Why is McD not being talked about as coach of the year?

[uticaclub]

When you have an MVP QB, you aren’t being considered for COTY.

[Big Turk]

Probably because the Bills are always good

[GASabresIUFan]

No MVP for Allen

No Comeback player of the year for Hamlin

No Coach of the year for McD

 

……because Buffalo!

[TOboy]

McD should definitely be in consideration, and may even win depending on how the rest of the season unfolds. 
 

However, it’s understandable how he’s not getting the national attention yet. As others have said, he’s got Josh and a perennial playoff team. Tomlin’s Steelers were expected to finally miss the playoffs this year. He’s got to be a favourite. Same with O’Connoll. Weren’t we all excited having the Vikings 2nd round pick, expecting it to be an early 2nd rounder?

 

Coach of the year is usually a measure of how your team performs above expectations. McD has certainly done that, but maybe not to the same degree as Tomlin or O’Connell (because the bar was already high even if this was to be a “rebuild year”). 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Antonio said:

There is a lot of talk about JA being MVP ´cause without a lot of weapons he has the Bills sitting at 9-2 and beating the undefeated Taylor Chiefs...

 

I honestly think that McD should really be a Coach of the Year candidate, how can he not?! 
- He has the players buying into the culture.

- Suffering with a lot of injuries, the backups are well prepared to step up. 

- He might not call the defense, but its his system and trust me he is the one making the adjustments at half time with Bobby and Brady and completely dominating the 2nd half of the games. 

- A lot of good players and leaders departure this offseason and he has the Bills 9-2 when everybody thought we were rebuilding, at the end of the day, it is his team.

- Maybe not the best game manager, but you how can you not be pleased with his game decisions. He trusted Bass to kick a very difficult game winner and he delivered... the trust Allen to convert a 4th and 2 against the Chiefs and he delivered.

 

And the list goes on and on...

 

Odds for him to get it in BETUS are +2500... Mike Tomblin is the current favorite with +300 followed by Dan Campbell at +400. Is he really that far away? 

My prediction is the winner of the Lions Bills game ends up with the CoY

[DapperCam]

I think he could get it if the Bills finish with the number 1 seed.

[Antonio]

34 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Tomlin took the Big Balls step of benching his starting QB when the team was 4-2 and had just won. 

Many prognosticators prognosticated that was a move that would end in disaster.

The QB is the most important player on the football team, and Tomlin has 8 wins now with a team QB'd by a first-round pick who washed out in Chicago, and a former all-pro who couldn't get-r-done for 2 years in Denver - on a Denver team that is doing at least as well with a rookie now

At receiver, they have George Pickens and who?  Second round never-was Van Jefferson?  33 year old Cordarelle Patterson?  30 year old "Can now cover Mike" Williams?  

Right or wrong, the perception is that Tomlin is leading that team to over-achieve

 

 

 

Let's all focus on this last part.  Say it louder for the people in the back of the room: "Rarely does COTY win the SB"

 

Its not like he benched Fields for a career backup, he benched him for a very good veteran in Wilson who even was considered the starter before his injury. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, Antonio said:

What do the Bills have to achive in order for McD to get it?

- Beat the Lions
-15-2 record

- No. 1 AFC Seed

 

WIll that be enough?

I think it’d be close then.  I’d say it would also depend how teams like the Lions and Steelers finish up.  If Lions only lose to us, yet finish 15-2, they’ll have done so IN SPITE of Goff being their QB.  In which case I think Campbell gets more credit than McD.  If Steelers win their division, that vastly outpaces expectations AND Tomlin made the controversial move to bring Wilson in as starter over Fields.  In that case, I think Tomlin gets COY over McD too.

 

That said, I personally think this is McD and his coaching staff’s best season yet so far, but he’s up against some considerable foes and has the benefit of Josh as his QB, which works against the narratives.

[Antonio]

15 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

When you have an MVP QB, you aren’t being considered for COTY.

 

You should when the MVP QB never wins it... when you are considered to be an Wild Card team at best... when you lose half your D starters and all your WRs.

MVO QB or not.

Well I will be happy just to get the Lombardy hehehe

 

But it would be nice to give credit where credit is due!

 

Allen should get his first MVP (I will hate to see Lamar with 3)

McD should get COY

Somehow we should have more than 2 All pros on Offense and Defense. 

 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

he would have to at least get the team to the SB.  

 

 

too many view him as the reason the Bills do not advance in the playoffs----that's not going to get you the MVP.

COTY is a regular season award. It’s voted on before the playoffs start. 

[uticaclub]

16 minutes ago, Antonio said:

 

You should when the MVP QB never wins it... when you are considered to be an Wild Card team at best... when you lose half your D starters and all your WRs.

MVO QB or not.

Well I will be happy just to get the Lombardy hehehe

 

But it would be nice to give credit where credit is due!

 

Allen should get his first MVP (I will hate to see Lamar with 3)

McD should get COY

Somehow we should have more than 2 All pros on Offense and Defense. 

 

Every team deals with injuries, and Buffalo isn’t even one of the most injury-stricken teams this year.

