Uproar over Hanging Kermit

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Drew21PA said:

You older folks use to do this with an actual Marino doll 

 

give me a break cmon - it’s a rivalry not racism or wishing death - it’s a sport rivalry

 

tastefully done?

 

no

 

but cmon the uproar is silly 

 

Go watch Mississippi Burning and let me know if you still think it's silly.

[Beck Water]

38 minutes ago, Sweats said:

How was it more offensive than a Billdo being thrown on the field?!?

 

Perhaps you could explain to me, in the history of the world, how many people have been murdered by dildos?

 

I can think of one, and that's just rumor.

[Blackbeard]

I premise this all with saying I have a very thick skin.

 

But using a noose for anything is wrong.  It's very much seen as a symbol of the horrible times during slavery.  

 

It was a classless act by some people in this fanbase.  Not representative of us as a whole.

 

 

[f0neguy]

Warning for what?  If I had to guess I’d say whoever hung the doll isn’t racist. Poor taste? Sure.   Where’s the outrage for the 70,000 KC fans doing the war chant and tomahawk chop before every game (obvious racist overtones).  I’ve been to multiple stadiums and seen mascots and effigies of players hung and it wasn’t a big deal.  

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

You don't see how hanging a black person in effigy is racist???

It’s not about him being black or at least you don’t know that. Also are you aware that throughout history people of every color have been hanged?? Not everything is about racism bud. 

[dgrochester55]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Doesn't matter what their intentions were; it is still racism and wrong.

 

Because absolutes and outrage are always a winning combo.

 

Look, it was in bad taste, but they did it because it was an opponent and a rival, not because of race. You are choosing to make it about race and trying to force us all to go along with it. Cut it out. If it is that offensive to you, find the three people that put it up (who happen to be black according to other TBD posters who were there), and tell them why they are racists.

 

It was a poor judgement call and nothing else.

Edited November 21 by dgrochester55

[loyal2dagame]

17 minutes ago, RichStadiumGuy said:

Is it still racist if it was erected by three black guys? A friend of mine watched them putting it up while he was heading into the stadium.

I was about to say the same thing.  I see the guys every game that put the frog up. It's a frigging frog. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

It's good that it's being talked about because the lynching stuff needs to go.   Just in very poor taste and it's not been an uncommon thing for people to put jerseys on a dummy or stuffed animal and hang an opposing player in effigy at Bills tailgates/games.    I know that Bills fans could have taken a sign that said "Mahomes is a (gay slur)" into the stadium if it were 20-30 years ago and it would have gotten a lot of laughs but that kind of thing got rightfully quashed and so should the lynching stuff.    Be more creative.  

 

 

Edited November 21 by BADOLBILZ

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I premise this all with saying I have a very thick skin.

 

But using a noose for anything is wrong.  It's very much seen as a symbol of the horrible times during slavery.  

 

It was a classless act by some people in this fanbase.  Not representative of us as a whole.

 

 

It doesn't appear that they used a noose.

[hondo in seattle]

I'm personally not offended.  It's just Kermit in a Mahomes jersey.  That's not the same as hanging Mahomes in effigy which would be offensive in my mind.  

 

On the other hand, some people are offended and that's a problem.  Not to be pessimistic,  but it seems to me that life sh*ts on all of us enough (illness, old age, letters from the IRS, etc.) that we shouldn't sh*t on each other.  

 

Edit: I just read through the entire thread, looked at the image again, and reconsidered my position.  Forget any earlier ambivalence...  It's offensive.  

 

Edited November 21 by hondo in seattle

[SF Bills Fan]

I loved it and thought it was hilarious. Worry about things that deserve to be worried about, I say. 

[Danger Mouse]

It's not the cleverest imagery, tbh

[Blackbeard]

5 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

It’s not about him being black or at least you don’t know that. Also are you aware that throughout history people of every color have been hanged?? Not everything is about racism bud. 

You need to realize that a noose is seen as very offense to some.  Maybe not you, but to some, yes.  And maybe be a little more conscious to that.

 

Do i think there is an err of racism involved with the kermit thing?  No.  But again, it was in poor taste (if indeed it was a noose).

[T master]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

Have we learned nothing in the last 4 years?  Any event involving something even resembling a noose is considered a hate crime in modern society.

 

 

 

For Gods sake, bible verses are considered hate speech so a picture of a noose is a totally offensive thing . People are way to over sensitive !!! 

Edited November 21 by T master

[Breakout Squad]

3 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

You need to realize that a noose is seen as very offense to some.  Maybe not you, but to some, yes.  And maybe be a little more conscious to that.

 

Do i think there is an err of racism involved with the kermit thing?  No.  But again, it was in poor taste (if indeed it was a noose).

I do realize that I don’t need a lesson. I have a Bachelor in History/Education.
 

And it wasn’t a noose so the whole outrage from people is misplaced. 

[chongli]

29 minutes ago, RichStadiumGuy said:

Is it still racist if it was erected by three black guys? A friend of mine watched them putting it up while he was heading into the stadium.

 

Yes.

13 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

It’s not about him being black or at least you don’t know that. Also are you aware that throughout history people of every color have been hanged?? Not everything is about racism bud. 

 

In America, there is a sad history of lynching black people, so it's different.

[Breakout Squad]

2 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Yes.

 

In America, there is a sad history of lynching black people, so it's different.

Thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea 

[BarleyNY]

https://amp.tmz.com/2024/11/17/bills-fans-hang-kermit-puppet-mahomes-jersey-chiefs-game/

 

Pic here. I don’t see a noose. Big difference between saying “ha ha, Mahomes looks like Kermit” and hanging him in effigy with a noose.

Edited November 21 by BarleyNY

[chongli]

14 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said:

 

Because absolutes and outrage are always a winning combo.

 

Look, it was in bad taste, but they did it because it was an opponent and a rival, not because of race. You are choosing to make it about race and trying to force us all to go along with it. Cut it out. If it is that offensive to you, find the three people that put it up (who happen to be black according to other TBD posters who were there), and tell them why they are racists.

 

It was a poor judgement call and nothing else.

 

The intent wasn't racist, perhaps but it had the effect of being racist. The perpetrators made it about race, although, perhaps, unknowingly. Their actions must be condemned.

2 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

Thanks for the history lesson. I had no idea 

 

Thank you for agreeing with my point.

[Alphadawg7]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:32 AM, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

It’s honestly embarrassing how soft and toxically outraged society has become.  I mean it’s sports rivalries…it’s as close to anything goes as it gets.  It’s sports banter which is the basis of why sports are as big as they are.  To take it serious is just a silly concept.  
 

Dont get me wrong, there are still lines that you can’t cross that go too far, but those are blatantly obvious and have more literal meanings and interpretations (like using racial slurs for example).  
 

At this point I almost root for people to do and say things that get the “outrage police” out in full force just to troll them.  
 

And he does sound like Kermit, so this was funny.  
 

 

Edited November 22 by Alphadawg7