Brock Purdy- Shoulder Injury

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

The beatdown of Phillip Rivers? You mean the game we allowed a playoff record in victory for first downs and yards gained? Then that Baltimore game in a wind tunnel. That singular divisional win we have in the McD era really gets your engine going huh?

 

2 of those divisional losses were to the chiefs which could’ve easily been the afc championship quality wise though so I don’t read into that point a whole lot.  
 

first point about Phil rivers was spot on though he had a great game. If Allen/gabe Davis didn’t step up that could’ve easily been a loss 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

No. It's that SF is in the exact same position the bills are in.

 

Great team over the years who hasn't beat KC.

 

If KC was in the NFC, then we would be talking about the bills losing to the KC in the Super Bowl, with SF not even getting there

 

This is undeniably true IMO.

 

EDIT: worth saying Shanahan's 9ers are 0-5 vs the Chiefs. Regular and post season. McDermott's Bills are 5-4. 

Edited November 25 by GunnerBill

[TH3]

7 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

They have two NFC championships. It sort of ends with that unless you're in a fantasy. I gave you real stats of what has happened in the playoffs. I gave you real results. You gave me theories and hypotheticals. Maybe this is the year we don't exit again prior to accomplishing nothing. Hope so. 

Maybe you should not be a fan of this era of the Bills….you know wait another 25-40 years….might be something you can get behind 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Estro said:

Bills open up as 6.5 point favorites vs. 49ers. This line indicates Purdy isn't playing.

 

After the news of Purdy missing the Packers game broke the 49ers went from a small underdog to 5.5 point underdogs. I don't think the Bills would be 6.5 point favs with Purdy playing, likely would be in the -3 or 4 range

Purdy is playing though, the Niners have said as much already. They’re a game out of being tied for 1st in their division. 6.5 points is insane to me. Like a full 3.5 points off. Maybe 4.5 points. Average fan will bet the bills based on the records and purdy potentially still in pain. But this isn’t a matchup I look at and say Bills should be favored by anything more than 2.5 points, even at home. 

[MikePJ76]

SF is so much better than Buffalo that with healthy teams, on two weeks rest and on  neutral fields the most they have scored on KC is 22 points.  
 

Buffalo scored more on KC last year than SF did.  
 

but hey SF beat the juggernauts of Seattle and Dallas a couple of times to get to the Super Bowl so they are an amazing team.

 

they have beat one great team in the playoffs and that was Detroit last year and if you recall the game Detroit lost it more than SF won it.

[Dopey]

20 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

That RB was offensive player of the year last year. Two Super Bowls to our tandems zero. They made so many good draft picks and decisions that your call outs don’t even matter.  I know we just won our first Super Bowl last week but some perspective is ok. 

So, the premise of my post was comparing McBeane to Shanahan and Lynch. I wasn't not saying MCM sucks. It just was not the right move. Take a look at MCM's injury history just before SF picked him up. It was a desperate move to pay $16 million a year for an injury prone RB with that much usage on him already. And they could only do so because they are paying Brock about $1 million per year. They took one major mistake (Lance) and compounded it by picking up CMC. CMC was great for a minute. It happens with almost every RB. a 2–3 year window of peak performance and SF missed it by a 2-3 years. Now they are stuck with him and still have to pay Brock like he's a great QB. Maybe Allen type $. I don't envy their position. Especially compared to ours. Thanks MCBeane. Of my list below, they could only make mistake #3 because of mistake #2. These are only 3 I wanted to point out. As to my call outs, this was only a list of 3. I could find more. You saying these call outs don't matter is laughable. You and most TBD would have had the mob out for McBeane if these were moves they made. There is no denying that. Is there? I think my perspective is fine. 

 

I can’t believe I had to defend McBeane being a better duo than Shanahan and Lynch here last year. Just 3 examples of fireable moves: 

1) They chose some guy named Soloman Thomas #3 overall with their first ever pick as a duo. He’s no Josh Allen. 

2) The Trey Lance debacle. Yep, #3 overall again. Not to mention what they gave up for Trey. 
3) You do NOT put that much collateral into a rb. Especially an injury prone rb. $16 million a year for a rb.?!  
 

