9-8 might be enough to make sure everyone stays in a job (most particularly GM Chris Grier). They only face one more team with a winning record - Houston in two weeks - and they themselves are wobbling. The path is narrow but a path remains.

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

[Mikie2times]

I have no idea where to put this but it’s pretty damn funny. Non QB Brady is actually likable 🙃 

 

https://www.facebook.com/NFLonCBS/videos/1888511011630542/?fs=e&mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikie2times

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Black Friday morning reflections on the late game:

 

- I know Philadelphia are getting a lot of love but I think Green Bay might be the second best team in the conference. They battled through the first half of the season with a nicked up Quarterback but they are going to be a problem in the post season. My only reservation is I don't think they match up great vs the Lions should they meet their division rival in January;

- I am an unabashed Jordan Love fan. He is just such an aggressive decision maker and downfield thrower. He makes the odd mistake because he reads everything long to short but while he is the Pack QB they are never going to walk off a field not knowing. In an NFC lacking QB stars, Jordan Love is a QB star;

- As for Miami's offense, look I know Achane is a hell of a talented running back but they are at risk of over using him. I felt it at times vs Buffalo and I definitely felt it in that first half last night. Every time you throw to Achane rather than downfield to Waddle or Hill it is kind of a win for the defense. They did get Hill going a bit in the 2nd half but the game was already away from them. When you have two game breaking receivers with elite speed why allow yourself to turn into a dink and dunk running back and tight end offense? It makes no sense;

- This game was an advert for DVOA. The last few weeks I have lost count of the number of talking heads lining up to tell us how "Miami's defense has come around." Aaron Schatz of DVOA fame was on Schopp and Bulldog last week and they asked him directly what the numbers said and he said "no, not really they have just played some bad offenses" and would you believe it against a good offense they immediately give up 30, and the Packers were in cruise control 2nd half and could have scored more; 

- Where does it leave Miami? I think in a "must win out" situation in terms of making the playoffs but even if they don't 9-8 might be enough to make sure everyone stays in a job (most particularly GM Chris Grier). They only face one more team with a winning record - Houston in two weeks - and they themselves are wobbling. The path is narrow but a path remains.

Between players like Kraft, Wicks, Doubs, Reed and Watson Green Bay has an assortment of solid weapons.  Also I think Josh Jacobs is still really good.   Love is the wildcard.  If he plays like he did against Miami they will be a tough out for anyone.

 

I think you are right about Miami’s

offense.  Everyone is raving about the passes to Achane and Jonnu Smith but I think teams would gladly give them receptions if it means the balls not going to Hill and Waddle.  
 

It also makes me wonder what’s going on with Hill.  Is he starting to show some decline?  Or is he just not getting ball in Miami’s newest version of offense?