ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Ok, so Biden completely reversed his previous stance on June of this year, why would that be? You dopes keep pretending that the situation is not the opposite of what was done from mid 2021 till early 2024. It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action and that Biden pursued that path (even allowing one of the most conservative senators to write the bill in exchange for propping up our allies) until it became clear that the GOP had no intention on actually solving the crisis when it’s a good election issue for them. But you dopes keep thinking that the president is a king who can solve everything with the wave of a pen. Edited November 29 by ChiGoose 3
JaCrispy Posted November 29 Posted November 29 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action and that Biden pursued that path (even allowing one of the most conservative senators to write the bill in exchange for propping up our allies) until it became clear that the GOP had no intention on actually solving the crises when it’s a good election issue for them. But you dopes keep thinking that the president is a king who can solve everything with the wave of a pen. That bill actually decriminalized illegal immigration for up to a million migrants per year… That bill was a fraud, and solved nothing, even though Dems and Establishment Republicans want to pretend like it did… 1 1
ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: That bill actually decriminalized illegal immigration for up to a million migrants per year… That bill was a fraud, and solved nothing, even though Dems and Establishment Republicans want to pretend like it did… You would fit in very well with the progressives and DemSocs with your “everything or nothing” approach to lawmaking. 1
JaCrispy Posted November 29 Posted November 29 8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You would fit in very well with the progressives and DemSocs with your “everything or nothing” approach to lawmaking. You either want to stop illegal immigration or you don’t… People supporting a bill that allows a million illegals clearly aren’t looking to stop it, and is a non starter… Why not eliminate all illegal immigration, and if 1000 get through, so be it…At least it’s not PURPOSELY allowing 1 MILLION illegals in… Pretty common sense, wouldn’t you say? 👍 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29 Posted November 29 27 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action and that Biden pursued that path (even allowing one of the most conservative senators to write the bill in exchange for propping up our allies) until it became clear that the GOP had no intention on actually solving the crisis when it’s a good election issue for them. But you dopes keep thinking that the president is a king who can solve everything with the wave of a pen. On Bidens first day on office he rescinded Trump's policy which is why the problems at the border escalated. But your last post is all the proof I need to show you are a liar or mentally stunted, you posted Biden fixed 75% problem in June of 2024 without Congress by executive order. 2
B-Man Posted November 29 Posted November 29 23 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You would fit in very well with the progressives and DemSocs with your “everything or nothing” approach to lawmaking. You fit in perfectly with the Left and the DC insiders with your "at least we did something" approach, even though it solves nothing. . 1
ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 52 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: On Bidens first day on office he rescinded Trump's policy which is why the problems at the border escalated. But your last post is all the proof I need to show you are a liar or mentally stunted, you posted Biden fixed 75% problem in June of 2024 without Congress by executive order. Since you seem to have reading comprehension issues, I’ll point out that the article cited multiple factors, not just the executive order. And in case you also didn’t do well in civics class, you should know that executive orders can be rescinded by any president. They do not have lasting value like a law would. Before you call me a liar, maybe wonder if you’re actually an idiot. 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: You either want to stop illegal immigration or you don’t… People supporting a bill that allows a million illegals clearly aren’t looking to stop it, and is a non starter… Why not eliminate all illegal immigration, and if 1000 get through, so be it…At least it’s not PURPOSELY allowing 1 MILLION illegals in… Pretty common sense, wouldn’t you say? 👍 You either want to stop illegal immigration or you want to stop anything that could curb it unless you get a big stupid wall across the desert that won’t do anything. The problem isn’t that I want illegal immigration, it’s that the GOP proposals to solve it neither solve it nor address the root causes. They’re just grandstanding non-starters designed to keep the issue alive for elections because it’s a good issue for them. What do you think decriminalize means, by the way? 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29 Posted November 29 17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Since you seem to have reading comprehension issues, I’ll point out that the article cited multiple factors, not just the executive order. And in case you also didn’t do well in civics class, you should know that executive orders can be rescinded by any president. They do not have lasting value like a law would. Before you call me a liar, maybe wonder if you’re actually an idiot. As you state the president can rescind prior presidents executive orders, I at no point insinuated he could not do that. You literally in back to back comments wrote "Analysts credit the Biden administration’s use of legal pathways, a June 2024 executive order on asylum policy and greater cooperation with Mexico for the significant decline at the border. Illegal entry is lower today than when Donald Trump left office, a fact neither side mentions on the campaign trail.” Then immediately wrote "It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action" My reading comprehension is fine, so let me ask which previous statement is incorrect, did Biden use executive orders to improve the border or does he need Congress to do anything?
