Giants are releasing QB Daniel Jones (future backup to Josh Allen)

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

I think Daniel Jones gets a look as a possible starter from somewhere like Tennessee or Vegas. He's not great but I think he'd be an upgrade at starting QB for Vegas, Tennessee, Carolina, New England, Chicago (not gonna happen), and the Jets. He never got much of a shot behind an OL that wasn't bottom of the league at pass protection.

 

And yeah wtf is with the Giants putting him at practice team safety, that's embarrassing for the Giants

 

I'd take Drake Maye over him already and no way I'm benching Caleb to play Daniel Jones despite some of Caleb's struggles. 

 

In Vegas, Tennessee or Carolina sure I'd start him.

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

Sam Bradford. That dude was a highway robber in the NFL. He fleeced the NFL for $129 million. Jones is only at about $72 million in career earnings, according to over the cap.

This is the right answer. Watson had sucked but he fooled one team. Bradford was the last qb to get that unadjusted #1 overall $$$.... held out as a rookie.

 

Then convinced like 7 more teams lol it was insane. And my dumb*** was so qb thirsty I woulda gave my left nut to rent him for a year 🤣🤣

 

My golly please never let us back there. blue grapefruit engorged testicled man, at the fat bar. It's closing time, and Bradford looks like wife material....QB. Thirsty. It's amazing to no longer be in that bar 🤣🤣🤣

[djp14150]

6 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

I think Daniel Jones gets a look as a possible starter from somewhere like Tennessee or Vegas. He's not great but I think he'd be an upgrade at starting QB for Vegas, Tennessee, Carolina, New England, Chicago (not gonna happen), and the Jets. He never got much of a shot behind an OL that wasn't bottom of the league at pass protection.

 

And yeah wtf is with the Giants putting him at practice team safety, that's embarrassing for the Giants

 

my thoughts on QB jobs…..

 

besides  him you have Darnold who could be looking for starting jobs. Thrn you have Cleveland with Watson/ Winston being a free agent 

 

teams needing QB…..

 

jets— assuming the cut rodgers *

Browns— I think thry will keep Winston *

Titans— ???

Raiders — open job

 

Giants

Vikings- looking for a backup and go with the IRed rookie  QB

Panthers— look for a vet to come in

Rams— I think they want a vet to back up Stafford if he doesn’t retire

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think Russ Wilson in Denver should get honorable mention, at least, or maybe runner-up

And how about Aaron Rodgers in NY?

 

Neither of them molested dozens of massage therapists, as least AFAIK....

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Wow. I guess he has spat his dummy in some way, or else why do this now rather than after the season?

 

Binky. Got it now. 

 

13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He’s sucks, was completely over drafted, is the number reason to point to QBs getting way too much after getting paid what he did after his breakout season of 15 td passes!!!!, and seems to have the personality of an ironing board. 
 

but I’d take him in a second as a back up haha. 

 

"personality of an ironing board" OOO-EEY that's spicy

 

**pantomimes burning finger tip on invisible surface (probably an ironing board)

[Billy Claude]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think Russ Wilson in Denver should get honorable mention, at least, or maybe runner-up

And how about Aaron Rodgers in NY?

 

I think original question was which QB had accomplished the least BEFORE a big second contract.  Obviously Rodgers and Wilson had won Super Bowls before.  Even Watson had accomplished more over a longer period of time before his second contract with Houston or his contract with the Browns.

 

I think there is a pretty good case for Jones being the least accomplished before signing. Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler who were mentioned already are also good candidates though both were not with their second contracts were not with their original teams.  One who hasn't been mentioned is Carson Wentz who was only really good for two thirds of a season before his 2nd contract.

Edited November 23 by Billy Claude

[Scott7975]

15 hours ago, eball said:

 

Bad take.

 

 

Especially coming from a guy thats always scolding people for saying anything bad about players. I guess thats only certain players.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Even if you are right, someone will correct you. 

With extreme prejudice.  Lists are consulted.  Perceived scores need to be settled. 🤔

[WotAGuy]

49 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

With extreme prejudice.  Lists are consulted.  Perceived scores need to be settled. 🤔

Link??

[CSBill]

19 hours ago, Steptide said:

Heard on the radio this morning that he's gaurenteed 23 mil if he's injured before the end of the season. If I'm him, I'm breaking a leg in practice. Probably why they let him go 

 

 

He sounds like a process guy. He would probably be a better option than Mitch; he is more athletic and has a stronger arm. But we may be locked in with M.T.?

[UKBillFan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd take Drake Maye over him already and no way I'm benching Caleb to play Daniel Jones despite some of Caleb's struggles. 

 

In Vegas, Tennessee or Carolina sure I'd start him.

 

I'd start Levis over Jones at this stage. Younger and more room to develop. At least allow him to see out the season as most of his errors are the boneheaded kind which, with the right coaching, could be ironed out.

[FireChans]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The wording of that statement - Jones went straight to the owner - gives credence to the story that he was the owner's boy IMO.

He was. 
 

The story coming out of NY when they were searching for HC’s was that Mara felt the Giants had failed DJ and his development and they were not prepared to move on from him. 

The big push for Daboll was his history with developing Josh Allen. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Link??