Lynch and Shanahan < McBeane and it’s not even close. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Maybe you should not be a fan of this era of the Bills….you know wait another 25-40 years….might be something you can get behind 

 

Sorry I still champion logic vs fandom. Your choice if you want to use the land of hypotheticals vs what is actually happened. 

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is undeniably true IMO.

 

EDIT: worth saying Shanahan's 9ers are 0-5 vs the Chiefs. Regular and post season. McDermott's Bills are 5-4. 

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is undeniably true IMO.

 

EDIT: worth saying Shanahan's 9ers are 0-5 vs the Chiefs. Regular and post season. McDermott's Bills are 5-4. 

Yes or no, the 49ers have more high quality playoff wins than the Bills? 

 

Yes or no, the 49ers have more hardware than the Bills?

 

Yet we have the more distinguished resume this decade. Again, only here results don't matter. We have accomplished the exact same as the Dallas Cowboys this decade. At least if you look at actual results. 

 

 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Purdy is playing though, the Niners have said as much already. They’re a game out of being tied for 1st in their division. 6.5 points is insane to me. Like a full 3.5 points off. Maybe 4.5 points. Average fan will bet the bills based on the records and purdy potentially still in pain. But this isn’t a matchup I look at and say Bills should be favored by anything more than 2.5 points, even at home. 

you crazy.  Even with Purdy no-doubt playing, we should absolutely be favorites by at least 4.5 or so.  The Niners are 5-6 for crying out loud.

[MikePJ76]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Sorry I still champion logic vs fandom. Your choice if you want to use the land of hypotheticals vs what is actually happened. 

 

 

Yes or no, the 49ers have more high quality playoff wins than the Bills? 

 

Yes or no, the 49ers have more hardware than the Bills?

 

Yet we have the more distinguished resume this decade. Again, only here results don't matter. We have accomplished the exact same as the Dallas Cowboys this decade. At least if you look at actual results. 

 

 

Dallas has one playoff win this decade and have not been to a championship game since 1995 what are you talking about?

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Purdy is playing though, the Niners have said as much already. They’re a game out of being tied for 1st in their division. 6.5 points is insane to me. Like a full 3.5 points off. Maybe 4.5 points. Average fan will bet the bills based on the records and purdy potentially still in pain. But this isn’t a matchup I look at and say Bills should be favored by anything more than 2.5 points, even at home. 

We were favored by 2.5 points against the Patrick Mahomes led Chiefs, and beat them by 9.  Yet you think we shouldn’t be favored by more than 2.5 against a 5-6 49ers team with their starting QB banged up???  Is there something special about being a game out of 1st in the NFC West, where we’ve pretty well handled two of those teams already?

[JP51]

49 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We were favored by 2.5 points against the Patrick Mahomes led Chiefs, and beat them by 9.  Yet you think we shouldn’t be favored by more than 2.5 against a 5-6 49ers team with their starting QB banged up???  Is there something special about being a game out of 1st in the NFC West, where we’ve pretty well handled two of those teams already?

I hear ya, make us dogs, I dont care... Just win... the rest will sort itself out i think. 

[Scott7975]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If I'm not mistaken, Bizarro Allen has started in Buffalo before. He was a Bronco then. He played horrible (less than 100 pass yards)

 

Yes you are correct but he wasn't wearing #17 then.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Yes or no, the 49ers have more high quality playoff wins than the Bills? 

 

Arguably. Those Green Bay teams were pretty flawed and the Bills beat them very easily in the regular season so I think it is arguable that only that Lions win last year really was a against a high quality team.

 

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Yes or no, the 49ers have more hardware than the Bills?

 

Yes, they have two conference championship.

 

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Yet we have the more distinguished resume this decade.

 

Depends how you quantify it. In this decade:

 

Wins: Bills 57 (2nd); 49ers 46 (6th)

Points: Bills 2,210 (1st); 49ers 1,994 (7th)

Points against: Bills 1,475 (1st); 49ers 1,552 (2nd)

Division titles: Bills 4; 49ers 2

Playoff wins: Bills 5; 49ers 6

Conference championships: Bills 0, 49ers 2

Superbowls: Bills 0; 49ers 0

 

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Again, only here results don't matter. We have accomplished the exact same as the Dallas Cowboys this decade. At least if you look at actual results. 

