Ya Digg? Posted November 27 Posted November 27 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, and Jordan Mailata, in that order, are more valuable than Barkley in that offense. I might put Davonta Smith ahead of him too. "Valuable" isn't about how good the player is relative to his peers, it's about how much a drop off to a replacement level player would impact the team. I'm not saying Barkley hasn't been outstanding this year or that he isn't important to that offense. He just plays an inherently devalued position. Maybe the MVP voters will give it to him, it's not like there's any kind of thought put into that process, but by the pure definition of MVP no RB should come close to that conversation. I just think saying he will be OPOY but not even a top 20 MVP candidate (and also name 3 or 4 offensive players on his own team above him) is a bit disingenuous. Again I agree with most of your statements, but to me you went too far with the last part l, that’s all Quote
CaseyatBat Posted November 27 Posted November 27 You gotta give it to Barkley he’s having an insane season Quote
Chicken Boo Posted November 27 Posted November 27 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: C'mon man. The Giants are in the position they're in because they haven't got the QB right. Not because they didn't re-sign a 4.1 YPC RB. James Cook has had a higher YPC than that every year of his career and the Bills would be crazy to re-sign him at the end of his rookie deal. Barkley was a luxury piece for an offense that already had ridiculous talent in place. He is the OPOY for sure, no question. He is not in the top 20 of MVP. He isn't even the MVP of his own offense. The right thing to do for that team with that roster was to build around Saquon. They could have easily spent the Daniel Jones money on a stop gap QB like Darnold or even Jameis. They'd be battling for a playoff spot right now with Nabers and Barkley. 1 Quote
SoMAn Posted November 27 Posted November 27 I know who cares the least....me. I don't care if a Bill wins the Lady Bing Trophy. The Lombardi is the only award that I'm concerned with. 1 Quote
Nihilarian Posted November 27 Posted November 27 The only MVP vote I care about is the one for the SB. 1 1 1 Quote
JP51 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/25/2024 at 10:16 AM, US Egg said: Makes for conversation. Players like recognition. I could care less, glorified participation trophies. exactly... Glorified popularity contest participation trophies. Quote
Sweats Posted November 27 Posted November 27 11 hours ago, CaseyatBat said: You gotta give it to Barkley he’s having an insane season I watched him play at Penn state and he was electric every time he touched the ball.........he just had to get out of New York to properly showcase his talents 1 Quote
Virgil Posted November 27 Posted November 27 I get that Josh will say he doesn't care, and that everyone will say that the Lombardi is the only award that matters, but I'm calling BS. Just because the Lombardi is goal #1, doesn't mean that everything else is meaningless. With Josh's football journey, the Bills history, and just everything else going on, Josh getting MVP would be amazing for him, the team, and the fans. Josh deserves the recognition 1 2 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/25/2024 at 6:01 AM, Italian Bills said: It seems that every year the fanbase is who care the most about Josh winning it, more than Josh himself and more than the Bills organization. What you think ? I think it’s silly to pretend Josh wouldn’t be incredibly proud of himself in the accomplishment even if his public facing commentary needs to be humbled and focused on one week at a time. while I think it would be a cool thing, it would be just out of this world for Josh himself Quote
Logic Posted November 27 Posted November 27 (edited) ME. I care. Seriously, I do. I'm sick and goddamn tired of Josh Allen not getting the credit he deserves as the best (or at the very worst, second best) football player on planet earth. He is an all-time great, a future Hall of Famer, and a player the likes of which we will probably not see again in our lifetimes. Give me one Josh Allen MVP and one Lombardi and I can die a happy man. Edited November 27 by Logic 2 1 1 1 Quote
FLFan Posted November 27 Posted November 27 I would be perfectly happy if Lamar won another MVP and flamed out in the playoffs as usual, so long as the Bills do not. Quote
Sweats Posted November 27 Posted November 27 10 minutes ago, Logic said: ME. I care. Seriously, I do. I'm sick and goddamn tired of Josh Allen not getting the credit he deserves as the best (or at the very worst, second best) football player on planet earth. He is an all-time great, a future Hall of Famer, and a player the likes of which we will probably not see again in our lifetimes. Give me one Josh Allen MVP and one Lombardi and I can die a happy man. Before my old man passed away, he said that we were all witnessing something special with JA and to enjoy it cause we may never see another guy like him........he just wanted to see the Bills hoist one Lombardi before he passed on and he believed that JA was the guy to finally get them there. I would love to see JA get the recognition that he deserves by getting an MVP and a Lombardi. He certainly deserves it.......the fans deserve it. 3 Quote
