Do you support the Trump Tariffs?

[K D]

5 hours ago, daz28 said:

First, would there be a way to tangibly monitor and track migration, with set guidelines on when the tariffs would/wouldn't be in effect?  Second, that tariff is paid by US importers.  The only way to avoid passing that cost on to US customers would be to get the goods through another similarly priced market.  If the tariffs are on all Central American countries/markets, then where would we get these goods from at an affordable price for Americans?  Certainly not American farmers, as they will already be hurting from losses of their migrant worker force, and they won't be able to compete price wise. A lot of the tariffs on China worked out, but the agricultural ones not so much, and that's the main export from Central America.  The Canadian tariffs I really don't understand at all.  The Chinese tariffs, with regard to fentanyl, also has the same issue with migration, in how would you monitor its success?  I suppose we'll find out more details eventually, but for now those are some big questions. 

The point of the tariffs is as a negotiation tactic. Not to actually impose them. Mexico's economy would collapse if they can't sell to the US. They will have to comply 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

The threat of tariffs may/may not work over time, especially with the tendency for our government to change direction in dizzying fashion.  However, programs like this, with a substantial amount of money gifted over time, don’t seem to be the answer either.  Precious little oversight according to the GAO. 
 

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-335
 

Under the Mérida Initiative, the U.S. has spent about $3 billion since 2007 assisting security forces with fighting corruption and criminal organizations—like drug cartels—in Mexico.

For programs under the Initiative, there's a risk of funds going to individuals or groups involved in contract fraud, human rights abuses, or other crimes. Yet, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development haven't fully assessed such potential fraud risk. And although State screens Mexican security personnel for human rights violations, it has cut back on vetting other personnel, such as judges.

 

[LeviF]

49 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The threat of tariffs may/may not work over time, especially with the tendency for our government to change direction in dizzying fashion.  However, programs like this, with a substantial amount of money gifted over time, don’t seem to be the answer either.  Precious little oversight according to the GAO. 
 

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-335
 

Under the Mérida Initiative, the U.S. has spent about $3 billion since 2007 assisting security forces with fighting corruption and criminal organizations—like drug cartels—in Mexico.

For programs under the Initiative, there's a risk of funds going to individuals or groups involved in contract fraud, human rights abuses, or other crimes. Yet, the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development haven't fully assessed such potential fraud risk. And although State screens Mexican security personnel for human rights violations, it has cut back on vetting other personnel, such as judges.

 

 

That's really the rub here. Mexico is incredibly corrupt and mendacious, which is unbecoming of its true status as a client state of the USA. Its entire ruling class, including Sheinbaum (interesting name for a Mexican), is parasitic and enriches themselves off cartel bribes or siphoning funds provided by the United States, like the example in the quote above. As a result, Mexico is teetering on failed state status and in some areas within its borders almost certainly has no governing power.

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

That's really the rub here. Mexico is incredibly corrupt and mendacious, which is unbecoming of its true status as a client state of the USA. Its entire ruling class, including Sheinbaum (interesting name for a Mexican), is parasitic and enriches themselves off cartel bribes or siphoning funds provided by the United States, like the example in the quote above. As a result, Mexico is teetering on failed state status and in some areas within its borders almost certainly has no governing power.

Is the appropriate term "Narco-State"?

[Roundybout]

 

 

 

I don’t understand how Trump can run on “Biden ruining the economy” and then institute policies that will do this. Fascinating stuff. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

17 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

 

I don’t understand how Trump can run on “Biden ruining the economy” and then institute policies that will do this. Fascinating stuff. 

Why are we getting oil from Canada? 

[ChiGoose]

19 hours ago, K D said:

 

 

 

It's probably a good idea to be skeptical of posts about an article that don't include a link to the article, especially if the post is from a questionable source like Charlie Kirk. Here is the actual story: Migrant Caravans Not Reaching Border, Claudia Sheinbaum Says After Trump Threats

 

What Sheinbaum actually said is that Mexico was already taking the actions Trump demanded *before* he proposed these tariffs. She did not say that they would change how they approach the border in light of the tariffs but did threaten retaliatory tariffs (which is an obvious reaction the US should expect from any country upon which we place broad-based tariffs).

 

"Maybe President Trump doesn't know this, but of those arriving at the border—which is significantly fewer, 75 percent less than in December 2023—half them have a CBP One appointment. In other words, they have an appointment. So, they [the U.S.] are the ones inviting them to come to the United States," she said.

 

Sheinbaum also highlighted Mexico's proactive role in addressing migration while criticizing the U.S. for failing to tackle the root causes. "If a percentage of what the United States spends on war were dedicated to peace and development, it would address the underlying causes of migration," she said, advocating for regional investment over punitive measures."

 

Also, it's a bit strange that Trump originally proposed the tariffs as an economic measure to allow for tax cuts (it's clear that he incorrectly believes that the foreign countries pay the tariffs when the burden is actually placed on US consumers) but now he's saying it's to curb certain behaviors. However, his inconsistency has never been a problem for his supporters before...

[T master]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:38 AM, Roundybout said:

Wife and I closed on a house. Took a week to get the WiFi up. 

