Ray Davis' Blocking

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Chugga said:

I thought this post was going to be about the Curtis Samuel TD.  Davis completely walls off his guy and drives him out of bounds to make that TD work.  I really like the kid and love his running style.  Would like to see more of him but Cook has been electric this year too.

Solid Combo for sure would love to see Cook break one in route

[Simon]

He busted somebody so hard a couple weeks ago that I was actually surprised the guy got up.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

That was a decent enough blitz pickup but Davis hasn't done a good job pass blocking as a whole this year - though they don't ask him to do it much. Cook has done it better, but the guy the ask to pass block most often is Ty Johnson. He is their trusted go to 3rd down back because he can stay in and protect or he can get out and catch a pass. It is why for the first time almost ever under this regime they are dressing three running backs without any of them being stud special teamers. Because they believe Johnson has so much combined value on 3rd down that he is worth a jersey. 

Josh recently said Ty Johnson was one of the best 3rd down backs in the NFL, really didnt understand the concept but after reading your comments makes sense.

[HappyDays]

Has anyone else noticed that Allen's deep ball miraculously looks better when Amari Cooper is the target? Must be a coincidence.

[folz]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Holy crap, I hadn't seen this angle/replay and hadn't realized the Chiefs rushed 7.   

 

Yeah, I haven't rewatched the whole game, but have seen the highlights a bunch. Spags was bringing pressure all day. It was pretty much rushing 5 on second and longs and then rushing 6 or 7 on third and longs. Pretty consistently all day.

 

A few other plays where there was an all out blitz:

 

3rd and 8 in the first quarter, the first down pass to Samuel to the 3 yard line, the Chiefs rushed 6.

 

On Samuel's TD in the 4th quarter, the Chiefs rushed 7---with one peeling off with the RB as he swung out.

 

3rd and 9 on the last drive (the first down to Shakir, where he got hit in the back), the Chiefs brought 7.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, JP51 said:

He definately seems willing to engage and that is a really good thing... 

 

When we drafted him I went for his highlight reel. The running was obviously impressive (it IS highlights), but what stood out to me most was there was an entire section of him in pass protection. He was VERY willing and effective, and it wasn’t just a few plays. 

[Kwai San]

6 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Joe Marino had a discussion about this on yesterday's podcast with his guest. It's theoretically possible to resign all 5 of Groot, Bernard, Benford, Shakir, and Cook, but not very likely. Best case scenario is probably 4 of the 5, and Cook would be at the bottom of that list, despite how effective he has been this year.

 

I have a buddy who bets a lot on games, and he bet on Cook to achieve some individual stats last game. He was bitching about Cook not being in the game that much against the Chiefs, and I tried to explain it's because the running lanes are clogged, the Chiefs are blitzing a lot, Cook has had some dropsies, and Ty Johnson (and even Ray Davis) is a much better blocker. He couldn't believe the Bills were keeping "their best player" off the field, thought the Bills deserved to lose, and the Bills coaches were terrible.

 

Oh well.

 

Some buddy you got there......

[eball]

6 hours ago, Rubes said:

I have a buddy who bets a lot on games, and he bet on Cook to achieve some individual stats last game. He was bitching about Cook not being in the game that much against the Chiefs, and I tried to explain it's because the running lanes are clogged, the Chiefs are blitzing a lot, Cook has had some dropsies, and Ty Johnson (and even Ray Davis) is a much better blocker. He couldn't believe the Bills were keeping "their best player" off the field, thought the Bills deserved to lose, and the Bills coaches were terrible.

 

Sounds like some guys who post here.

 

[3rdand12]

11 hours ago, Logic said:

The combination of:

- How effective Ray Davis has looked in limited work

- The amount of contract extensions for key players coming up (Groot, Bernard, Benford, Shakir)
- The replaceability of running backs in general

 

It is my belief that James Cook should not be given a contract extension. I almost never believe in giving a running back a second contract, unless he's a truly elite player who contributes to the passing game in a big way. If the Bills were flush with money and didn't have so many other key extensions coming up, I might feel differently. As it stands -- with other more pressing extensions on the horizon, with Ray Davis in-house and looking good, with the Bills front office showing over the years that it's not afraid to spend day two picks on running backs -- I think they should let Cook walk.

I'm sure that opinion will go over like a lead balloon, but I'm sticking to it. Give me the Edge rusher, the defensive captain, the elite corner, and the elite YAC receiver over the running back, please and thank you.

My usual gripe here about the Not extending , regardless of player , is short sighted a tad ? 

How about "reasonable extension "

 Would love to keep all 3 rbs for another season at this rate of performance. Within reason

 Now then Gilliam ? About time to find his "next"

luv ya Reggie

[Governor]

I want them to pay Cook. He has unique size, speed,  and skillset, isn’t made of glass, and rarely fumbles.

[Einstein's Dog]

On 11/22/2024 at 12:03 PM, Rubes said:

 

Joe Marino had a discussion about this on yesterday's podcast with his guest. It's theoretically possible to resign all 5 of Groot, Bernard, Benford, Shakir, and Cook, but not very likely. Best case scenario is probably 4 of the 5, and Cook would be at the bottom of that list, despite how effective he has been this year.

