Uproar over Hanging Kermit

[chongli]

22 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think Brady trademarked that. 

 

He actually trademarked the d****o that a fan threw!

[US Egg]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

I think Brady trademarked that. 

I think it was this one:

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

Cmon man.  You're smart. You have a history degree.

Not as smart as you with your fancy degree I apologize for only getting a Bachelor. I must defer all my opinions to you because of your excellence. You really are being a keyboard bully. I thought I could have an opinion but you know more than the rest of us…

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

Ironically you're offended i gave you a "lesson", which i didn't.

 

But you cannot see how someone would be offended by a noose.  Pot meeting kettle.

 

BTW i have a Juris Doctorate in law.  So there.

 

 

Wasn’t offended by you. Didn’t say I cannot see how people could be offended. Go pound salt. 

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's way over the top.  Hanging a player in effigy is crap.  How would you like it if an opposing team had a doll showing Allen being hung, or stabbed, or bloody and dismembered? 

Then add in that Mahomes is black, and from Texas - a state that has a documented history of at least 600 lynchings of black people between 1896 and 1945 and it has racist overtones.

 

Frankly, dismissing it as "fans being fans" is IMO not a good look for you.  Dismissing anything that involves actual assault/murder or depictions of actual assault/murder as "fans being fans" or "boys being boys" or whatever is just..... Ick.

I remember a case as recent as the 90s that involved a black man being dragged behind a truck until he was decapitated. That was in Texas if memory serves. 
 

This Kermit situation would not invoke those things to me. Tasteless and unfunny definitely. But nothing that relates to atrocities.

 

Now the case on Reddit where a Chiefs fan was assaulted at the game, that’s concerning. 

[Big Turk]

32 minutes ago, T.E. said:

1. Mahomes never faced lynching as a regular part of life either.

 

2. Many white people were lynched. The largest mass lynching happened in New Orleans to Italian immigrants.

 

3. Telling people to educate themselves by watching fictional movies loosely based on history is ridiculous. For a perfect example why, look at how many people believe that Ruben "Hurricane" Carter was wrongly accused because a popular Denzel Washington movie misrepresented every single fact about his case.

 

 

1) Tone Deaf. It doesn't matter.

2) That's great. Many White people were enslaved too and there were Black slave owners as well, what's your point?

3) Are you trying to argue that type of stuff never happened? Regardless of how "fictional" the movie was in how it portrayed the overall topic it was covering, there are plenty of accounts historically to verify that what happened in the movie related to lynching is plenty factual.

[WotAGuy]

Hanging a frog is just awful.  Where is PETA when we need them. 
 

Why couldn’t they do something tasteful like this:

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is a scalping action with a tomahawk chop while chanting: "Woo woo, woo woo woo" also in poor taste?

 

Asking for a friend...

It is ...

And of course you know two wrongs don't make a right

[gordong]

depends on pronouns that were used 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

It is ...

And of course you know two wrongs don't make a right

 

If you always take the high road, you will encounter less traffic. 

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is a scalping action with a tomahawk chop while chanting: "Woo woo, woo woo woo" also in poor taste?

 

Asking for a friend...

 

Lowering the depth of the gutter shouldn't be viewed as cool because "it's not too far away" from the previous low.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I lived life back in the day when it was acceptable to drink on construction sites, where it was acceptable to drink and drive, drive without a seatbelt, when you got into a fight in the bar the bouncers just let it go to see how it all played out, you drove without a driver's license and no one really cared, safety of any kind especially on construction sites was never even cared about, etc.

 

Things were different back then and hanging a noose on a construction site was a "rite of passage", not a symbol of ill-will towards anyone. It was done in jest to show the apprentices what would happen to them if they ****ed up. It was a joke, and we all knew it was a joke........unfortunately, all it takes is one person with hurt feelings who is "triggered" to create an issue for a long-standing tradition that ruins it for everyone.

And trust me, we had no "go along to get along".........we had men that spoke their minds and weren't afraid to say it. If you couldn't speak your mind or if you are easily offended, then perhaps construction wasn't for you, and it was best for that person to move on because we were never going to change the culture to suit one person.

