Why is McD not being talked about as coach of the year?

[BarleyNY]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Playoff success may not make you a COTY, but spectacular playoff exits will keep you off it for sure.  It's a bias that sticks with voters.

 

McD isn't exactly making lemonade out lemons, despite how some posters go on...

 

that’s a fair point. as the topic is in favor of McDermott being considered for COTY I thought you were arguing in that direction. 

Edited November 20 by BarleyNY

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Well - He is 5 and 6 in the post season - There are a handful (Belly) who might be significantly better - but 500 is actually pretty good. FFS Lamar is 2 and 6 - Andy Reid was SUB 500 in the post season until 3 years ago

 

Egg against the Jags? - That was a Jesus like miracle getting that roster to the post season - not sure how anyone can be critical of that season

 

 

As originally stated, not critical of any season, just post season games / losses. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Neither is winning 3 of 4 SBs (in 5 seasons).  Reid has never been AP COTY in KC.

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

That’s why its narrative.

 

BB should have more than the handful he does as the obvious best coach in the NFL but that’s not how it works. It’s solely narrative. 

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Which is what?  Im not challenging  you, but I sincerely am wondering what others think the reason is. I read a lot of "he should be" or "he's better than Lamar" and so on but if Mc D is the same reason as Josh then we can't say it has to do with interceptions and such. Would it be popularity? Are our guys not likable enough to other teams and the media? idk. 

Narrative. McDermott's is "13 seconds" and "not beating the Chiefs in the playoffs."  Josh's lingering narrative is he's a draft bust. The pundit class isn't going to let go of that.

[zow2]

Maybe he can be in the conversation, but i just don't think a coach entering his 8th year or whatever is what Coach of the Year is about.  Just like i don't think Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, etc.. should be coach of the year either.  When i think of COY, it's usually a guy in the early stages of his head coach tenure with a team, that has a great year or takes a lousy club and really improves them.

 

McDermott has two achievements that have yet to be unlocked.  Win the AFC Championship and win the Super Bowl.  Anything short of those are a failure.

 

 

[Goin Breakdown]

23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Narrative. McDermott's is "13 seconds" and "not beating the Chiefs in the playoffs."  Josh's lingering narrative is he's a draft bust. The pundit class isn't going to let go of that.

I get that for sure. I do think there is a portion of it all that has to do with who the NFL wants push as the Face. Little bit like the WWE. 

[GolfandBills]

They don’t give the best coach in the league the award.  It usually goes to either a rookie coach or a new coach who turned a teams record around 

Edited November 20 by GolfandBills

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Coach of the year is all about narrative 

 

If the bills finish 15-2 or 14-3 

 

The narrative for McDermott will be there, it will just depend on other coaches narratives mostly Quinn/Tomlin/Campbell 

[Scott7975]

I feel like, and I could be wrong because I dont pay too much attention to this, that this award usually goes to a newer coach that completely turned a team around from being terrible to being great in like 1 or 2 seasons. McD's best chance was when he broke the drought. Now everyone just expects us to be good so its nothing new. You could make the case that McD did this on a reload year after losing a lot of big names but I don't think that is enough. McD is certainly a top coach in this league though and would get hired the day he got fired if that happened.

[klos63]

Because it's an individual award and we are focused on team goals?

 

I never understood the obsession with individual awards when we all love to preach 'team' to kids starting in sports.

[DCofNC]

Mostly because the losses are embarrassing displays of horrible coaching.  End thread.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 hours ago, Antonio said:

What do the Bills have to achive in order for McD to get it?

- Beat the Lions
-15-2 record

- No. 1 AFC Seed

 

WIll that be enough?

It better.

 

Bills had a ton of turnover this year on both sides of the ball. It’s why there were so many preseason predictions that the Bills would finish behind both the Jets and Dolphins in the division.

 

To smash expectations like that would be a heck of a coaching job. 

 

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

15 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Because it's an individual award and we are focused on team goals?

 

I never understood the obsession with individual awards when we all love to preach 'team' to kids starting in sports.

 

I mean that makes sense for the actual team, not us.

[BigAl2526]

I think voters look for turnaround situations in coach of the year voting.  Brandon Beane will get credit for Buffalo being consistently among the league's elite teams.  It's coaches who get credit for a team going from mediocre to really good or great in the space of a season.  Dan Campbell is another coach who's done a real good job this season.  I doubt he gets coach of the year consideration though, because the climb of the Lions has been too gradual over the last few years.  

[BrooklynBills]

Its a VERY narrative based award and usually goes to:

1. Turnaround Narrative - New coach who gets a previously bad team into the playoffs (Daboll in 22, Stefanski in 20)

2. Adversity Narrative - Established coach who overcomes perceived extreme adversity (Stefanski in 23, Arians in 12)

3. Just the Best Narrative - Established coach whose team just wins a ton of games (Harbaugh in 19, Rivera in 15)

 

If the Bills went 15-2, obviously beating the Lions in the process, AND the Chiefs drop another game, the Bills would have the best record in the NFL and they'd have won 12 straight games. I think that is the only was he gets the award. It would be a very strong case for "Just the Best Narrative"

[nedboy7]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Neither is winning 3 of 4 SBs (in 5 seasons).  Reid has never been AP COTY in KC.

 

Playoff success may not make you a COTY, but spectacular playoff exits will keep you off it for sure.  It's a bias that sticks with voters.

 

McD isn't exactly making lemonade out lemons, despite how some posters go on...

How many wins were you predicting before the season started. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Isn't the award based on regular season only?

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s why its narrative.

 

BB should have more than the handful he does as the obvious best coach in the NFL but that’s not how it works. It’s solely narrative. 

 

After you become a dynasty, winning is expected.  BB wasn't going to keep getting COTY.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson]

I can give you 13 reasons McD should not be coach of the year.

[klos63]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Narrative. McDermott's is "13 seconds" and "not beating the Chiefs in the playoffs."  Josh's lingering narrative is he's a draft bust. The pundit class isn't going to let go of that.

Who says Allen is a draft bust? Seriously. I've never heard that.