Brock Purdy- Shoulder Injury

[cgang]

I’m too jaded to think this is the year.  But I’m having a great time seeing these guys ball out.  I’m just along for the ride and f-it where this is headed.  I’m one with the universe and letting each game just come to me.  I’ll be at the 49ers game this Sunday (traveling from Virginia and hoping I don’t get stuck in a snow drift).   Looking forward to a great game and and time with my fellow bills fans and family! 

[Orlando Buffalo]

48 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

We have one quality win that occurred on a 4th down play. I'm hopeful about our trajectory, but all the advanced stats don't align with your perspective. Nor does the eye test in my opinion. The trajectory is up, sure, but to think we are poised for more than previous years based on performance isn't accurate IMO.   

Which advanced stats do you mean? In the past 5 games what more would you expect to "pass the eye test"? We have put up 30 each week including last week without Coleman and Kincaid. 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Orlando Buffalo said:

Which advanced stats do you mean? In the past 5 games what more would you expect to "pass the eye test"? We have put up 30 each week including last week without Coleman and Kincaid. 

I put up a post on it, lets get the thread back on subject. It's off the rails. Purdy practiced today. He did multiple times last week as well. It doesn't mean he will play. His imaging tests are negative and they were last week and he still didn't play. They really don't know what the issue is. 

[The Wiz]

14 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Are we the only team that gets injured? Do you expect us to be at literal 100% health after 17 weeks? I don't know what stats show we exceeded expectations. We had a better EPA from 2020 to 2022 than we do this year in a singular season. From an EPA standpoint we ranked 3rd vs 2nd in that stretch and 5th vs 10th. We have historically underachieved against our EPA and we are ranked worse than we have been historically. Maybe the whole league has got worse.  

I responded to an off topic take and defended my position since. 

Where are you getting your stats from?

 

Yes I realize it is 2nd half stats. but come on.  You really think they are worst than 2020-2022?

 

 

Edited November 26 by The Wiz

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Where are you getting your stats from?

 

Yes I realize it is 2nd half stats. but come on.  You really think they are worst than 2020-2022?

 

 

https://rbsdm.com/stats/stats/

[The Wiz]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

https://rbsdm.com/stats/stats/

I tried offense/defense/total team and QB and the only thing I got was we are doing better from 2022-2024 than we were from 2020-2022 like you said.

 

How granular you getting with this?

Edited November 26 by The Wiz

[gonzo1105]

Arguing about all of this is nonsense imo. The Bills have to go out and prove it when it counts despite all the stats being thrown around. Every year I hear about point differential and look how great the Bills are only to watch them get ousted in the divisional round. Does that mean it will happen this year No. 

 

There are also a lot of really good teams that should win a title and don’t then watch an inferior team per say win it all 

24 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I put up a post on it, lets get the thread back on subject. It's off the rails. Purdy practiced today. He did multiple times last week as well. It doesn't mean he will play. His imaging tests are negative and they were last week and he still didn't play. They really don't know what the issue is. 

Today is Monday, the 49ers like most teams will not go on the practice field for game week until Wednesday. That’s the day we’ll get any indication on Purdys status 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We have one quality win that occurred on a 4th down play. I'm hopeful about our trajectory, but all the advanced stats don't align with your perspective. Nor does the eye test in my opinion. The trajectory is up, sure, but to think we are poised for more than previous years based on performance isn't accurate IMO.   

What advanced stats? Net points were first in the AFC, DVOA were third in the league and so on without even having healthy Amari cooper for much of the year and Milano returning soon. I think we’re being overly critical of that ravens game when the defense was completely ravaged and no Shakir 

 

if our defensive lineup ever gets that shorthanded down the stretch I think a lot of us won’t feel as optimistic but with Milano returning and cooper healthy again this team is pretty stacked 

[BigDingus]

4 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Which advanced stats do you mean? In the past 5 games what more would you expect to "pass the eye test"? We have put up 30 each week including last week without Coleman and Kincaid. 

 

For me, I'm reminded of 2022.

