Ravens vs Chargers MNF game thread (no Bills talk please)

[4BillsintheBurgh]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Wow, very poor onside watermelon ball, didn't even go 10 yards.  The puss kick rears its ugly head.

Just trying to get it to catch an edge and randomly move

[paulmm3]

I'm just not that convinced by the Chargers, on either side of the ball. They're 7-4 but watching they just don't feel like a much better than average team to me. Baltimore is good. I don't see any way we can hold them to much under 200 yards rushing. But I think we have an advantage in pass offense and pass defense vs Baltimore, and they are beatable.

[Cash]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

not meant as a diss.  Its just a statement in a conversation.  Not everything is intended as the final word or some kind of definitive statement.

 

and I just pointed out the all timers because that is who he is compared to.  In the end I think he will get into the top 10 but it will be tough to see him get into the top 7.  14k yards is a lot of damn yards.  

Cool beans. I’ve been watching football since the early 90s, and in my amateur opinion Henry is one of the best I’ve ever seen and worthy of the HOF. Not sure where I’d rank him among guys I’ve watched, but definitely not first - that’s Barry Sanders for me. Top of my head, I’d for sure put Marshall Faulk and Tomlinson over Henry as well. But if I specifically need a third or fourth and short? I think Henry becomes my #1 in that situation. 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Cash said:

Cool beans. I’ve been watching football since the early 90s, and in my amateur opinion Henry is one of the best I’ve ever seen and worthy of the HOF. Not sure where I’d rank him among guys I’ve watched, but definitely not first - that’s Barry Sanders for me. Top of my head, I’d for sure put Marshall Faulk and Tomlinson over Henry as well. But if I specifically need a third or fourth and short? I think Henry becomes my #1 in that situation. 

You just missed out on seeing maybe the nfls greatest athlete ever Bo Jackson.  Had he not been injured I can only imagine what he would have done with like a 12 year NFL career.  

 

My friends and I always used to joke about how there is an alternate universe where Bo Jackson and John Elway (both drafted By the New York Yankees) could have been a part of the mid to late 80's Yankees teams with Don Mattingly, Rickey Henderson, Dave Winfield, Willie Randolph etc.  An outfield of Henderson Winfield Jackson Elway....Elway was drafted in the 2nd round in 81 and jackson in the 2nd round in 82.

 

k I am 0ff topic.  Anyway henry is definitely going to the hall of fame and will crack the top 10 for sure.  Going to take some luck to crack the top 7 or so.  

[L Ron Burgundy]

41 minutes ago, paulmm3 said:

I'm just not that convinced by the Chargers, on either side of the ball. They're 7-4 but watching they just don't feel like a much better than average team to me. Baltimore is good. I don't see any way we can hold them to much under 200 yards rushing. But I think we have an advantage in pass offense and pass defense vs Baltimore, and they are beatable.

Chargers def has been great at different points this season.  Got beat up tonight. 

[The Frankish Reich]

It's all a game of matchups. Our speed oriented defense can get bulldozed by a power running team. Same with the Chargers.

[zow2]

7 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

I'm just not that convinced by the Chargers, on either side of the ball. They're 7-4 but watching they just don't feel like a much better than average team to me. Baltimore is good. I don't see any way we can hold them to much under 200 yards rushing. But I think we have an advantage in pass offense and pass defense vs Baltimore, and they are beatable.

 

Baltimore is beatable but we need to keep winning and get them in Buffalo.  That will make a huge difference. 

[Motorin']

8 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

well i didn't say smith out produced him I said most of those guys did, but smith was his size.

 

If you took the 1983 washington redskins and put them in todays game with the perfect playing conditions all over th eleague

and the majority of defense being light and playing a ton of nickel and dime with the rules weighted to the offense

Riggins would rush for 2500 yards.   

 

I can't even imagine what Eric Dickerson would do vs today's defenses.

 

 

 

I think you're misremembering the size of players in the 80's. The Hoggs had three starters in the 260's. 

 

The starting Center for the Raiders, who beat them in the Super Bowl, was 247lbs.

 

NT's and DT's were way smaller than today. It wasn't uncommon for a DT to be 240-250lbs. And a ton of LB's were 210-220...

 

It was really the massive 3-4 defenses of the early 2000's that made it hard to run.

 

The size of LB's today are back to what they used to be in the 80's. 

[muppy]

9 hours ago, JujuFish said:

If you're down 14 late, it makes mathematical sense. 2 pointers are successful about 47.5% of the time. 1 pointers 95%.

 

If you score a TD and go for 2:

47.5% of the time, you'll have 8 points. Now a TD+PAT (95%) will win the game.

52.5% of the time, you'll have 6 points. Now a TD+2pt (47.5%) will tie the game.

 

Calculating out:

 

Make XP on first TD:

14 points: (95*.95) 90.25%

13 points: (.95*.05) 4.75%

Miss XP and forced to go for 2 on second TD:

14 points (.05*.475) 2.375%

12 points (.05*.525) 2.625%

 

Tie game: 92.625%

Lost game: 7.275%

 

Make 2PT on first TD and therefore kick PAT for the win:

15 points: (.475*.95) 45.125%

14 points: (.475*.05) 2.375%

 

Miss 2PT and go for 2 on second TD to tie:

14 points: (.525 * .475) 24.9375%

12 points: (.525 * .525) 27.5625%

 

Won game: 45.125%

Tie game: 27.3125%

Lost game: 27.5625%

 

Going for PATs will at best tie the game for you. Going for 2 gives you a greater than 45% chance to outright win and greater than 72% chance to do no worse than kicking PATs. Is a ~45% chance to win worth risking an extra ~20% chance to lose? Yes, yes it is.

UNCLE I see your point.   Math is Not my sttrong suit but I read trending that I was wrong. That going for 2 is appropo. where did you get these numbers?

 

thanks. m

[chris heff]

Other than the opening drive the Chargers looked pretty pedestrian. Part of the reason McConkey is their leading WR is the other guys aren’t good. Don’t get me wrong I like McConkey, I wanted him on the Bills. Without Dobbins they don’t have a running game and sadly he can’t stay healthy. Chargers DBs are bad, number 7 committed like 3 pass interference penalties in a row.

 

i really don’t want the Bills to have to face the Ravens again. Henry is a Bills killer, bad matchup. Nobody in the AFC scares me as much.

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Other than the opening drive the Chargers looked pretty pedestrian. Part of the reason McConkey is their leading WR is the other guys aren’t good. Don’t get me wrong I like McConkey, I wanted him on the Bills. Without Dobbins they don’t have a running game and sadly he can’t stay healthy. Chargers DBs are bad, number 7 committed like 3 pass interference penalties in a row.

 

i really don’t want the Bills to have to face the Ravens again. Henry is a Bills killer, bad matchup. Nobody in the AFC scares me as much.

Quentin Johnston is so awful, what a waste of a pick for them