Uproar over Hanging Kermit

[JoeF]

5 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

Terrible, disturbing and passionate, generous, friendly, loyal to a fault and blessed...that would be Bills fans.

[benderbender]

I've seen the pictures, I'm sure we can agree it was in poor taste. It's the media running away with it that bothers me more. Can anyone find any direct first person statements from anyone these clickbait articles are about? Patrick didn't talk about it during a press conference. I can't find any statements from the Mahomes family or Swift incorporated. All I can find is fake articles citing vague "reports" that Brittany Mahomes was "shaken," or that Swift was "shocked" though she wasn't there. 

[Returntoglory]

2 minutes ago, benderbender said:

I've seen the pictures, I'm sure we can agree it was in poor taste. It's the media running away with it that bothers me more. Can anyone find any direct first person statements from anyone these clickbait articles are about? Patrick didn't talk about it during a press conference. I can't find any statements from the Mahomes family or Swift incorporated. All I can find is fake articles citing vague "reports" that Brittany Mahomes was "shaken," or that Swift was "shocked" though she wasn't there. 

Yeah. That's not like the media 😏

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, it kind of helps me understand just how unconsciously privileged you are and have been all your life.  I guaran-*****in-tee you there were guys (and if there were any gals, gals) on your job who felt they were better off keeping their mouths shut and not pointing out the crap said and done that was offensive.  Either you had someone on the site who actually had a relative or relative's friend who was actually lynched and who didn't find your noose funny, OR the Good Old Days you mourn were good for a bunch of paunchy white dudes who got to scratch their gut and har-har about how their ideal woman is 3 ft tall, flat headed, and has no teeth.

 

That's really what it's all about - whether or not there's a dominant group that gets to define acceptable humor, or whether the targets get a voice.
 

You mentioned "30-40 years ago"

The first Federal seatbelt law was passed in 1968. 30 years ago, it was illegal to not wear seatbelts in something like 48 out of 50 states.  40 years ago, not so much, but that changed about 2 years later.  So the time you're mourning must be older than that.

Poor little atavism.  Can you even see the contradiction between saying "I don't care" and the stuff you're posting here? 

If you don't care, why even bother to post about it?  Just let it slide off your back, the way I had to let all the racist and sexist crap I dealt with back in the '70s and '80s slide because I couldn't afford, mentally or financially, to let it derail me from my goals.

 

Didn't mean I found it inoffensive.

 

If you drink and drive, you're an idiot. If you build something on a construction site while drinking, you're an idiot. And this joke narrative about "I'm old and I'll do what I want to do" is also lazy and idiotic. In life no matter what age you are, you have certain moral & ethical societal responsibilities. Yelling at clouds and kicking guys off your lawn don't fly anymore. Remind me not to walk into a @Sweats building. 

[Stretch]

There was no noose around the Kermit doll’s neck.  Not a big deal at all.

[RiotAct]

45 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is a scalping action with a tomahawk chop while chanting: "Woo woo, woo woo woo" also in poor taste?

 

Asking for a friend...

I’ve always thought of it more as “ whoaaaaa, ohhhh ohhhhhh, whoaaaaa, ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhhh”.

[JP51]

14 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Terrible, disturbing and passionate, generous, friendly, loyal to a fault and blessed...that would be Bills fans.

I think we need to be better than that

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, Process said:

I don't find it funny but I also don't think it's anything to get too worked up about 

My feelings exactly. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Stretch said:

There was no noose around the Kermit doll’s neck.  Not a big deal at all.

 

So hanging a black man in effigy with a sailor's hitch is cool then?

Is the type of knot really a thing?

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

I’ve always thought of it more as “ whoaaaaa, ohhhh ohhhhhh, whoaaaaa, ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhhh”.

Yeah. I just started typing. 

 

I want some of my undeleted post to be: "in." 😆🤣 

 

Thanks for the grammar lesson.  We gotta work fast here!

[london_bills]

5 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

Whilst I take mental health and suicide seriously, I think this is more the tribal nature of sports and don't think it's that big of a deal. What does worry me is it motivating KC in a playoff game

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I lived life back in the day when it was acceptable to drink on construction sites, where it was acceptable to drink and drive, drive without a seatbelt, when you got into a fight in the bar the bouncers just let it go to see how it all played out, you drove without a driver's license and no one really cared, safety of any kind especially on construction sites was never even cared about, etc.

