These Amari Cooper quotes after the Chiefs game…it really IS special playing here…

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

At least be funny or something. 
 

Italics are no substitute for wit.

😂😂Interneting is hard I'm trying to be understanding

[Einstein's Dog]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I just don't worry about the money. If the cap goes up by the same percentage it went up last year, it will be $290M in 2025. OTC says we have $266M accounted for in 2025 so before making any moves at all we are likely to have $24M in cap space. Cutting Von Miller brings us to $32M. Rousseau will likely be extended in a way that brings his 2025 cap hit down by like $5M so that gets us to $37M. I bet we could finagle Daquan Jones into taking a pay cut and get us to $40M. Maybe we extend Josh Allen and kick some of his $43M cap number into future years. When all is said and done I would bet we have $40-45M in available cap space entering 2025. Signing Cooper even at $20M AAV would easily fit in, and it would just replace the Diggs contract that the front office had already accounted for in their long term plans.

 

I hope Beane has learned you can't cheap out on outside WRs. A constant cycle of big contracts and big draft investments is the only way you keep that position at a perennial championship caliber level. I actually like Cooper more for the fact that he isn't an alpha personality. He gives you all the positives of a #1 WR without any of the usual personality drawbacks. Perfect fit for this roster and this locker room for the next two years IMO.

 

I'm right there with you hoping the FO values top tier WRs.

 

As for A Cooper, I think his personality is fine and he looks like a fit.  Need to see more on the field.   Hope those excellent KC plays are a regular addition.  Plus a little more overall activity once fully healthy.   Alpha had mentioned A Cooper had problems with drops, so I hope that doesn't happen.

 

But cost matters.  If A Cooper is going for over $20M, the FO might be better served to look at giving a 5th and $25M/per for DK Metcalf.  Or maybe DHop for $8M.  The point is that as the cost rises there is a need to look at the alternatives.

 

I will say the future is looking bright with A Cooper and I hope they work it out.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I hope Beane has learned you can't cheap out on outside WRs. A constant cycle of big contracts and big draft investments is the only way you keep that position at a perennial championship caliber level. I actually like Cooper more for the fact that he isn't an alpha personality. He gives you all the positives of a #1 WR without any of the usual personality drawbacks. Perfect fit for this roster and this locker room for the next two years IMO.

 

I agree that an outside bona fide #1 WR is crucial.  However, we're eating 31 million in dead cap space right now for a 31 year old WR who has lost a step (not uncommon at that age).  There has to be better options out there for a #1 WR who's younger via free agency or trade.  If not I guess you have to roll the dice and pay up for Cooper.  I'd only do two years maximum though.

[BarleyNY]

I told people here that they were going to love Amari. 

[chris heff]

18 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Let's just see how the rest of this season goes with Cooper.  I'm always suspicious of top end talent that gets traded multiple times.  I'm hopeful his main motivation is money so he'll ball out the rest of the season to parlay it into a big contract next year.  

The guy was with three completely dysfunctional organizations, three meddling lunatic owners. Cut Cooper some slack.

[machine gun kelly]

22 hours ago, Allen Josh said:

I’d like to get his opinion after this brutal winter. 

You mean after the subtropical Cleveland Lake Effect weather?  It’s not exactly a paradise in that grey filled area.

[TH3]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's not a hate post at all.   A lot of players don't live to play football.  I mean we are talking about a guy who took no joy from playing on the league's most famous team and playoff teams at each stop?   Reading that as Buffalo has been a revelation to him is foolish and naive.  Like when Bills fans talked themselves into the idea that Stef Diggs tendency to irrational disenchantment wouldn't follow him to Buffalo.  I mean, Cooper didn't spend his whole career with the Jets for fuxake.  Get your head out of yourass.

 

 I said it when Cooper was put on the trade market,  he is not going to elevate your teams level of compete.   He's not a leader.   He's good with whatever so long as he's getting paid right.  But he's also not toxic in the way that alpha's like Davante Adams can be when things go wrong.   He was a perfect fit for the Bills because he is a great talent on the boundary and was dirt cheap.   He'll reach the crossroads of his career this offseason when he can no longer command a top 5 WR money as a free agent.   So elite teams can now afford him.   He has a chance to put a cap on his career playing for elite teams and change the perception that he was just a number accumulator who didn't care that much about winning.  But, it also wouldn't shock me if he just retired if he can't get upwards of $20M aav(which I doubt).

You seem to know an awful lot about him….very insightful 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree that an outside bona fide #1 WR is crucial.  However, we're eating 31 million in dead cap space right now for a 31 year old WR who has lost a step (not uncommon at that age).  There has to be better options out there for a #1 WR who's younger via free agency or trade.  If not I guess you have to roll the dice and pay up for Cooper.  I'd only do two years maximum though.

 

Beane once again is two steps ahead of just about everyone on this message board.   Many people were crying over trading Diggs and it ended up being a fantastic decision.  Beane ended up getting a valuable 2nd round pick, got to unload tons of money for 2025 and he got a #1 WR in Amari who is a better man to man beater than Diggs which is something that Diggs was not able to do when it counted most.  On the other hand, Amari came up huge in two third down plays that both ended up in scoring drives.

