Boatdrinks Posted Thursday at 12:27 AM Posted Thursday at 12:27 AM Looks like 5 slam dunk first ballot types to me. K don’t make the hall too often , but AV is certainly worthy of it. Quote
JP51 Posted Thursday at 01:58 PM Posted Thursday at 01:58 PM 18 hours ago, pkwwjd said: Yes, but quitting mid-game makes him a complete negative in my mind. To me that's worse than hanging it up before the season starts. You know that is a fair way of looking at it... at least Boldin didnt take up a roster spot... and then bail... either way... I dont look at either of them as Bills.. 13 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Webb was a phenomenal OT for the Dolphins during the Marino days. Very dominant. Had good success against Bruce Smith. I wouldn't be upset if he made it. He was one of the ones I was like... yeah this dude was solid 1 Quote
BuffaloBill Posted Thursday at 02:06 PM Posted Thursday at 02:06 PM 23 hours ago, pkwwjd said: Hardly a Bill ... barely more than Vontae Davis in my opinion. Vontae made more of an impression Quote
JerseyBills Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM Random but thought Tiki Barber should've at least made the final 25 Quote
oldmanfan Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM The Hall should be about players who were the best at what they did. Tasker is arguably the best special teams player ever. How this is not recognized is mystifying. 1 1 1 Quote
JP51 Posted Thursday at 03:22 PM Posted Thursday at 03:22 PM 47 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Random but thought Tiki Barber should've at least made the final 25 I think his indiscretions with prevent that Quote
co_springs_billsfan Posted Thursday at 03:29 PM Posted Thursday at 03:29 PM Seems like a lot of "very good" but not "hall of fame" worthy names... But my opinion doesn't matter so I'll move on with my life Quote
hondo in seattle Posted Thursday at 03:39 PM Posted Thursday at 03:39 PM 18 hours ago, chongli said: There are 31 senior player nominees left after the second round of voting. and Tasker isn't even one: https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2024/10/31-seniors-remain-in-consideration-for-hall’s-class-of-2025-after-second-reduction-vote/ QUARTERBACKS (3): Ken Anderson, Charlie Conerly, Jim Plunkett. RUNNING BACKS (5): Ottis Anderson, Roger Craig, Chuck Foreman, Cecil Isbell, Paul “Tank” Younger. WIDE RECEIVERS (5): Billy "White Shoes” Johnson, Stanley Morgan, Art Powell, Sterling Sharpe, Otis Taylor. OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (7): Ox Emerson, Joe Jacoby, Mike Kenn, Bob Kuechenberg, George Kunz, Jim Tyrer, Al Wistert. DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (2): Jim Marshall, Harvey Martin. LINEBACKERS (5): Carl Banks, Maxie Baughan, Larry Grantham, Clay Matthews Jr., Tommy Nobis. DEFENSIVE BACKS (4): Lester Hayes, Albert Lewis, Eddie Meador, Everson Walls The list will be trimmed down to nine senior semi-finalists this week. I like the senior list more than the modern-era list. Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted Thursday at 06:20 PM Posted Thursday at 06:20 PM Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25) James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25) Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025) Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025) Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25) Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025) Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025) Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Who would you induct? I would induct : Gates Wayne Suggs Vinatieri Wolfork I would not vote Eli in but he will be voted in almost assuredly. Quote
JP51 Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM Posted Thursday at 06:27 PM 6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25) James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25) Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025) Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025) Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25) Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025) Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025) Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Who would you induct? I would induct : Gates Wayne Suggs Vinatieri Wolfork I would not vote Eli in but he will be voted in almost assuredly. I am fine with these picks I like Richmond Webb too not sure that I see Eli as HOF material. But he does have the family history. I thought he was a nice above average QB Quote
Gregg Posted Thursday at 06:28 PM Posted Thursday at 06:28 PM 6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25) James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25) Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025) Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025) Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25) Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025) Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025) Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Who would you induct? I would induct : Gates Wayne Suggs Vinatieri Wolfork I would not vote Eli in but he will be voted in almost assuredly. Eli was a good QB, but HOF bound I don't know about that. However, I will always be grateful to Eli and the Giants for taking down the evil empire twice on the biggest stage. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM Posted Thursday at 06:36 PM Fred Taylor Jared Allen Richmond Webb Steve Smith Torry Holt Gates/ Kuechly are really close Can I ask a serious question, how the heck is wilber Marshall not in the Hof. Completely ridiculous Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted Thursday at 06:40 PM Posted Thursday at 06:40 PM I feel like this is a pretty mediocre class. Reggie Wayne? Anquan Bolden? Give me a break. Might as well induct Peerless Price while we’re at it. 