Comebackkid Posted November 21 Posted November 21 6 hours ago, Augie said: He could bring in Bill Belichick’s dog as asst GM, and it probably wouldn’t hurt the Jets. I mean, they are still the Jets and the owner sets the tone. maybe Von could rename the dog Ron... Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted November 21 Posted November 21 I don’t know if Gray will be a good GM or not. I honestly don’t care. If he leaves best of luck to him. The Jets ownership is so bad the odds of him succeeding aren’t good. Just because someone is a good AGM or scout or player personnel director even from a good organization doesn’t mean they’ll be a good GM, just like most DCs and OCs don’t make good Head Coaches. Beane and McD are the exceptions not the rule. 18 minutes ago, Mailman said: Guarantee ol' Joe Schoen will come back to Buffalo as an "advisor" to GM role. They always come back. That’s fine. The Jets take Gray and Schoen returns. Sounds like a fair swap. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Don’t be surprised if Malik Boyd also gets an interview or two he has in the past Quote
ganesh Posted November 21 Posted November 21 14 hours ago, The Tomcat said: If Brady were to leave would Daball be the guy after he gets fired in NJ? No. Daboll and McDermott don't get along. I can see Stefanski taking up the job. He will have a franchise QB to bolster back his resume for a chance at a HC job Quote
PoundingDog Posted November 21 Posted November 21 12 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: That’s fine. The Jets take Gray and Schoen returns. Sounds like a fair swap. Mmmm. Do you think the Bills drafted better after Schoen left? Of course Beane makes final decision but he'd be influenced a lot by guys like Gray and Schoen around him. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted November 21 Posted November 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, PoundingDog said: Mmmm. Do you think the Bills drafted better after Schoen left? Of course Beane makes final decision but he'd be influenced a lot by guys like Gray and Schoen around him. This is a great question and one that I’d have to research and compare Grays 2 years vs Schoen’s time. I agree that Beane must take the advice of the scouts and senior staff. Overall I think the Bills have drafted well under Beane with an improved emphasis on skill players the last 3 drafts earlier in the draft. I don’t attribute that to Gray because it started before he became Director of Player Personnel and was a necessity given our aging core. (Edit: Gray joined the Bills in 2017 as Director of College Scouting and was a scout for 11 years, so he has had to be involved in the Bills drafting good and bad since then). When I think about a successful draft a team should develop at least 3 starters with one becoming a very good to elite player. Outside the franchise QB, succeeding in the draft as I described allows you to turnover your starters on average every 7 years and should keep a team competitive. The Bills are under the 3 per year goal, but the starters they have found have been excellent and they’ve done a great job at drafting quality depth. Overall they have drafted better lately I think, with 2022 being the best year with 4 great starters in Shakir, Cook, Benford and Bernard even with the Elam miss. That draft is between Gray and Scheon. Edited November 21 by GASabresIUFan 1 Quote
JP51 Posted November 21 Posted November 21 19 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: I have just the guy for them One can only hope LOL 14 hours ago, Mailman said: Guarantee ol' Joe Schoen will come back to Buffalo as an "advisor" to GM role. They always come back. I agree Schoen will be back... Daboll not so much LOL Quote
Saxum Posted November 21 Posted November 21 1 minute ago, JP51 said: One can only hope LOL I agree Schoen will be back... Daboll not so much LOL Daboll COULD but I think he'd have to do it after first apologizing to Coach McD over whatever soured the relationship and it would not be right after he was fired. McDermott seems to be the type to forgive and believes everyone can improve themselves. Quote
JP51 Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Just now, Saxum said: Daboll COULD but I think he'd have to do it after first apologizing to Coach McD over whatever soured the relationship and it would not be right after he was fired. McDermott seems to be the type to forgive and believes everyone can improve themselves. I dont think McD would be the barrier... I think the apologizing and all that would preclude it. I see Daboll being hired as an OC somewhere right away... now... move 5 years down the road... I mean absolutely, they Yankees brought back Billy Martin like what 12 times lol... 1 Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted November 21 Posted November 21 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: The Bills are under the 3 per year goal, but the starters they have found have been excellent and they’ve done a great job at drafting quality depth. I went and looked at Beane’s drafts and I need to revise my comment above. They have nearly every year drafted 3 or more starters and these guys have been very good to excellent as starters. 