 

We live in an age that i don't recognize anymore and when i say that i am old and probably one step closer to death, so all of these nonsense society changes mean nothing to me, it is in jest, however, it really isn't, because i don't care.

 

I am the way i am and if anyone has a problem with it, then it is their problem. At least people know what they are getting when it comes to me......they figure it out 100% within the first 2 minutes. There is no bull****, there are no lies, no games, nothing but upfront honesty and if that hurts people's feelings, or they get offended, or triggered, well it's not like you didn't know going into it cause i am the way i am and i will not change to satisfy a society that has lost its way.....and let's be honest here, if you've been around on this planet for any length of time, you've seen that society has lost its way and it's getting worse by the day.

 

Hope that clears it up for you.

I feel sad for you. To live out your days stuck in a world that no longer exists. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

44 minutes ago, T.E. said:

 

2. Many white people were lynched. The largest mass lynching happened in New Orleans to Italian immigrants.

 

In 1891, Italian immigrants were in not considered "white" by a majority of the public. Only through a modern lens can you go back and say it was a white person being lynched. At the time, they were lynching a non-white minority. 

[Bills aPHILLYate]

22 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Is a scalping action with a tomahawk chop while chanting: "Woo woo, woo woo woo" also in poor taste?

 

Asking for a friend...

I assume that this friend has no ties historically to anything that would relate it to being offensive but it would be disingenuous to think that someone who is attached to it wouldn't view it that way.

 

Washington eventually caved in and changed their team name years and years after refuting numerous attempts from the demographic that expressed how it was insulting. 

 

Even Cleveland changed to the Guardians...

 

Just because a majority can overlook it and classify it to their liking doesn't mean that it isn't in poor taste.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:53 PM by Bills aPHILLYate

[ExiledInIllinois]

11 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Hanging a frog is just awful.  Where is PETA when we need them. 
 

Why couldn’t they do something tasteful like this:

 

 

WOW!🤣 

 

Hey Paddy... You gotta a purdy mouth!

🥴

1 minute ago, Bills aPHILLYate said:

I assume that this friend has no ties historically to anything that would relate it to being offensive but it would be disingenuous to think that someone who is attached to it would view it that way.

 

Washington eventually caved in and changed their team name years and years after refuting numerous attempts from the demographic that expressed how it was insulting. 

 

Even Cleveland changed to the Guardians...

 

Just because a majority can overlook it and classify it to their liking doesn't mean that it isn't in poor taste.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This friend does!!  You assume wrong.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

I lived life back in the day.....

 

We're sorry to hear about your untimely death.

Please pass along our condolences to your family.

[Returntoglory]

5 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

The immediate response by some is the lynching of a black man. Regardless if that's the inference, society today immediately goes for the racist spin. I feel it was in poor taste, personally. 

[WotAGuy]

What this thread needs is a little “Mr. Brightside”. All together now…..

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:56 PM by WotAGuy

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Returntoglory said:

The immediate response by some is the lynching of a black man. Regardless if that's the inference, society today immediately goes for the racist spin. I feel it was in poor taste, personally. 

Yes poor taste... But effigy is protected under 1st Amendment. There was no intimidation of a group, etc...

 

Effigy since the dawn of this country (and of course before) has been used, a viable tool, to display dislike...

 

Sure... It's in bad taste, move on.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

This thread is destined for being locked 🔒

For me, it's a way to intimidate/make the Chiefs know we hate them here.

We walked around Abbott Road one year during heavy traffic with a giant sign that said "Honk if you HATE Brady". 

Even the cops were blaring their horns.

I realize Patrick is mixed, therefore it crosses over into a racial debate.

Maybe something other than hanging him would've sent the same message? 

Beheading? Idk. Drunk people do offensive *****. I'm not sure what the solution is. 

 

[JoeF]

5 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Prior to the game Sunday someone hung a toy Kermit in a Mahomes jersey by a rope.  Now multiple outlets are posting what a terrible disturbing act that was.  Granted, most everyone reading this on this forum is a Bills fan but are others bothered by this?  I see it as fans being fans and it’s not a big deal.  Agree or disagree?

Terrible, disturbing and passionate, generous, friendly, loyal to a fault and blessed...that would be Bills fans.