 

I have a buddy who bets a lot on games, and he bet on Cook to achieve some individual stats last game. He was bitching about Cook not being in the game that much against the Chiefs, and I tried to explain it's because the running lanes are clogged, the Chiefs are blitzing a lot, Cook has had some dropsies, and Ty Johnson (and even Ray Davis) is a much better blocker. He couldn't believe the Bills were keeping "their best player" off the field, thought the Bills deserved to lose, and the Bills coaches were terrible.

 

I would prefer Groot, Bernard, Benford, Shakir and Cooper.

 

Also, I think for Cook, early in the game he would catch the screen and take a stutter step to gather himself and look up field before going.  This slight delay allowed the defender to get to him and there were several no gains because of it.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

When you all have time, look at the PFF grades of our starting offensive linemen... Torrence actually has the lowest grade by far of any of them, which is baffling to me considering how great our line has looked this season. What I see on Sundays must be totally different than what the PFF people see.

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills/4/roster#

Edited November 25 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Big Turk]

On 11/22/2024 at 10:43 AM, PoundingDog said:

I know Torrence blocking two guys on the 2nd Cooper reception play was talked about a lot by many. I sometimes look other guys in those plays to see what they were doing. In this case, I notice the Ray Davis blocking on that play (blitz pickup) is pretty impressive. This is also why Cook is not on 3rd down very much because I have not seen him capable of doing that even 3 year into his career. There is talk about extension of Cook beyond his rookie contract. But seeing this kind of play makes you wonder though.

 

 

 

 

Cook usually "Ole's" on his blocks and the guy runs right around him more often than not.  Every once in a while he has a solid one but not too often.

 

Best blocking back they had with Allen was Zack Moss as a rookie...he was like Stonewall Jackson back there and just would be annihilating blitzers and standing them straight up.

Edited November 25 by Big Turk

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When you all have time, look at the PFF grades of our starting offensive linemen... Torrence actually has the lowest grade by far of any of them, which is baffling to me considering how great our line has looked this season. What I see on Sundays must be totally different than what the PFF people see.

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills/4/roster#

Torrence on the whole year has easily been our worst starting OL. He was downright terrible at some points early in the season.

[falgobofu]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When you all have time, look at the PFF grades of our starting offensive linemen... Torrence actually has the lowest grade by far of any of them, which is baffling to me considering how great our line has looked this season. What I see on Sundays must be totally different than what the PFF people see.

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills/4/roster#

Pff doesn't grade zone blocking schemes well for offensive lines, they dont recognize zone as much in the secondary as well. Very odd considering we use a combo of power blocking with zone rushing concepts on the line. 

[Matt_In_NH]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:25 PM, HappyDays said:

Has anyone else noticed that Allen's deep ball miraculously looks better when Amari Cooper is the target? Must be a coincidence.

I think this is more Josh....When watching on TV, if he kind of floats it up a little it has a better chance. Often he throws a lower trajectory fastball that is much harder to complete.  This play was just awesome, he knew he had to get ride of it, they brought 6, he used all the time he could and put a ball only where his guy could get it.  

[PoundingDog]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Cook usually "Ole's" on his blocks and the guy runs right around him more often than not.  Every once in a while he has a solid one but not too often.

 

Best blocking back they had with Allen was Zack Moss as a rookie...he was like Stonewall Jackson back there and just would be annihilating blitzers and standing them straight up.

I was impressed because you know who Davis absolutely destroyed on that play: chiefs #22.

[Buffalo716]

On 11/22/2024 at 1:45 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

Josh recently said Ty Johnson was one of the best 3rd down backs in the NFL, really didnt understand the concept but after reading your comments makes sense.

Most people think of a pass catcher as a third down back but that is just the tiniest part of their role 

 

A true third down back is like Kevin Faulk who won multiple super bowls with the Patriots

 

A super steady blocker, who is able to get out of the backfield and then become a reliable Target 

 

And then offer some running ability 

 

A passcatcher out of the backfield who can't block consistently is not an ideal 3rd down back

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, falgobofu said:

Pff doesn't grade zone blocking schemes well for offensive lines, they dont recognize zone as much in the secondary as well. Very odd considering we use a combo of power blocking with zone rushing concepts on the line. 

It’s pff, they have an abundance of make believe factors that they include in their rankings, you know, “could have been intercepted, but wasn’t “ they ding QBs and other players with these sorts of silliness with regularity, 

[3rdand12]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:25 PM, HappyDays said:

Has anyone else noticed that Allen's deep ball miraculously looks better when Amari Cooper is the target? Must be a coincidence.

Perhaps he trusts how his O line PP breaks down under the rush ?

He is a different man out there this year altogether 😉

5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When you all have time, look at the PFF grades of our starting offensive linemen... Torrence actually has the lowest grade by far of any of them, which is baffling to me considering how great our line has looked this season. What I see on Sundays must be totally different than what the PFF people see.

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills/4/roster#

It is

 They "PFF " can be as obtuse as imaginable some games etc etc