 

 

Demonstrably false. Cowboys ranks in that time:

Wins: 45 (9th)

Points: 2,088 (2nd)

Points against: 1,781 (15th)

Division titles: 2

Playoff wins: 1

Conference Championships: 0

Superbowls: 0

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It’s going to be 20 degrees, wet, and windy Sunday night. Purdy doesn’t want to play.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Yes or no, the 49ers have more high quality playoff wins than the Bills? 

 

Yet we have the more distinguished resume this decade. Again, only here results don't matter. We have accomplished the exact same as the Dallas Cowboys this decade. At least if you look at actual results. 

 

 

They have more wins.  Not sure about the quality in the weak NFC.  They've lost to the Chiefs twice so if they face them in the Divisional round twice like us then they'd pry get bounced then and not winning anything like us.  Same goes for the AFC Championship game in the Covid year.  I think they lost to the Rams and Eagles over that 2019 until now stretch too.  

[JP51]

15 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

No. It's that SF is in the exact same position the bills are in.

 

Great team over the years who hasn't beat KC.

 

If KC was in the NFC, then we would be talking about the bills losing to the KC in the Super Bowl, with SF not even getting there

Honestly, I remember when making the playoffs with that last second TD against Baltimore made us jump up and down and give half a Mill to Andy Daltons charity.. we have come a long way. I remember just making it was good enough... then... you realize that winning the Super Bowl is really all that matters... your level of disappointment and angst just ramp up the farther into the playoffs you go... doesnt mean you dont appreciate the ride... the 90s Bills as heartbreaking as it was was 1 helluva ride and I wouldnt change it despite the pain (unless I could change it to winning one) ... But... Bottom line people can throw their stats around... but it just reminds me of that saying... Stats are for losers... Chiefs dont throw around stats... they flash rings... so at least from my perspective... we can banter all we want about who was better at what... in the end... flash the ring.. thats all that matters to me... not debating who was less of a loser...  dont get me wrong, I get it... its a message board and debating is what we do... but on this topic... nah... just win and point to the scoreboard. 

Edited November 25 by JP51

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Sure as you stand, if a dudes Guna come back from injury…it’ll be against us. Don’t worry 

[Joe Mama]

9 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Purdy is playing though, the Niners have said as much already. They’re a game out of being tied for 1st in their division. 6.5 points is insane to me. Like a full 3.5 points off. Maybe 4.5 points. Average fan will bet the bills based on the records and purdy potentially still in pain. But this isn’t a matchup I look at and say Bills should be favored by anything more than 2.5 points, even at home. 

Why don't you take out a second mortgage and put it on SF if you really believe this? Put your money where your post is!

[CNYfan]

I don't care much about the line, or what the line should or shouldn't be in Las Vegas.   But if it is one score that is one missed run gap from being a pick'em, or worse. 

 

To me the 9er's are a tough, well coached team, that no one in the NFL should take lightly and I am hoping the Bills are healthy, have a plan and are ready to go.  

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Arguably. Those Green Bay teams were pretty flawed and the Bills beat them very easily in the regular season so I think it is arguable that only that Lions win last year really was a against a high quality team.

 

 

Yes, they have two conference championship.

 

 

Depends how you quantify it. In this decade:

 

Wins: Bills 57 (2nd); 49ers 46 (6th)

Points: Bills 2,210 (1st); 49ers 1,994 (7th)

Points against: Bills 1,475 (1st); 49ers 1,552 (2nd)

Division titles: Bills 4; 49ers 2

Playoff wins: Bills 5; 49ers 6

Conference championships: Bills 0, 49ers 2

Superbowls: Bills 0; 49ers 0

 

 

Demonstrably false. Cowboys ranks in that time:

Wins: 45 (9th)

Points: 2,088 (2nd)

Points against: 1,781 (15th)

Division titles: 2

Playoff wins: 1

Conference Championships: 0

Superbowls: 0

 

How many wins past the wild card round for us 1, for them 6, how many championship game appearances 4 to our 1. It’s not close really, unless regular season championships in horrible division is your thing. That weak conference they belong to produced a Super Bowl champion over this time.  Our strong division did what again? You keep bringing up all this strong AFC competition but the fact is our accomplishment are on the back of a weakest division in football and our playoff wins are against scrubs and third rate players. They have accomplished so much more it’s not even comparable. Only to Bills fans.