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

You seem to know an awful lot about him….very insightful 

It is like he can read Cooper's mind, his exact thoughts, knows what motivate$ him, knows what he feels, and so knows what Cooper's future holds as well.

 

I agree, but would say it is almost supernaturally insightful.

 

[foreboding]

On 11/22/2024 at 6:39 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

What got me was his smile as he said it. Buffalo is getting to him Ya'll

...and...Buffalo is going to get ALL of Amari Cooper, a joyful person who cares about his team will always be far, far more motivated.

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's not a hate post at all.   A lot of players don't live to play football.  I mean we are talking about a guy who took no joy from playing on the league's most famous team and playoff teams at each stop?   Reading that as Buffalo has been a revelation to him is foolish and naive.  Like when Bills fans talked themselves into the idea that Stef Diggs tendency to irrational disenchantment wouldn't follow him to Buffalo.  I mean, Cooper didn't spend his whole career with the Jets for fuxake.  Get your head out of yourass.

 

 I said it when Cooper was put on the trade market,  he is not going to elevate your teams level of compete.   He's not a leader.   He's good with whatever so long as he's getting paid right.  But he's also not toxic in the way that alpha's like Davante Adams can be when things go wrong.   He was a perfect fit for the Bills because he is a great talent on the boundary and was dirt cheap.   He'll reach the crossroads of his career this offseason when he can no longer command a top 5 WR money as a free agent.   So elite teams can now afford him.   He has a chance to put a cap on his career playing for elite teams and change the perception that he was just a number accumulator who didn't care that much about winning.  But, it also wouldn't shock me if he just retired if he can't get upwards of $20M aav(which I doubt).

Dallas and Cleveland and he balled both places. Let's give him a chance before we assume so much. He might happily sign with us for 10m a year!!

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Beane once again is two steps ahead of just about everyone on this message board.   Many people were crying over trading Diggs and it ended up being a fantastic decision.  Beane ended up getting a valuable 2nd round pick, got to unload tons of money for 2025 and he got a #1 WR in Amari who is a better man to man beater than Diggs which is something that Diggs was not able to do when it counted most.  On the other hand, Amari came up huge in two third down plays that both ended up in scoring drives.

If Beane was way ahead of everybody he would've never extended Diggs and had to eat $31m this year against the cap.  Lol.  I'm glad he realized Diggs was on the decline and fleeced the Texans for a 2nd round pick.

 

My criticism wasn't trading Diggs.  It was not finding an outside #1WR to replace him this off-season.  When Beane realized this he got lucky that Cooper was available for his low salary hit.  I give him credit for making the move as early as he did.  

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Beane once again is two steps ahead of just about everyone on this message board.   Many people were crying over trading Diggs and it ended up being a fantastic decision.  Beane ended up getting a valuable 2nd round pick, got to unload tons of money for 2025 and he got a #1 WR in Amari who is a better man to man beater than Diggs which is something that Diggs was not able to do when it counted most.  On the other hand, Amari came up huge in two third down plays that both ended up in scoring drives.

He signed Diggs to a contract that he never played a snap under while a Bill. What is this spin?

 

The Chiefs offer a second for Cooper and Beane's "two steps ahead" are a pipe dream.

Edited November 24 by FireChans

[Figster]

6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Beane once again is two steps ahead of just about everyone on this message board.   Many people were crying over trading Diggs and it ended up being a fantastic decision.  Beane ended up getting a valuable 2nd round pick, got to unload tons of money for 2025 and he got a #1 WR in Amari who is a better man to man beater than Diggs which is something that Diggs was not able to do when it counted most.  On the other hand, Amari came up huge in two third down plays that both ended up in scoring drives.

 Joe Brady must be so happy with how well Amari Cooper played vs the Chiefs. Here I was wishing we had somehow landed D Hop. Not anymore. Love Cooper's work ethic, his intelligence, most of all how quickly Amari developed good chemistry on the long ball from Josh Allen. Coleman is only going to get better, Kincaid is borderline elite. Same can probably be said about Cook. Shakir has shown elite play all season. Josh is about as elite as it gets at the QB position.

 

Hard to not start thinking Superbowl peeps... 

 

 

[Simon]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

My criticism wasn't trading Diggs.  It was not finding an outside #1WR to replace him this off-season.  When Beane realized this he got lucky that Cooper was available for his low salary hit.  I give him credit for making the move as early as he did.  

 

Have you considered the possibility that he was very well aware that quality veteran outside WRs on bad teams were going to be available before the trade deadline this year and made a conscientious decision that adding one of them was smarter than spending limited FA money on a lesser talent in the offseason?

I think that he's a good enough GM that he has his finger on the pulse of the league and the efficient manner in which they've successfully dealt with the WR issue this year is evidence of that.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Have you considered the possibility that he was very well aware that quality veteran outside WRs on bad teams were going to be available before the trade deadline this year and made a conscientious decision that adding one of them was smarter than spending limited FA money on a lesser talent in the offseason?