JaCrispy Posted November 29 Posted November 29 23 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Since you seem to have reading comprehension issues, I’ll point out that the article cited multiple factors, not just the executive order. And in case you also didn’t do well in civics class, you should know that executive orders can be rescinded by any president. They do not have lasting value like a law would. Before you call me a liar, maybe wonder if you’re actually an idiot. You either want to stop illegal immigration or you want to stop anything that could curb it unless you get a big stupid wall across the desert that won’t do anything. The problem isn’t that I want illegal immigration, it’s that the GOP proposals to solve it neither solve it nor address the root causes. They’re just grandstanding non-starters designed to keep the issue alive for elections because it’s a good issue for them. What do you think decriminalize means, by the way? The people Trump appointed for the border are 100 times more serious than the Biden administration about stopping illegal immigration… And I will bet anything that we will see better results…I’ll go even further and predict that the Trump administration will make that fake border bill look like a joke…These people are not F-ing around, and I will embrace every moment of it…👍
ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: As you state the president can rescind prior presidents executive orders, I at no point insinuated he could not do that. You literally in back to back comments wrote "Analysts credit the Biden administration’s use of legal pathways, a June 2024 executive order on asylum policy and greater cooperation with Mexico for the significant decline at the border. Illegal entry is lower today than when Donald Trump left office, a fact neither side mentions on the campaign trail.” Then immediately wrote "It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action" My reading comprehension is fine, so let me ask which previous statement is incorrect, did Biden use executive orders to improve the border or does he need Congress to do anything? You said “you posted Biden fixed 75% problem in June of 2024 without Congress by executive order” when I said no such thing, as I had quoted an article saying there were multiple factors diving down illegal immigration. You’re continuing to ignore the non-executive action factors driving the change and then appearing confused when called out on it. Additionally, any action that can be immediately rescinded can hardly be called as solving a problem. Unless your definition of solving a problem is kicking the can down the road. Consider sitting down for a bit before you continue to embarrass yourself. 32 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: The people Trump appointed for the border are 100 times more serious than the Biden administration about stopping illegal immigration… And I will bet anything that we will see better results…I’ll go even further and predict that the Trump administration will make that fake border bill look like a joke…These people are not F-ing around, and I will embrace every moment of it…👍 Good luck with that. If Trump has his way, you’re going to see massive inflation on produce and other goods. But it’ll be worth it for you, right? Edited November 29 by ChiGoose
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29 Posted November 29 23 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: You said “you posted Biden fixed 75% problem in June of 2024 without Congress by executive order” when I said no such thing, as I had quoted an article saying there were multiple factors diving down illegal immigration. You’re continuing to ignore the non-executive action factors driving the change and then appearing confused when called out on it. Additionally, any action that can be immediately rescinded can hardly be called as solving a problem. Unless your definition of solving a problem is kicking the can down the road. Consider sitting down for a bit before you continue to embarrass yourself. Good luck with that. If Trump has his way, you’re going to see massive inflation on produce and other goods. Your mocking me when you keep contradicting yourself is fun. We both agree the problem improved dramatically since June, we both agree that Congress had nothing to do with it, we both agree that Biden rescinded all of Trump's rules, but you seem to have an issue rectifying two points: how did Biden fix so much of the problem without Congress since he can't do anything without Congress? And now you add in the brain dead concept that any law in the US can not be overturned tomorrow, except for what is in the Constitution. Reading this thread is showing me the concept that when a person is lied to repeatedly and often they react one of two ways: either get mad at those who lied to them( media and politicians) or double down on the lie so they don't have to admit being wrong. Usually the second version is more common in people who were willing dupes. 1
ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 34 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Your mocking me when you keep contradicting yourself is fun. We both agree the problem improved dramatically since June, we both agree that Congress had nothing to do with it, we both agree that Biden rescinded all of Trump's rules, but you seem to have an issue rectifying two points: how did Biden fix so much of the problem without Congress since he can't do anything without Congress? And now you add in the brain dead concept that any law in the US can not be overturned tomorrow, except for what is in the Constitution. Reading this thread is showing me the concept that when a person is lied to repeatedly and often they react one of two ways: either get mad at those who lied to them( media and politicians) or double down on the lie so they don't have to admit being wrong. Usually the second version is more common in people who were willing dupes. It’s really not as hard as you’re making it seem. Executive orders are insufficient for solving any longstanding problem because they lack the finality of an enacted law. They are a stopgap at best. If you actually care about solving a problem like the border crisis, you would do so with a law, not an executive order. Any action taken by executive order would almost certainly be insufficient and temporary. Reading your responses is showing me that you are an unserious hack who just guzzles whatever nonsense makes them feel good because solving hard problems is too difficult for you. The only actual solution to the border crisis is congressional action. Everything else is either mitigation or a distraction. But you seem willing to follow the shiny object because it’s easier than actually thinking for yourself.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted November 29 Posted November 29 News flash: trump is a liar https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/28/politics/trump-mexican-president-call-tariffs/index.html
JaCrispy Posted November 29 Posted November 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, ChiGoose said: You said “you posted Biden fixed 75% problem in June of 2024 without Congress by executive order” when I said no such thing, as I had quoted an article saying there were multiple factors diving down illegal immigration. You’re continuing to ignore the non-executive action factors driving the change and then appearing confused when called out on it. Additionally, any action that can be immediately rescinded can hardly be called as solving a problem. Unless your definition of solving a problem is kicking the can down the road. Consider sitting down for a bit before you continue to embarrass yourself. Good luck with that. If Trump has his way, you’re going to see massive inflation on produce and other goods. But it’ll be worth it for you, right? It’s not really about the tariffs…that is only a bargaining strategy, as we have seen with Mexico…Other countries simply can’t afford to lose our business, so they will likely play ball with our demands… Initially, I was against tariffs, as I’m usually for tax cuts…But if Trump can get the desired effect, it’s actually brilliant strategy- hence The Art of the Deal…👍 Kamala would have withered on the vine, when it came to dealing with these foreign leaders- which is exactly why Putin endorsed her…He knew, as many of us did, she is not made for the big leagues…While Trump “cut his teeth” in the toughest city in the world… Regardless of what your emotional trauma may be with Trump, you should rejoice in knowing we “dodged a bullet” with Kamala losing the election…we would have been the b*tches on the block…👍 Edited November 29 by JaCrispy
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted November 29 Posted November 29 8 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Since you seem to have reading comprehension issues, I’ll point out that the article cited multiple factors, not just the executive order. And in case you also didn’t do well in civics class, you should know that executive orders can be rescinded by any president. They do not have lasting value like a law would. Before you call me a liar, maybe wonder if you’re actually an idiot. You either want to stop illegal immigration or you want to stop anything that could curb it unless you get a big stupid wall across the desert that won’t do anything. The problem isn’t that I want illegal immigration, it’s that the GOP proposals to solve it neither solve it nor address the root causes. They’re just grandstanding non-starters designed to keep the issue alive for elections because it’s a good issue for them. What do you think decriminalize means, by the way? The border bill was nothing more than a poison pill. Putting a bandaid on a bullet wound.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29 Posted November 29 7 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It’s really not as hard as you’re making it seem. Executive orders are insufficient for solving any longstanding problem because they lack the finality of an enacted law. They are a stopgap at best. If you actually care about solving a problem like the border crisis, you would do so with a law, not an executive order. Any action taken by executive order would almost certainly be insufficient and temporary. Reading your responses is showing me that you are an unserious hack who just guzzles whatever nonsense makes them feel good because solving hard problems is too difficult for you. The only actual solution to the border crisis is congressional action. Everything else is either mitigation or a distraction. But you seem willing to follow the shiny object because it’s easier than actually thinking for yourself. Congressional action is also temporary because the next group in 2 years can change it just as quickly. Chi, if you admit our border situation was a cluster from 2021-2024 you need to ask yourself why. The fact that you recognize immigration is a complex topic is not an excuse for the crap show that existed the past few years, especially when you point out Congress did nothing this year but the situation is already 75% better.