I wasn't referring to the NFL.

I was referring to TBD-TSW.

😁

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The big push for Daboll was his history with developing Josh Allen. 

Mara must have missed the TSW campaign to put Daboll in the booth, when he was OC in Buffalo. 😁

[4merper4mer]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd take Drake Maye over him already and no way I'm benching Caleb to play Daniel Jones despite some of Caleb's struggles. 

 

In Vegas, Tennessee or Carolina sure I'd start him.

I don’t think it’s about starting this year for either Jones or the acquiring team.  I think it’s about at least the possibility of starting in the relatively near term future.  Rams is my best guess.  Stafford is old.  Jimmy G and Stetson aren’t roadblocks.

Edited November 23 by 4merper4mer

[WotAGuy]

23 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I wasn't referring to the NFL.

I was referring to TBD-TSW.

😁

 

 

I was just continuing the joke!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Looks like daboll and schoen weren't it

 

 

[Livinginthepast]

I can never understand why in the NFL these middling or unproven talents get offered such huge extensions and in most cases seem to immediately suck. Like dangling a carrot in front of a horse for a while and then giving him a whole bag of carrots with nothing achieved. These GMs seem to learn nothing.

[PauleeeWalnuts]

He will start somewhere next season, I doubt he’ll be a backup for anyone. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

45 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

 

I was just continuing the joke!

And I was just planting the seeds of discord and suspicion. 😁

[Beck Water]

10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

This is the right answer. Watson had sucked but he fooled one team. Bradford was the last qb to get that unadjusted #1 overall $$$.... held out as a rookie.

 

Then convinced like 7 more teams lol it was insane. And my dumb*** was so qb thirsty I woulda gave my left nut to rent him for a year 🤣🤣

 

My golly please never let us back there. blue grapefruit engorged testicled man, at the fat bar. It's closing time, and Bradford looks like wife material....QB. Thirsty. It's amazing to no longer be in that bar 🤣🤣🤣

 

Living in St Louis, I got the inside scoop on the Bradford story.  And Bradford kind of gets a bad rap.  TL;DR inept coaching and untimely injuries derailed him.

 

Yeah, he was the last Super-highly paid rookie who hadn't proven his NFL worth.  But you can't blame him for that, it was the system at the time, and I truly believe Bradford was one reason teams pressed for that change.

 

OK, Bradford year 1.  Looked pretty decent under Steve Spagnuolo with Pat Shurmur as his OC.  Keep in mind as HC, Shurmur also made Daniel Jones look pretty decent his rookie year.  Too many INTs, but that's not uncommon for a rookie QB.  Keep in mind the Rams were a terrible, no good, very bad team in 2009 (1-15) and with Bradford, they were actually a final game loss away from the playoffs!

 

Bradford year 2.  Spagnuolo loses Pat Shurmur to be HC of the Cleveland Browns and hires.......Josh McDaniel, who was just booted out as HC of Denver.  It was horrible.  McDaniel of course installed his super-complex and totally different terminology E-P offense.  Now I grant that the Rams were still fundamentally a bad team who over-performed the previous season, but Bradford looked inept, totally inept.  But he looked promising his rookie season!  Was it Bradford, or was it McDaniel?  Bradford also missed 6 games with injuries and ended on IR.

 

Bradford year 3.  Jeff Fisher takes over as HC, and hires Brian Schottenheimer as OC.  Keep in mind that Schottenheimer was a guy who made Sanchez look OK.  So once again, Bradford looks promising.  He looks like he can play in the NFL.  He delivers enough QB performance that a team could win with him.  But at this point, the guy has had 3 different offensive systems and 3 different OCs in 3 years.

Bradford year 4. 2nd year with Schottenheimer.  Bradford finally looks like he might live up to his billing and be what the Rams hoped.  First 7 games, he's hitting 70% completion at times, he's thrown 14 TD to 3 INTs - really looks good.  Then, he tears his ACL and goes on IR.

 

Bradford year 5.  Lost season.  Bradford re-tears same ACL in preseason game, and he's Done with the Rams.

 

So yeah, the Rams didn't get their money's worth out of Bradford, but IMO it was largely a self-inflicted wound combined with some bad injury luck.

 

With the Eagles, they re-united Bradford with Pat Shurmur and he played pretty well once he flaked the rust off.  But, they fell in love with Carson Wentz and kicked Bradford to the curb, so he asked to be traded.

 

With the Vikes, again with Shurmur, Bradford played well until his knee gave out on him and Keenum took over.

 

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I wasn't referring to the NFL.

I was referring to TBD-TSW.

😁

Mara must have missed the TSW campaign to put Daboll in the booth, when he was OC in Buffalo. 😁

 

I don't remember a TSW campaign?  But I do remember a game where Daboll was seen SCREAMING at Josh on the sideline after an interception

Reportedly Allen had a deep conversation with Beane and McDermott after that game, where he made promises to them to change his ways (this is by Allen's account).  But the very next week, Daboll moved to the booth and never moved down, so there may have been some "what can we do to support you better?" discussion on their side as well.

With Dorsey, the players had a campaign to put him in the booth, and after the Miami loss we saw why.

Edited November 23 by Beck Water