 

And the house you just closed on based on what they say my house is worth now compared to what it was 4 years ago is now about 4 times more than it was when Joe took office . Groceries & most all other consumables are all up some over double, plus record high inflation at one point, vehicle costs are probably half or more again higher in price than they were 4 years ago .

 

All those tariffs that were in place when Joe took office he stopped in his first week in office so prices should have been less right ? But China basically said they were going to double their prices to make up for the money they lost prior to Joe getting in office, which is another reason for more higher prices so no tariffs cost more money too !! Thanks Joe !

 

Someone with some balls needs to do something about this China thing ! For years it has been allowed for a COMMUNIST COUNTRY to produce what the American economy consumes to support communism and it seems you & no one else learned anything from the pandemic when the shortages came to be ! 

 

This is almost as foolish as it would be to allow manufacturers of guns, ammo, military equipment like tanks, RPG's, and other such things to be produced by China which makes total sense .

 

And if any of this means bringing back manufacturing or keeping it in America i'm in . You can't find many if any products that have Made in America on it any more and that's total BS !! 

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

40 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Why are we getting oil from Canada? 

Because it’s cheaper?

[JFKjr]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

I don’t understand how Trump can run on “Biden ruining the economy” and then institute policies that will do this. Fascinating stuff. 

 

The U.S. was energy independent under Trump. Not so under Biden. We don't have to worry about tariffs on oil if we're producing it ourselves.

 

Biden Admin Restricts Oil & Gas Leasing

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, JFKjr said:

 

The U.S. was energy independent under Trump. Not so under Biden. We don't have to worry about tariffs on oil if we're producing it ourselves.

 

Biden Admin Restricts Oil & Gas Leasing

 

Some fun facts about American energy independence:

 

• We import energy that better fits our needs and export what we produce here that isn't as good for our systems: "U.S. refineries are well-suited to process heavy, sour crude oils. But the oil produced from the shale oil boom is primarily lighter and sweeter. Thus, U.S. oil producers can export this oil, while refiners can import the heavy, sour crude that they prefer."
• We also import energy to process for sale: "The second reason is that we may simply import crude oil to process it and export the finished products. In that scenario, we aren’t importing oil because we need it, but rather because it is financially lucrative to do so."
• "During President Trump’s term, the U.S. imported an average of 9.3 million barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil and finished products per day."
• "But the shale boom unleashed huge amounts of domestic oil and gas, and by 2012 U.S. net imports had fallen to half the 2005 level.

  By the time President Trump took office in 2017, U.S. net energy imports had fallen 75% from the 2005 level."

• "In 2022, U.S. net energy exports grew to 5.94 quads, which is the highest number on record. Total U.S. energy production was also the highest on record. Overall, the U.S. produced 2.5% more energy in 2022 than we consumed. By comparison, in 2005 the U.S. consumed 44% more energy than we produced."

• "In conclusion, 2022 marked the highest level of US energy independence since before 1950." 

TIL: Apparently Trump was president in 2022?

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

• "In conclusion, 2022 marked the highest level of US energy independence since before 1950." 

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

22 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Because it’s cheaper?

Because of the miles of red tape required to drill for our own?

[Tommy Callahan]

The left is quoting and supporting Claudia?  The Marxist installed by cartels?   How many regional politicians (opposition party) and reporters were killed in her election?  

 

You can't make it up.  

[ChiGoose]

18 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Because of the miles of red tape required to drill for our own?

Because our refineries weren’t built to process the shale oil we get here and are better suited to crude we can import. 
 

So we make something that is more useful to others so we sell it to them and buy things that are more useful to us. Makes sense to me. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

I'm just enjoying the continued posting of excerpts from the current, state-run media conglomerate, aka Twitter/X.

 

Usually we disregard state run media as "the MSM", but since the board agrees with Musk's Ministry of Truth, well, baaaaaa go the sheep.

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

The left is quoting and supporting Claudia?  The Marxist installed by cartels?   How many regional politicians (opposition party) and reporters were killed in her election?  

 

You can't make it up.  

MAGA: Claudia said this thing and it totally supports our policy!

 

Reality: Claudia did not say that. Here’s what she actually said. 
 

MAGA: Oh, now liberals are quoting Claudia approvingly? Marxists!

 

You can’t make it up. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

MAGA: Claudia said this thing and it totally supports our policy!

 

Reality: Claudia did not say that. Here’s what she actually said. 
 

MAGA: Oh, now liberals are quoting Claudia approvingly? Marxists!

 

You can’t make it up. 

 

Listen. Smart Businessman will save America, just look at how the Wizz Kids crushed North Vietnam.

[4th&long]

1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Why are we getting oil from Canada? 

You guys have never once paid attention to oil. Look up what type of oil the US pumps and what type of oil the Us is set up to refine. Oil companies are a business, they will not drill off it is not profitable. Drill baby drill is a joke.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

9 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

You guys have never once paid attention to oil. Look up what type of oil the US pumps and what type of oil the Us is set up to refine. Oil companies are a business, they will not drill off it is not profitable. Drill baby drill is a joke.

So no government restrictions get in their way? Good talk.