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM There has never been a better example of qbs getting too much credit for winning than Eli. Never a top 10 qb. The definition of slightly above average. The only stat he ever lead the nfl in is ints (3 times!). but because they are a wild card and a ball sticks to his wr’s head, he’s a HOF. One of the most overrated players in nfl history. 1 1 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM Posted Thursday at 06:41 PM 12 minutes ago, Gregg said: Eli was a good QB, but HOF bound I don't know about that. However, I will always be grateful to Eli and the Giants for taking down the evil empire twice on the biggest stage. Two Lombardi's will get him in, but I don't think he was a HOF talent. He just had HOF moments. 3 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted Thursday at 06:44 PM Posted Thursday at 06:44 PM 4 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Random but thought Tiki Barber should've at least made the final 25 His numbers were better than I remember but I think given his personality and he wasn’t on the SB teams, he’s not going to make it. Quote
2003Contenders Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM Eli definitely gets in. He's got 2 SB wins (both against the Pats, one of them against the Pats team that went 16-0 in the regular season). Aside from that, he posted some gaudy career numbers with 366 TDs and over 57K yards passing. That said, you could argue that Eli was actually the 3rd best QB in that 2004 draft class -- even though he was drafted #1 overall. Roethlisberger will get in too when he is eligible in a couple of years -- also with 2 SB wins and even better career numbers. Rivers will be more of a debate, since he never made it to a Super Bowl. However, he wound up with better career numbers that Eli -- 6000+ more yards passing, 60+ more TD passes and 30+ FEWER interceptions -- with roughly the same number of pass attempts. Quote
JerseyBills Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM 21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: His numbers were better than I remember but I think given his personality and he wasn’t on the SB teams, he’s not going to make it. What was up with his personality? He seems like such a square Quote
JerseyBills Posted Thursday at 07:12 PM Posted Thursday at 07:12 PM 45 minutes ago, JP51 said: I am fine with these picks I like Richmond Webb too not sure that I see Eli as HOF material. But he does have the family history. I thought he was a nice above average QB Yanda? Quote
The Jokeman Posted Thursday at 07:15 PM Posted Thursday at 07:15 PM (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Eric Allen, CB — 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Jared Allen, DE — 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Willie Anderson, T — 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2021-25) Anquan Boldin, WR — 2003-09 Arizona Cardinals, 2010-12 Baltimore Ravens, 2013-15 San Francisco 49ers, 2016 Detroit Lions | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Jahri Evans, G — 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Antonio Gates, TE — 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2024-25) James Harrison, LB — 2002-2012, 2014-17 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2013 Cincinnati Bengals, 2017 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 3 – 2023-25) Rodney Harrison, S — 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2021, 2023-25) Torry Holt, WR — 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars | (Times as a Semifinalist: 11 – 2015-2025) Luke Kuechly, LB — 2012-19 Carolina Panthers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Eli Manning, QB — 2004-2019 New York Giants | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Robert Mathis, DE/LB — 2003-2016 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Smith Sr., WR — 2001-2013 Carolina Panthers, 2014-16 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Terrell Suggs, LB/DE — 2003-2018 Baltimore Ravens, 2019 Arizona Cardinals, 2019 Kansas City Chiefs | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Fred Taylor, RB — 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Earl Thomas, DB — 2010-18 Seattle Seahawks, 2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Adam Vinatieri, PK — 1996-2005 New England Patriots, 2006-2019 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Hines Ward, WR — 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2017-2025) Ricky Watters, RB — 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks | (Times as a Semifinalist: 5 – 2020, 2022-25) Reggie Wayne, WR — 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts | (Times as a Semifinalist: 6 – 2020-25) Richmond Webb, T — 1990-2000 Miami Dolphins, 2001-02 Cincinnati Bengals | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Vince Wilfork, DT — 2004-2014 New England Patriots, 2015-16 Houston Texans | (Times as a Semifinalist: 4 – 2022-25) Steve Wisniewski, G — 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders | (Times as a Semifinalist: 2 – 2014, 2025) Darren Woodson, S — 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys | (Times as a Semifinalist: 9 – 2015, 2017, 2019-2025) Marshal Yanda, G/T — 2007-2019 Baltimore Ravens | (Times as a Semifinalist: 1 – 2025) Who would you induct? I would induct : Gates Wayne Suggs Vinatieri Wolfork I would not vote Eli in but he will be voted in almost assuredly. Besides the 2 Super Bowls Eli is 11th all time on passing yards and 11th all time on passing TDs. He deserves to go and honestly feel he was as good if not better than Jim Kelly in his career. Edited Thursday at 07:15 PM by The Jokeman 1 Quote
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