 

Things were different back then and hanging a noose on a construction site was a "rite of passage", not a symbol of ill-will towards anyone. It was done in jest to show the apprentices what would happen to them if they ****ed up. It was a joke, and we all knew it was a joke........unfortunately, all it takes is one person with hurt feelings who is "triggered" to create an issue for a long-standing tradition that ruins it for everyone.

And trust me, we had no "go along to get along".........we had men that spoke their minds and weren't afraid to say it. If you couldn't speak your mind or if you are easily offended, then perhaps construction wasn't for you, and it was best for that person to move on because we were never going to change the culture to suit one person.

 

We live in an age that i don't recognize anymore and when i say that i am old and probably one step closer to death, so all of these nonsense society changes mean nothing to me, it is in jest, however, it really isn't, because i don't care.

 

I am the way i am and if anyone has a problem with it, then it is their problem. At least people know what they are getting when it comes to me......they figure it out 100% within the first 2 minutes. There is no bull****, there are no lies, no games, nothing but upfront honesty and if that hurts people's feelings, or they get offended, or triggered, well it's not like you didn't know going into it cause i am the way i am and i will not change to satisfy a society that has lost its way.....and let's be honest here, if you've been around on this planet for any length of time, you've seen that society has lost its way and it's getting worse by the day.

 

Hope that clears it up for you.

 

Yeah so was forcing people of color to go in the back door of restaurants if they were allowed in there at all and making them sit in the back of the bus.  Having segregated schools, bathrooms and water fountains along with Jim Crow laws and many thinking they were "better than someone" based on the color of their skin.

 

Sorry, as much as you may want to go back to those days, we are never going back.  I'm sure many still believe in those things, they just have to live in a world where their hate, racism and bigotry no longer wins out and a world where they are now the minority.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Big Turk

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

Is the type of knot really a thing?

Yeah. Apparently the knot IS important when a neck needs to snap?  Or do you want them to just dangle there 1/2 alive? 

 

/smdh

 

That's the point of the knot and the 13 unlucky curls, right?

[Nitro]

5 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

I found it to be low brow.  Hanging anyone in effigy is bad form.  The not too distant history of lynchings is still in the minds of many.  

[wjag]

As stupid as jumping through tables is.  And now CBS has gone and normalized that behavior  jumping through clearly compromised tables

[Malazan]

11 pages of "everyone is so sensitive these days" folks getting bent out of shape about people using words to express what they think

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Nitro said:

I found it to be low brow.  Hanging anyone in effigy is bad form.  The not too distant history of lynchings is still in the minds of many.  

I mean, I agree. But really? Kermit in a Mahomes jersey? I posted the Beckham thing above from 1998.

 

Low brow people do low brow things... There was no intent to intimidate a group here.

[Returntoglory]

26 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yes poor taste... But effigy is protected under 1st Amendment. There was no intimidation of a group, etc...

 

Effigy since the dawn of this country (and of course before) has been used, a viable tool, to display dislike...

 

Sure... It's in bad taste, move on.

Ah, yes, the old "it's protected speech" defense—how wonderfully convenient. While it’s true the First Amendment offers a robust shield for expression, it’s worth remembering that not every act that *can* be done should necessarily *be* done. An effigy, as you rightly point out, is a time-honored tool of protest, but let's not mistake *viability* for *virtue*. 

If we follow that logic too far, we could end up defending the right to throw a tantrum in a public space, so long as it's technically *legal*. After all, it's still a form of expression, right? Still, I suppose if we're just “moving on” as you suggest, we can all rest easy knowing that bad taste has, in fact, become a protected art form.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Returntoglory said:

Ah, yes, the old "it's protected speech" defense—how wonderfully convenient. While it’s true the First Amendment offers a robust shield for expression, it’s worth remembering that not every act that *can* be done should necessarily *be* done. An effigy, as you rightly point out, is a time-honored tool of protest, but let's not mistake *viability* for *virtue*. 

If we follow that logic too far, we could end up defending the right to throw a tantrum in a public space, so long as it's technically *legal*. After all, it's still a form of expression, right? Still, I suppose if we're just “moving on” as you suggest, we can all rest easy knowing that bad taste has, in fact, become a protected art form.

"Has"

 

Always was.

 

Nothing new.

[london_bills]

Id feel differently about it if it was actually mahomes face on the figure