dgrochester55 Posted November 29 Posted November 29 (edited) 11 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It’s almost as if the only way to solve the border issue is through congressional action and that Biden pursued that path (even allowing one of the most conservative senators to write the bill in exchange for propping up our allies) until it became clear that the GOP had no intention on actually solving the crisis when it’s a good election issue for them. But you dopes keep thinking that the president is a king who can solve everything with the wave of a pen. Are you lefties STILL trying the strategy of spouting out MSM generated propaganda pieces as if they are indisputable facts? As the election clearly stated, this doesn't work anymore. Calling that border bill a potential solution is the football team equivalent of saying that a team could have been set at QB is they had just signed Daniel Jones. You understand that the bill was obviously turned down because it was a poorly put together plan that compromised way too much, right? When are the far lefties going to figure out that people can research their own information and aren't taking mainstream media takes at face value anymore? I understand that deflecting, spinning, name calling and gaslighting are the four core tenants of modern day lefties, but they will need to do better in the future if they don't wanted to be cleanly swept in future elections. Edited November 29 by dgrochester55 2
ChiGoose Posted November 29 Posted November 29 2 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Congressional action is also temporary because the next group in 2 years can change it just as quickly. Chi, if you admit our border situation was a cluster from 2021-2024 you need to ask yourself why. The fact that you recognize immigration is a complex topic is not an excuse for the crap show that existed the past few years, especially when you point out Congress did nothing this year but the situation is already 75% better. I'm not sure what you think temporary means, but the factors listed for the decrease in crossings are all things that could change in a moment. In fact, Trump seems intent on undermining probably the most important factor: greater cooperation and partnership from Mexico. Again, I don't think you can claim you've solved an issue if your solution can be done away with easily and by people other than yourself. You seem hung up on the fact that temporary things can work temporarily but I don't think you can call that "solving" anything. MAGA thinks everything is simple and can be solved simply. Usually with loud noises and big talk. But their policies fall apart when applied to the real world because not everything is as simple as a Truth Social post.
BillsFanNC Posted November 29 Posted November 29 1 hour ago, dgrochester55 said: You understand that the bill was obviously turned down because it was a poorly put together plan that compromised way too much, right? When are the far lefties going to figure out that people can research their own information and aren't taking mainstream media takes at face value anymore? Precisely on the 12th of Never.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29 Posted November 29 12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I'm not sure what you think temporary means, but the factors listed for the decrease in crossings are all things that could change in a moment. In fact, Trump seems intent on undermining probably the most important factor: greater cooperation and partnership from Mexico. Again, I don't think you can claim you've solved an issue if your solution can be done away with easily and by people other than yourself. You seem hung up on the fact that temporary things can work temporarily but I don't think you can call that "solving" anything. MAGA thinks everything is simple and can be solved simply. Usually with loud noises and big talk. But their policies fall apart when applied to the real world because not everything is as simple as a Truth Social post. Every law not in the Constitution is potentially temporary because we change lawmakers in DC every two years. The fact that there is no easy solution to the border does not mean the Dems have not turned it into a cluster for 3 years. Your entire statement is arguing vs strawmen because your side is worked to help sex traffickers when Trump wants to stop them.
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