 

I'm not saying things will turn out that way, but you don't have to look that far back to see when people were saying things like "you are what your record says you are" and hand-waving away the obvious issues. We controlled the 1 seed the 2nd half of the season until the Bengals game was cancelled, and people thought it was definitely our year.

 

I've seen a lot of revisionist conversations around that year, with a lot of people acting like "well of course we were going to lose in the playoffs... everyone saw that coming!" but in reality, most people didn't want to hear that at the time.

 

Again, I'm not saying "this is 2022 all over again!" I'm simply pointing out that it could still go either way.

 

Things that would help convince me this team is different & to REALLY buy in:

 

1. Allen playing more efficient like at the beginning of the year. He's thrown 5 INTs in the last 4 games vs 0 INTs in the first 7.

2. Defense being able to stop / better manage good RBs

3. Defense continuing to get pressure on QBs

4. Being able to establish the run against good defenses & Cook being more productive overall

5. WRs & TEs making plays down field. We've been effective getting WR screens & short outlet passes going, but it'd be nice to see more plays further down the field open up. The better defenses in the playoffs will look to stop the short game, and we haven't shown that we can punish them over the top.

 

Not all of these things need to happen, but I'd like to see any of them happen when the opportunity presents itself. Like they have a chance to prove #2 against the 49ers & especially the Lions. #1  & #5 would be a good time vs the Rams, Lions & Patriots, as they're in the bottom half of the league in pass defense.

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What advanced stats? Net points were first in the AFC, DVOA were third in the league and so on without even having healthy Amari cooper for much of the year and Milano returning soon. I think we’re being overly critical of that ravens game when the defense was completely ravaged and no Shakir 

 

if our defensive lineup ever gets that shorthanded down the stretch I think a lot of us won’t feel as optimistic but with Milano returning and cooper healthy again this team is pretty stacked 

We have the same DVOA as last year, which was the lowest DVOA we have had in the 2020’s. In 2022 in was 38.9 which was the best in football. EPA aligns with this as well. 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

For me, I'm reminded of 2022.

 

I'm not saying things will turn out that way, but you don't have to look that far back to see when people were saying things like "you are what your record says you are" and hand-waving away the obvious issues. We controlled the 1 seed the 2nd half of the season until the Bengals game was cancelled, and people thought it was definitely our year.

 

I've seen a lot of revisionist conversations around that year, with a lot of people acting like "well of course we were going to lose in the playoffs... everyone saw that coming!" but in reality, most people didn't want to hear that at the time.

 

Again, I'm not saying "this is 2022 all over again!" I'm simply pointing out that it could still go either way.

 

Things that would help convince me this team is different & to REALLY buy in:

 

1. Allen playing more efficient like at the beginning of the year. He's thrown 5 INTs in the last 4 games vs 0 INTs in the first 7.

2. Defense being able to stop / better manage good RBs

3. Defense continuing to get pressure on QBs

4. Being able to establish the run against good defenses & Cook being more productive overall

5. WRs & TEs making plays down field. We've been effective getting WR screens & short outlet passes going, but it'd be nice to see more plays further down the field open up. The better defenses in the playoffs will look to stop the short game, and we haven't shown that we can punish them over the top.

 

Not all of these things need to happen, but I'd like to see any of them happen when the opportunity presents itself. Like they have a chance to prove #2 against the 49ers & especially the Lions. #1  & #5 would be a good time vs the Rams, Lions & Patriots, as they're in the bottom half of the league in pass defense.

Nearly every team in the AFC playoffs is going to try and pound us and they’re very physical teams. They either can run or play defense in a way that can really steal your will to win. Teams like the Titans in the past and the Colts or the Bengals really got us off our game by just controlling the ball. We probably match up with KC better than most the others. I’m optimistic with how much our talent can gel and if we stay healthy because we really don’t know what that looks like. But to me this isn’t the year to be a pursuit defense in the AFC. I see no easy outs in any of the games. 

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He practiced today but who knows 

On the radio broadcast of yesterday’s Niners game, analyst Tim Ryan said he was at that practice last Thursday and he doesn’t think Purdy would be playing against the Bills.  We shall see.  

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Billl said:

So where would you rank the Bills success in the Josh Allen era out of the following group (listed in no particular order)?