 

I have no problem with McDermott winning the award; he deserves recognition. However, it’s not surprising that the Bills are in contention for the top seed. Many didn’t expect Minnesota or Washington to be wildcards, let alone contend for their divisions. Additionally, New York being a larger market means more betting action for the Jets, which is why betting on the Bills as division winners was one of the best bets of the offseason.

Edited November 20 by uticaclub

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

He's in my top 5 candidates yet the job Dan Quinn is doing great with a rookie QB to me deserves the COY. Next is the job guy in Minnesota is doing with Sam Darnold, I also have to give Sean Peyton his due with his rookie QB. Then I look Dan Campbell and Sean McDermott as the next two. 

It's a loaded year.  Right now I think the winner is Mike Tomlin.  

 

After seeing the Jets after Saleh's firing, he may get a vote from one of the NYC media members.  😄

[mjt328]

Coach of the Year usually goes to the HC of a team that was expected to be bad...yet found a way to significantly overachieve.  Usually (but not always) it's also a fairly new coach to the NFL (1-2 years in the league) rather than a longtime established veteran.  I have no idea why it's that way.  Maybe because voters have no other idea on what to look for in a good coach.

 

That's why someone like Bill Belichick could be considered the best HC in the NFL for almost two decades straight, but somehow only won the award three times.  Andy Reid won it once, and it was way back during his second year with the Eagles (over 20 years ago).

 

Based on the normal credentials, I would assume that Dan Quinn (Washington) is among the front-runners.  Kevin O'Connell (Vikings) is another legit candidate.  If Pittsburgh wins the AFC North, Mike Tomlin could buck the trend of younger coaches winning it.  Dan Quinn (Detroit) and Sean McDermott are probably longshots, considering their teams aren't really surprises.

 

 

 

[947]

McD will never win Coach of the Year. It'll always go to the coach who took over a team with a high draft pick & got them to a wild card, or maybe even winning a weak division, not a guy in his 8th season with the same team.

 

He absolutely should be in consideration, but he won't be.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Antonio said:

What do the Bills have to achive in order for McD to get it?

- Beat the Lions
-15-2 record

- No. 1 AFC Seed

 

WIll that be enough?

 

That would probably do it. But McD is not in a great position to win it. It is an award that usually goes to a HC that overachieves with his roster or situation. The Bills have been the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best AFC team for last four seasons. They’ll probably finish the regular season there again. Notably they have had a top 5 QB every one of those seasons and easily so this season.

 

Voters are going to look at McD and the Bills and say “He probably has the best QB in the league (or very close) and his team earned the 2nd (or 3rd) seed in the AFC. As a HC he is doing a good job, but there is nothing that comes close to making me think it is the best HC performance in the league.”

[Mat68]

He is the most underrated coach in the NFL.  His defenses are always very good.  He has been running split safeties for years but Fangio gets credit for the spread around the league.  Broke the drought with a roster projected to be the worst in the NFL.  This season many were saying the window is shutting and he was going to be fired at year’s end.  Maybe he doesn’t pay his agent to generate PR.  Idk it is odd.  The fan base for the most part agrees with the media.  Has the team ready play.  Is more aggressive than most think.   He gets killed for the 13 secs but I don't think there was an alignment that stops Mahomes with 2 time outs. 

[ganesh]

59 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No MVP for Allen

No Comeback player of the year for Hamlin

No Coach of the year for McD

 

……because Buffalo!

And is there any season where Beane has been considered for GM of the Year?  Especially considering where we have been picking the last six years. Again a Buffalo Bias?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Antonio said:

 

I just don´t see it. Why am I missing? He has a very good football team doing what is expected. 

I get Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn, but Tomblin??? Really?!

Is this a real question??? Tomlin is 8-2 with Fields and Wilson, who everyone thought was washed. This is after making the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and Rudolph last year. After not having a losing season ever. People who doubt Tomlin at this point baffle me. 
 

and Sean has, and most always, done a great job since he’s been here. But COY tends to be an expectation award and the bills expectation is to be a playoff team. So while we might be better than most expected, it’s not dramatic enough, especially when you have an amazing QB. 
 

but this is why when some fans wanted him gone in the offseason, he would have a job in a second. He is a great leader and while I think culture is very overrated (your culture is great if you have an awesome qb and it sucks when you have a bad one), this is a very tight team. 

[ganesh]

28 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Coach of the Year usually goes to the HC of a team that was expected to be bad...yet found a way to significantly overachieve.  Usually (but not always) it's also a fairly new coach to the NFL (1-2 years in the league) rather than a longtime established veteran.  I have no idea why it's that way.  Maybe because voters have no other idea on what to look for in a good coach.

 

That's why someone like Bill Belichick could be considered the best HC in the NFL for almost two decades straight, but somehow only won the award three times.  Andy Reid won it once, and it was way back during his second year with the Eagles (over 20 years ago).

Weren't the same pundits, who will be voting the COTY, argued at the beginning of the season that the Bills will be bad (even miss the playoffs as the 3rd best team in the AFC East).  They should not take into account the job McDermott has done to take this 'bad' team and significantly overachieve to be the AFC East division champs once again in regular season.

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Antonio said:

Bills are better than WAS and MIN. And their rosters are much more complete. 

That’s an interesting take.

Edited November 20 by Beast