MVP hype for Allen

[julian]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen is going to get screwed out of the MVP because of Lamar having the better stats. Even though the argument we are using for Allen is the same argument Ravens fans used last year when Allen had 15 more TDs. We all know why Allen keeps getting snubbed, but people are too afraid to say it. 

I think he’s winning it, Polly market has him continuing to rise now at 80% and Vegas odds have increased since seasons end, they’ve been correct 20 years straight, but I do agree about why some in the media find it difficult to be honest about Allen’s ridiculous stardom and greatness, although I think Allen has slowly swayed many too his side with these crazy seasons he’s putting up.

 

 Ultimately it will take a Lombardi for the remaining holdouts to acknowledge what the rest of us already know.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Acho said a couple weeks ago Allen is 1st team all pro

 

It's almost 100% that the AP MVP is first team all pro 

I posted this earlier but Lamar got 45 first team all pro votes and 49 MVP votes last year.  Some voters think there's a distinction and lead more to overall stats when it comes to All Pro voting.  This is only relevant if Lamar wins first team All Pro by a small margin.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

6 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

And what is it?

The same reason Warren Moon was hated, but now the roles are reversed

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The same reason Warren Moon was hated, but now the roles are reversed

 

That might have been the argument for last year's MVP.  But he's already won it twice.

[strive_for_five_guy]

19 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The same reason Warren Moon was hated, but now the roles are reversed

Why was Warren Moon hated?  I never knew he was.

[buffblue]

10 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Why was Warren Moon hated?  I never knew he was.

I don't think he was hated but Moon was dismissed some because of playing in a dome on a run and shoot team

[Punch]

19 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Why was Warren Moon hated?  I never knew he was.

 

7 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I don't think he was hated but Moon was dismissed some because of playing in a dome on a run and shoot team

Isn't it true he chose the CFL out of college because the NFL wanted him to play CB instead of QB? I dont know about him being hated, but he was definitely underestimated due to the (then very prevalent) stigma against black QBs. Lamar faced this to a degree (most infamously Bill Polian), but not to the extent Moon did.

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, Punch said:

 

Isn't it true he chose the CFL out of college because the NFL wanted him to play CB instead of QB? I dont know about him being hated, but he was definitely underestimated due to the (then very prevalent) stigma against black QBs. Lamar faced this to a degree (most infamously Bill Polian), but not to the extent Moon did.

Definite truth here. My response was just based on his performance on the field once he became an established QB with the Oilers

[Punch]

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Definite truth here. My response was just based on his performance on the field once he became an established QB with the Oilers

I definitely remember the outright CONTEMPT old school NFL analysts had for the run and shoot--- there was utter shock the Oilers didn't even roster a single Tight End.

[Kelly to Allen]

44 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I don't think he was hated but Moon was dismissed some because of playing in a dome on a run and shoot team

 

Kelly was better than Moon. At least imo. Both Hof QBs tho

[Scott7975]

 

[CoudyBills]

15 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The same reason Warren Moon was hated, but now the roles are reversed

Affirmative 

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

21 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

America has spoken... we love you snoop dog but we've become bored of you. Please move out of the limelight 🙏 

[AllenMania]

For All pro, Allen only got 18 first place votes while Lamar got 30. That finishes it. 

[DapperCam]

Wow, Lamar might actually have more MVPs than playoff wins. I kind of think the media hates Buffalo.

[GolfandBills]

4 minutes ago, AllenMania said:

For All pro, Allen only got 18 first place votes while Lamar got 30. That finishes it. 

Yep.  Lamar will be MVP.  Hard to argue against it though 

[DCOrange]

Yeah, think we can pretty much lock Lamar in now.

[stlbills13]

I'm pretty sure they just handed the Bills the Super Bowl. Allen is going to be something greater than we've ever seen

[mjt328]

3 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Yep.  Lamar will be MVP.  Hard to argue against it though 

 

It's not hard to argue against it.

People have been making rock solid arguments why it should be Josh Allen for well over a month now.

 

When Josh Allen has the better stats, they give it to Jackson for other stuff (team record, big games, supporting cast).

When Josh Allen has the other stuff, they give it to Jackson because of stats.

 

[Bill51390]

Yup, definitely seems like Allen isn’t getting it now. Him not having to play the last week and us securing the division early while Allen also sitting several 4th quarters hurt him. Jackson was fresh in the mind of voters because he had to keep playing. People just look at the stats now instead of actually watching film. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Bill51390