 

Bills

Chiefs

Bengals

49ers

Buccs

Bengals

Eagles

Rams

Patriots

 

So I was talking about since 2020 rather than the Josh's entire career. My opinion is the Bills have been the best team not to win a Superbowl in that period. 

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, JimmyNoodles said:

This team has done better than expected for me also. But, your points are spot on. We have been here before and collapsed at the end. This team has serious problems on defense for a championship run. The run D stinks and we have an average pass rush. We also have to contend with coaching brain farts at critical moments.  Let’s see if the defensive weaknesses improve after the bye and if we can get the number 1 seed.  This team is constructed, as in years past, that Josh has to be practically flawless to win. That’s hard to do across multiple playoff games. 

 May be the narratives change this year in the playoffs.

The defense rises 

The offense is balanced and doesn't require Allen to be a super hero

Allen makes those spectacular plays that only he can make but stays within the system.

 

They could be winning the SB this year.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

That’s fine Gunner. I respect you as a poster but we are just looking at this different.
 

I measure this team on how deep they get, period. At the end of the day I don’t really care what the circumstances are. Life tends to not care about the “variables” and when you introduce them it turns into a never ending hypothetical. Nobody cares that I overcame X or Y to get to the place I’m at. Life isn’t about these nuances. 

 

Have we been the better franchise excluding the playoffs? Sure. We have been more consistent. Our floor is higher but so far there ceiling is higher and I would rather this mo fo be cathedral ceilings with how I look at this. They just have gotten way deeper.
 

We did the whole champions of the decade in the 90’s. Would I trade it for one 2010‘s Eagles or 1990’s Giants/Redskins style Super Bowl? Hell ya I would. We already had won the round as the team of the decade and it’s hard to top the 90’s with that designation.
 

My outlook at this point is pure results.  That, we don’t really have. I’m hopeful on this iteration. We will see how it goes. If we don’t make the conference championship at this point I will keep feeling as I do. We need to accomplish more outside the regular season and early playoffs. 

 

To be clear I don't think your way of looking at it is unreasonable. But you stsrted fron a premise that "only Bills fans could look at it different" and it was ridiculous to have a different view. 

 

That isn't true. The Bills body of work this decade is extremely impressive. Comfortably the 2nd best team in football over the 4 and a half years. Does that count for more than winning a Superbowl? No. But does it count for more than teams who have the same problem we do - can't get past the Chiefs? I think that bit is debatable.

[Bills!Win!]

9 hours ago, cgang said:

I’m too jaded to think this is the year.  But I’m having a great time seeing these guys ball out.  I’m just along for the ride and f-it where this is headed.  I’m one with the universe and letting each game just come to me.  I’ll be at the 49ers game this Sunday (traveling from Virginia and hoping I don’t get stuck in a snow drift).   Looking forward to a great game and and time with my fellow bills fans and family! 

This feels like a a2005-2007 Sabres and a 2020 bills type of year. Unexpected fun ride that will end up short but we will all look back at it fondly 

[ganesh]

13 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This feels like a a2005-2007 Sabres and a 2020 bills type of year. Unexpected fun ride that will end up short but we will all look back at it fondly 

This year we want the Lombardi.  Go Bills !!!

[Matt_In_NH]

9 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Which advanced stats do you mean? In the past 5 games what more would you expect to "pass the eye test"? We have put up 30 each week including last week without Coleman and Kincaid. 

When fans say “eye test”.  It means they have a narrative and it’s just a fake addition of “information” to support that narrative. 

[aristocrat]

58 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This feels like a a2005-2007 Sabres and a 2020 bills type of year. Unexpected fun ride that will end up short but we will all look back at it fondly 

Just pray that we don't lose our entire defense leading up to the afc title game and josh(connolly) our best player on offense to an almost career ending concussion as well. The niners look like the 05-06 sabres 

Edited November 26 by aristocrat

[TH3]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We have the same DVOA as last year, which was the lowest DVOA we have had in the 2020’s. In 2022 in was 38.9 which was the best in football. EPA aligns with this as well. 

“Let’s get this thread back on topic”🤫