I think that he's a good enough GM that he has his finger on the pulse of the league and the efficient manner in which they've successfully dealt with the WR issue this year is evidence of that.

This.  People act as like the WR room was set in stone by once the season started.  Trading for a WR was always waiting in the wings.  
 

People also act like there were available WR1’s growing on trees, each with low salary expectations.

 

Judge Beane on the current roster and our current record.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Trading for a WR was always waiting in the wings.  

 

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

People also act like there were available WR1’s growing on trees, each with low salary expectations

So which is it?

 

If WR1’s with low salaries, like Cooper, are rarer than hen’s teeth, how could the master plan have always been trading for a guy like Cooper? 

Seems counterintuitive imo. “These guys are super rare, we are gonna bank the whole year on one of them available for trade and us being the top bidders.” What if Cleveland was 4-2? 

[Don Otreply]

22 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

This is the kind of post and poster I was referencing in my previous post in this thread. One of the all time dumbest hate posts ever, and that is saying a lot.

 

That first paragraph is nonsense, a crazy opinion with nothing to back it up it at all.  And so he is just bashing Cooper  because of irrational hate for all things Bills/Beane/McDermott. Clear proof of that when one just looks at the facts. Thank goodness the vast majority of Bills' fans do that instead...

 

He says  In Cleveland Cooper was a "loser's loser"--a comically stupid statement, and not backed up, of course, because there s nothing to back it up.

Instead of being a "loser's loser,  Cooper was quite the winner, by anyone's standard who has a spec of objectivity, sense, or logic.

 

In 2022:  78 receptions   1160 yards   14.9 yards per catch   9 TDs   61 first downs, with 78% of his catches first downs,  18 catches for 20+ yards, and 4 for 40+

 

And then in 2023, Cooper was even more of a loser than in 2022, somehow a bigger loser than he was in 2022, if that is possible:

 

2023:   72 receptions   1250 yards   17.4 yards per catch  5 TDs, 50 of his catches for first downs, 69%, 21 catches of 20+ yards, and 8 of 40+ yards. A Pro Bowl year, of course.

 

By the poster's unique standards, I will pray every night that next year, his first full year with the Bills, Cooper is an even bigger loser in 2025 than he was in 2023. I am urging all posters on this board to do this as well: "Please make Amari Cooper an even bigger loser next year in Buffalo than he was in Cleveland."

 

If this is how a loser is defined, and according to the poster, the ultimate loser, a "loser's loser", than I want me some more of this kind of loser--and at every single position on this team, every one. It makes one wonder, how the heck would the poster define a winner??

 

I am assuming what happened was Cooper's words after the game, some presented here nicely by the OP, just sent this guy over the edge: how dare he say those things? How can I even think of bashing him now?  Oh, I'll do this....

 

 

 

 

Bado being Bado, I think he can’t help himself anymore, seems to dislike pretty much every aspect of this team from what his posts say, oh well, could you just imagine what he would post if he was a jets fan…, 🤣

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 11/22/2024 at 6:44 PM, Allen Josh said:

I’d like to get his opinion after this brutal winter. 

Yes, my November golf rounds were brutal 😂

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

 

So which is it?

 

If WR1’s with low salaries, like Cooper, are rarer than hen’s teeth, how could the master plan have always been trading for a guy like Cooper? 

Seems counterintuitive imo. “These guys are super rare, we are gonna bank the whole year on one of them available for trade and us being the top bidders.” What if Cleveland was 4-2? 

I didn’t say the master plan was to trade for a guy like cooper…… but put words into my mouth and pretend that I said that, per usual.  I said trading for a WR was always waiting in the wings.  I never said trading for a WR1 was always the plan either.  I said trading for “a WR”.  While I didn’t say it, I meant a boundary WR that can make plays outside.  I didn’t insinuate in any manner that Beane had planned on trading for a WR1.  

 

Cooper was the cheapest- we got him.  There were other options- Hopkins, Slayton (I had my eye on him since the day we traded Diggs).   
 

end results- beane landed a WR1.  One with little cap hit.  One that every other team in the league could’ve traded for…. But didn’t because Beane got him.  But cry about the offseason.  The offseason in which he built a roster that is currently 9-2 and beat the chiefs again. 

 

which WR1 did you want him to sign post Diggs trade?  

[PoundingDog]

Most likely scenario is bills were willing to take a step back this year, and took reloading pain. Philosophically, a subtle culture change in leadership, ie Allen to have bigger role there because it’s going to be necessary when his cap takes bigger percentage down the line. The bills can’t operate in the model of taking advantage of rookie qb contract phase to chase Super Bowl anymore. 
 

But it became obvious after first few games that a lot went right with Allen taking a step himself and many young guys showing they were ready to take prime roles. So Beane acted. Not a really complicated case for a competent GM (not some fortune telling genius GM either).