2018- was a surprising exceptional draft. Allen & Taron Johnson are the studs for the Bills. Edmunds has been pro-bowlers for the Bills, but moved on. Wyatt developed into an all-pro OL but sadly elsewhere. Phillips, depth in Buffalo, is now a quality NFL DL starter. Neal and McCloud are good depth players. 2019 - 3 Starters - Oliver, Singletary and Knox. Oliver is the only VG player. Knox is now high quality depth and Ford is a depth lineman 2020 - 2 Starters in Epenesa and Gabe Davis. Moss and Jackson are quality NFL depth plus PK Bass 2021 - 2 Excellent starters in Rousseau and Brown. Hamlin is good depth and now a starter. Maybe our weakest draft under Beane except the 2 stars. 2022 - 4 exceptional starters - Cook, Shakir, Benford and Bernard. Spector is decent depth and Elam may still become something, maybe. 2023 - 3 starters already in Kincaid, Torrence and Williams, but nothing behind them 2024 - 8 players already contributing with Coleman the only starter so far. Bishop and SVPG are likely future starters with Davis and Grable possible as well. Carter and Solomom are already good depth. UDFA Andressen and traded for UDFA Codrington already contributing as well. Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted November 21 Posted November 21 I think Grey is a better evaluator of talent then Schoen. The last couple drafts have produced multiple starters and high level ones at that while under Schoen we did have the likes of Moss, Ford, and Boogie with high draft capital. Quote
MJS Posted November 21 Posted November 21 22 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Talk about a suicidal career move, it’s like being the HC under Dan Snyder…, Why? He can go run a team for awhile and get some great experience (plus a huge paycheck), and then come back and get his old job back with the Bills. Seems like a good deal. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted November 21 Posted November 21 If Gray is the guy who told Beane Elam is a solid 1st round prospect then by all means call Woody right now and ask when he should expect him. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted November 21 Posted November 21 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If Gray is the guy who told Beane Elam is a solid 1st round prospect then by all means call Woody right now and ask when he should expect him. Gray was on staff, but he became Director of Player Personnel in June 2022, after the 2022 draft. As I outlined about 2022 even with the Elam miss is an incredible draft with 4 pro-bowl + level players in Cook, Shakir, Benford and Bernard. Truly an amazing result. 1 Quote
somnus00 Posted November 21 Posted November 21 On 11/20/2024 at 11:35 AM, Logic said: A New Jersey based team poaching a Bills front office member to be their new GM. If only there was some recent precedent we could look to to see how this may work out for them. Shhhhhh... Quote
Mr. WEO Posted November 21 Posted November 21 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Gray was on staff, but he became Director of Player Personnel in June 2022, after the 2022 draft. As I outlined about 2022 even with the Elam miss is an incredible draft with 4 pro-bowl + level players in Cook, Shakir, Benford and Bernard. Truly an amazing result. they would have paired well with Jermaine Johnson or Karlaftis... Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted November 21 Posted November 21 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: they would have paired well with Jermaine Johnson or Karlaftis... We have beaten the topic to death, but the idea of a CB in that slot made sense, just not the player. We are a zone team and drafted a man cover specialist. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted November 21 Posted November 21 35 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: We have beaten the topic to death, but the idea of a CB in that slot made sense, just not the player. We are a zone team and drafted a man cover specialist. Nice Quote
JohnNord Posted November 21 Posted November 21 On 11/20/2024 at 3:21 PM, Mr. WEO said: for 2 extra 3rd rounders?? Give him a cardboard box and walk him out! 2 extra 3rd rounders? Isn’t just one when a minority coach/GM leaves an organization for a promotion? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted November 21 Posted November 21 4 minutes ago, JohnNord said: 2 extra 3rd rounders? Isn’t just one when a minority coach/GM leaves an organization for a promotion? which one is in the minority? Quote
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