US Egg Posted November 27 Posted November 27 There are fans that live vicariously through sports. That this would for some reason matter to them isn’t unusual. 1 Quote
FLFan Posted November 27 Posted November 27 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: The right thing to do for that team with that roster was to build around Saquon. They could have easily spent the Daniel Jones money on a stop gap QB like Darnold or even Jameis. They'd be battling for a playoff spot right now with Nabers and Barkley. Highly unlikely they would be battling for a playoff spot. They tried building around Saquon instead of taking a top QB prospect, and that did not work nor was it ever going to work. Simply trying a different mediocre QB on that team would have failed as well. Daquan is working on the Eagles because they have a top QB and one of the best WRs in the game. He is complementary. Building around a running back has been a failed strategy everywhere. Henry was failing in TN last year. McCaffrey could not carry a poor Carolina team, etc. Quote
GoBills808 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: The right thing to do for that team with that roster was to build around Saquon. They could have easily spent the Daniel Jones money on a stop gap QB like Darnold or even Jameis. They'd be battling for a playoff spot right now with Nabers and Barkley. I mean we've seen what offenses built on great backs look like ie the Henry-led Titans the past 5 yrs or so, they're not good Quote
ChrisWatson#21 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 If Josh doesn’t get MVP during his career with the Bills I’m convinced that Thurman Thomas will go down as the final Buffalo Bill in history to win that award. The award has become a popularity contest and too mainstream in modern media for a player in Buffalo to win unfortunately. 1 Quote
Ya Digg? Posted November 27 Posted November 27 3 hours ago, FLFan said: Highly unlikely they would be battling for a playoff spot. They tried building around Saquon instead of taking a top QB prospect, and that did not work nor was it ever going to work. Simply trying a different mediocre QB on that team would have failed as well. Daquan is working on the Eagles because they have a top QB and one of the best WRs in the game. He is complementary. Building around a running back has been a failed strategy everywhere. Henry was failing in TN last year. McCaffrey could not carry a poor Carolina team, etc. so this statement to me is where people get lost on the MVP conversation. It’s all about stats, narratives, and somehow year after year we watch some guy have “one of the greatest seasons ever” because we all love a good hyperbole. Saquon needed this better situation to put up the stats he has. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great player, but he’s not the most valuable player to his team in the entire league. This is why the award goes to quarterbacks, and it’s really difficult to make an argument that any QB is more valuable to their team’s success than Josh is for the Bills 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted November 27 Posted November 27 (edited) I would force rank, Bills 1st, Team 2nd for their brother and leader, and Josh 3rd. He’ll be a lot happier with a ring after February, amd would seal his HOF someday, hopefully a decade and a half from now seeing as you have to wait five years. Now if he wins both, and maybe a couple other Lombardies over a decade would be perfect. Josh is one of the most talented QB of all time. He just needs to keep winning. He will. By the end of it, he may even rise higher than Mahomes. That’s a stretch, but he’s capable. Edited November 27 by machine gun kelly Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 27 Posted November 27 3 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said: If Josh doesn’t get MVP during his career with the Bills I’m convinced that Thurman Thomas will go down as the final Buffalo Bill in history to win that award. The award has become a popularity contest and too mainstream in modern media for a player in Buffalo to win unfortunately. Do you really believe this? How is the city of KC any more popular than Buffalo with the media. The media cares about one thing and only one thing - winning. We were irrelevant for 17 years. The media and game day announcers love Buffalo and love Allen. They might hate their hotel or lack of any quality sex workers but they love the fans and the team! 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27 Posted November 27 7 hours ago, FLFan said: I would be perfectly happy if Lamar won another MVP and flamed out in the playoffs as usual, so long as the Bills do not. If Lamar keeps winning mvp's then immediately "craps the bed again" in the playoffs, the integrity of the mvp will start to desolve. Kinda like the pro bowl. Quote
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